truss

[ravenrover]

In simple terms, being PM is not a job you approach with the attitude "Well I'll give it a go, listen to no-one and insist that I'm right, and if I make a massive f**k up of it and seriously damage the country, I'll not worry about it too much."

As long as in F@#king it up I make my mates a few millions in doing so

[BillyStubbsTears]

Billy

No it's absolutely not about political disagreements. I agree with you, and practically everyone else on here, on the politics of this. My last post was speaking in general terms.

This is about how decent we are as human beings.

It's about whether we have the maturity to forgive people for their errors and their human failings, and forgive them for the consequences such errors and failings have wrought on others, in order to find compassion and sympathy for them in their own sufferings.

Branton

Genuine question.  Where do you draw the line?

If Putin cries himself to sleep every night, does your heart go out to him?

I ask because I've had very close contact with someone whose actions deeply f**ked up a number of people and who had a breakdown when his lies and deceit were smoked out. I have never found it in myself to forgive or find compassion for that person, not least because they never faced up to what they had done. I DID spend many years picking up the pieces that he had smashed and looking after the people he had f**ked over. But I never lost a moment's sleep over him.

Does that make me a nasty person?

[Ldr]

Yes

[tyke1962]

And so it begins.

Just watched Crispin Blunt on the Andrew Neil show call for her to go. Now two more MP's have also gone public saying that's it. Matter of days now I should think.

Latest polling if there was a GE tomorrow .

Labour 411 seats
Tories 137

Gone by Tuesday in my opinion , if the markets are still volatile at the close of business tomorrow evening she's gone before the 6pm News .

[Ldr]

We can only hope

[SydneyRover]

I wonder if Coffey has any antidepressants in her bag?

[wilts rover]

And so it begins.

Just watched Crispin Blunt on the Andrew Neil show call for her to go. Now two more MP's have also gone public saying that's it. Matter of days now I should think.

Latest polling if there was a GE tomorrow .

Labour 411 seats
Tories 137

Gone by Tuesday in my opinion , if the markets are still volatile at the close of business tomorrow evening she's gone before the 6pm News .

The only question is who will replace her?

If they can agree on a candidate to take over quickly - yes I make you right. If they can't, then it will be a few more days until they work out how/who they are going to replace her with.

That's all that is keeping her in place now imho.

[tyke1962]

And so it begins.

Just watched Crispin Blunt on the Andrew Neil show call for her to go. Now two more MP's have also gone public saying that's it. Matter of days now I should think.

Latest polling if there was a GE tomorrow .

Labour 411 seats
Tories 137

Gone by Tuesday in my opinion , if the markets are still volatile at the close of business tomorrow evening she's gone before the 6pm News .

The only question is who will replace her?

If they can agree on a candidate to take over quickly - yes I make you right. If they can't, then it will be a few more days until they work out how/who they are going to replace her with.

That's all that is keeping her in place now imho.

There's talk of Mourdant and Sunak but Mourdant had a disaster when campaigning for the Tory leadership , the Johnson mob hate Sunak for sticking the knife in Johnson's back .

Ben Wallace possibly .

No matter what 3 PM's in a single parliamentary term is electoral disaster .

If this is a  coronation because God forbid they can't go down another leadership contest the pressure will increase for a GE .

I know you disagree with my take on that but I think it's inevitable Wilts .

[tyke1962]

I wonder if Coffey has any antidepressants in her bag?

Aye she's on her way to Chequers to give em Truss .

[SydneyRover]

Here's a few clues as to why the UK is where it is .........

''The floundering of GB News and Talk TV reveals a dark truth about the mainstream media''

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/oct/16/gb-news-talk-tv-mainstream-media-channels

[tyke1962]

According to a poll conducted two weeks ago the Tories who will lose their seats include , Rees - Mogg , Boris Johnson , Coffey , Jeremy Hunt and Simon Clarke .

[wilts rover]

And so it begins.

Just watched Crispin Blunt on the Andrew Neil show call for her to go. Now two more MP's have also gone public saying that's it. Matter of days now I should think.

Latest polling if there was a GE tomorrow .

Labour 411 seats
Tories 137

Gone by Tuesday in my opinion , if the markets are still volatile at the close of business tomorrow evening she's gone before the 6pm News .

The only question is who will replace her?

If they can agree on a candidate to take over quickly - yes I make you right. If they can't, then it will be a few more days until they work out how/who they are going to replace her with.

That's all that is keeping her in place now imho.

There's talk of Mourdant and Sunak but Mourdant had a disaster when campaigning for the Tory leadership , the Johnson mob hate Sunak for sticking the knife in Johnson's back .

Ben Wallace possibly .

No matter what 3 PM's in a single parliamentary term is electoral disaster .

If this is a  coronation because God forbid they can't go down another leadership contest the pressure will increase for a GE .

I know you disagree with my take on that but I think it's inevitable Wilts .

I hope you are right tyke but I just can't see it. I can't see the coule of hundred Tory MP's predicited to be kicked out at a GE voting to loose £160k + expenses over the next two years. The majority of Tories have always put their own interests above the interests of the country - I just can't see that changing now.

Johnson will want another go and now Hunt is defacto PM he will want it too - to put on your list.

[wilts rover]

Well

[mugnapper]

Hunt is to make a statement in the HoC at 11am today.
Will Truss turn up? I doubt it.
I would not be surprised if she ‘gets’ Covid to give herself a bit of space and time.

[Filo]

No Minister wants to do the broadcast rounds this morning on behalf of Thick Lizzy

https://twitter.com/adambienkov/status/1581895937336967169?s=61&t=pYEEoGnSj7WCpnhSXMvTfQ

[BillyStubbsTears]

Well, now we know why Kwarteng refused to publish the OBR report on his Budget.

Apparently it would have said that the deficit was about £70bn after Kwarteng's tax cuts.

He and Truss must have been utterly insane to go for £50bn of tax cuts in those circumstances. No bloody wonder the gilts market went into meltdown.

Minford is behind all of this, the absolute nutcase. He should be arrested on sight if he ever looks like influencing another politician. The man is a menace to the country.

[mugnapper]

Good to see that one thing the Tories aren't reversing is the abolishment of the cap on Banker's Bonuses.
Typical Tory policy, look after the rich and f@ck the poor.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

Fundamentally Truss should resign there's no way she can go forward saying that everything she pledged is impossible.  Crazy.

[mugnapper]

Jesus. How will Truss have the nerve to even show up in Parliament after Hunt's briefing???

[Filo]

Energy bills support scheme is only until April now, not the two years it was supposed to run

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

Energy bills support scheme is only until April now, not the two years it was supposed to run

I mean that's not surprising. It's a significanct % of that previous package.  But the energy market will be somewhat different by then also.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Energy bills support scheme is only until April now, not the two years it was supposed to run

Kuenssberg will be having a tizzy. Her attack line on Labour recently has been " You're only protecting energy prices for consumers for 6 months. Nah, nah, boo."

[BillyStubbsTears]

But seriously, what an absolute f**k up this last month has been.

[mugnapper]

I can't stop thinking about Truss.
Surely she must have some self respect and just resign?
Or does the sense of self preservation overtake that?

[normal rules]

PINO.
Prime minister In Name Only.

[Filo]

She has two options, resign in disgrace or call a general election

[SydneyRover]

Chris Mason BBC

''"If polling suggests an alternative leader will lose fewer seats than she will, then she's had it," one MP not prone to exaggeration or shouting their mouth off tells me.

"Not many of us buy the idea that another leadership change is the worst case scenario. Nothing can be worse than where we are already," they said, adding "you can't sack your closest ally for carrying out your orders and call it pragmatism."

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-63285226

[mugnapper]

PINO.
Prime minister In Name Only.

I thought this was a call to start drinking NR!!

[Colin C No.3]

‘Corbynites’ have much to answer for.

They gave Bozo a 60 seat majority & what followed was inevitable.

The longer Truss is in No.10 the quicker that 60 seat majority evaporates & turns in Labours favour.

Just keep playing with a ‘straight bat’ Kier & it’s curtains for the Tories come the GE.

[mugnapper]

We all saw in the 'Press Conference' after she sacked Kamikwasi, that she's on the edge mentally.
How can she be looking forward to PMQ's when she'll have to answer 6 questions from Starmer alone.
She has lost all credibility as a politician.
I wonder if Shell would give her her old job back? She's saved them billions by not implementing a Windfall tax on their excess profits.