truss

[Glyn_Wigley]

Put her on a plane to Rwanda.

Sod that, make her walk.

[normal rules]

The Home Secretary resigns under bizarre circumstances. It’s almost as if she created her own demise by sending that email. Almost like she wanted an excuse to quit.
like rats leaving a sinking ship.
Labour won’t win the next GE. They don’t need to. They are being given the right to govern on a plate.

[ravenrover]

Tory whip saying the vote on fracking is now a vote of confidence in the Govt. Time for the Trussouters to show their colours. Is this leading to  a GE?

[grayx]

Let me give you an example of what is wrong with the tax system in this country. Let's say I am a small business person. I have my own company. Its turnover isn't great, but I get by.

Now. I am the sole shareholder. But I've just realised that my wife, who doesn't work, is a tremendously useful asset. If I give her one share she is then automatically entitled to a thousand quid a year completely tax free as dividend on her one share.  I'm  entitled to that too of course. Thank you George Osborne. Dividends are paid out of post tax profit so doing this will not change anything in the Company accounts. But if I make my wife a director of my little company, nominally of course,  we can withdraw £12,500 a year not only tax free to her by using her tax free allowance, but also avoid the company paying 20% corporation tax on that £12,500 a year too. So I've  just avoided £15 grand a year of tax. But that's not the end of it! My 2 or or 3 or 20 children, as soon they become 16 can all be appointed as directors too! Lovely, lovely money! Not only no income tax but no corporation tax too!

These "perks' have been introduced over the years  by Conservative governments. I view them as bribes. Bribes to encourage those most likely to vote Conservative to continue doing so. The silly sods on PAYE can pay for stuff we plutocrats don't want and don't need like the NHS and mental health care. And just to make sure we plutocrats can continue to enjoy our wealth, we'll organise periodic scares about those horrible, feckless benefit scroungers.

Middle class tax evasión is fifty times the size of benefit scrounging.....

BobG

Its things like this that infuriate me but unfortunately very few know about these loopholes.
Those that do are happy to take advantage of it.

[Glyn_Wigley]

Tory whip saying the vote on fracking is now a vote of confidence in the Govt. Time for the Trussouters to show their colours. Is this leading to  a GE?

I presume they're saying that because the Commons is virtually empty and the chance of any organised backbench rebellion just about nil.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Tory whip saying the vote on fracking is now a vote of confidence in the Govt. Time for the Trussouters to show their colours. Is this leading to  a GE?

I presume they're saying that because the Commons is virtually empty and the chance of any organised backbench rebellion just about nil.

They have called a 3 line whip on the vote so Tory MPs have to vote for the Govt or risk losing the whip.

[River Don]

Suella has found a way to walk whilst firing a couple parting shots. Everyday there's a new turn at the circus.

[ChrisBx]

A few Tory rebels saying they won't back the government on fracking tonight. Others saying they won't risk losing the whip as their letter of no confidence would therefore be void.

Either way, it's just a matter of time.

[Sprotyrover]

 Most of the Shale Gas is in the South Downs AONB and Tory heart lands!

[normal rules]

Labour supporters up and down the country will be foaming at the mouth no doubt at the demise of the Conservative party.
But this goes much deeper than inter party politics in my opinion.
Very concerning times for this country.
Because Labour when they get to power will inherit this shit fest. And I have little or no confidence they will do any different with it. Starmer offers no alternative. No solution. No effective opposition. He will inherit this turd show and carry on kicking the can down the road, just like the conservatives have.
The only difference being there will be strikes up and down the country the likes of which we haven’t seen since the General strike of 1926.
If we think government is in a mess now. We ain’t seen nothing yet.

[River Don]

If Labour do take charge soon, they inherit a real horror story and there is a danger they could become equally tarnished by it.

Starmer I think, would be wise to level with the British people, explain how difficult the situation we find ourselves in really is. Not promise much but offer blood, sweat and tears to try and improve matters.

[Donnywolf]

Replaced by the bastion of honesty that is Grant Shapps-Green-Fox

I've mentioned the little weasel enough on here already . Short story a proven LIAR and also stupid to boot

[normal rules]

Replaced by the bastion of honesty that is Grant Shapps-Green-Fox

I've mentioned the little weasel enough on here already . Short story a proven LIAR and also stupid to boot

We can look forward to the pillar of integrity that is the shadow chancellor too.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwi4nPHy7ez6AhWQM8AKHdRgCjEQFnoECAsQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.spectator.co.uk%2Farticle%2Frachel-reeves-rapped-over-interests&usg=AOvVaw2VRQFzUUiFMky5OADOqRQI

[Glyn_Wigley]

Now they're saying the vote isn't a confidence vote. Do they know they're going to lose..?

[IDM]

Observing Truss and the government at the moment is like watching blackadder, minus any comedy.  At least Johnson provided something to laugh at, even if he was oblivious to it.

I expect we will hear what alternative Labour would offer, once we get a GE called..  whether or not people think Labour could do any better, the current lot are imploding on a daily even hourly basis..

[Glyn_Wigley]

The Sun saying the Chief Whip has resigned!!

[BillyStubbsTears]

Strange thing was, though the Tories were absolutely unelectable in 1997, Kenneth Clarke had done an excellent job as Chancellor (following on from three previous disasters in Howe, Lawson and Lamont) and Labour inherited a pretty good situation.

They certainly ain't going to inherit that in 2024. As you say RD, it would be sensible of them to play an expectation management role before they inherit the mess. It's going to take half a decade of good management to even start to get the ship righted.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Replaced by the bastion of honesty that is Grant Shapps-Green-Fox

I've mentioned the little weasel enough on here already . Short story a proven LIAR and also stupid to boot

We can look forward to the pillar of integrity that is the shadow chancellor too.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwi4nPHy7ez6AhWQM8AKHdRgCjEQFnoECAsQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.spectator.co.uk%2Farticle%2Frachel-reeves-rapped-over-interests&usg=AOvVaw2VRQFzUUiFMky5OADOqRQI

On the one hand you have a politician missing a deadline for reporting a donation by a few days.

On the other you have the head of a pyramid scheme and get rich quick scam who threated to destroy a constituent for daring to (correctly) point out that he was lying to Parliament.

Bothsides, eh?

[Glyn_Wigley]

Replaced by the bastion of honesty that is Grant Shapps-Green-Fox

I've mentioned the little weasel enough on here already . Short story a proven LIAR and also stupid to boot

We can look forward to the pillar of integrity that is the shadow chancellor too.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwi4nPHy7ez6AhWQM8AKHdRgCjEQFnoECAsQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.spectator.co.uk%2Farticle%2Frachel-reeves-rapped-over-interests&usg=AOvVaw2VRQFzUUiFMky5OADOqRQI

On the one hand you have a politician missing a deadline for reporting a donation by a few days.

On the other you have the head of a pyramid scheme and get rich quick scam who threated to destroy a constituent for daring to (correctly) point out that he was lying to Parliament.

Bothsides, eh?

And of course the fact that one of them apologised for their error and accepted their punishment whilst the other did not apologise or even accept any wrongdoing at all is completely irrelevant.

[Glyn_Wigley]

The Sun saying the Chief Whip has resigned!!

Reports of MPs being bullied and actually manhandled into the Government lobby might explain this resignation, if true.

Then again, if the Chief Whip wasn't privy to the decision either to make this a confidence vote and then suddenly not a confidence vote any more might be an alternative reason.

[Glyn_Wigley]

Now there are reports that the Deputy Chief Whip has resigned too.

[River Don]

They used to say it so often it was a cliche that the Tory party was a broadchurch. Nowadays it's like two parties, the Wets and the Libertarian wing. It seems to be coming apart at the seams.

[Glyn_Wigley]

Backbencher Charles Walker has just been interviewed, he didn't mince his words about his fury about the damage he sees being done to the Conservative party ('a shambles and a disgrace'). I've never seen an MP attack his own colleagues like this. Well worth watching if you can find it, although I expect it to get repeated across BBC News.

[River Don]

Labour MPs reported screaming and shouting and Tory MPs being dragged in to vote with the Government.

Speaking in the chamber afterwards, former minister Chris Bryant said: 'I would urge you to launch an investigation into the scenes outside the entrance to the no lobby earlier. As you know, members are expected to be able to vote without fear or favour and the behaviour code which is agreed by the whole of the House says there shall never be bullying or harassment.

...it's becoming like Greece.

[BillyStubbsTears]

What a f**king obscene shambles.

This guy called it right last night.

https://twitter.com/t0nyyates/status/1582375866205556736?s=20&t=62ZebFIIbZhwHCCBvF4gJg

[BobG]

5 Chancellors in 30 months. 3 Chancellors in 2 months and 1 week. Briefings putting knives in the backs of their own colleagues. Leaders repeatedly hiding from Parliament. Government that deliberately avoids the scrutiny mechanisms. Government that didn't even tell the Bank of England the content of its 'mini budget'!

Even Mrs Thatcher will be turning in her grave.

BobG

[Glyn_Wigley]

One MP has tweeted that he saw Deputy PM Coffey drag an MP into the government lobby.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

So many fascinating elements to it.  Truss won't survive, she was never the right choice (nor was Sunak btw).

Boris had his faults massively but this is another level.

[Glyn_Wigley]

5 Chancellors in 30 months. 3 Chancellors in 2 months and 1 week. Briefings putting knives in backs. Leaders repeatedly hiding from Parliament. Government that deliberately avoids the scrutiny mechanisms. Government that didn't even tell the Bank of England the content of its 'mini budget'!

Even Mrs Thatcher will be turning in her grave.

BobG

Thatcher? They're making Eden look like a paragon of governance.

[IDM]

One MP has tweeted that he saw Deputy PM Coffey drag an MP into the government lobby.

Doesn’t that constitute an assault?