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[SydneyRover]

This from Poly Toynbee.

The lexicon is lost for synonyms for mayhem, havoc, chaos and pandemonium. The front pages of all the newspapers and their websites that led the way to this abyss have used them all up. Those who backed Liz Truss, those who engineered Brexit, those forever calling for cuts to the public realm – the Mail even whooping with glee at her catastrophic, market-killing budget – “At last a true Tory budget!” – shouted as loud for her demise, without a heartbeat’s pause for shame or remorse.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/oct/20/truss-gone-tory-kwarteng


Read it, all those that proposed that the left are a cabal of Britain haters this is all on you.

[ChrisBx]

I suspect the Boris backers are simply the fastest out of the blocks. I'm not convinced he will reach the 100 mark.

If he does come back, it will make the 6 week period under Truss look like a period of stability. His return would be fatal for this parliament and potentially the Tory party.

[wilts rover]

For all the Tory shenanigans and getting it big time from a vast number of Tory voters in the audience on tonight's Question Time .

Jess Philips still managed to wind me up the most with her nauseating accent and the ability to speak at a 100 words per second but still not actually say owt .

Awful woman .

Jess Philips wound you up because of her accent (not because of anything she actually said). Oh!!

Down with working class people with accents in Parliament.

[wilts rover]

I suspect the Boris backers are simply the fastest out of the blocks. I'm not convinced he will reach the 100 mark.

If he does come back, it will make the 6 week period under Truss look like a period of stability. His return would be fatal for this parliament and potentially the Tory party.

If people are true to what they say, then appointing Johnson will lead to a GE as enough Tory MP's will either defect or vote against him in a confidence vote to force one.

And when have Tory MP's ever lied to us.

[River Don]

There's a poll out today.

After crashing the economy.

After massively raising mortgage payments.

After announcing the most batshit far right budget in half a century, then ditching it all three weeks later.

After sacking a Chancellor for agreeing with the PM.

After seeing a Home Secretary storm out 6 weeks after starting.

After the absolute shit show of basic competence yesterday.

After the Deputy Chief Whip ran through Parliament last night shouting "f**k this, I've f**king had enough."

After all that, 22% of voters still say they would have voted Tory if there'd been an election today.

I heard one of them in the radio tonight. She said "Well ah think they shud a given 'er a bit more tahm".

How do these people operate in the world? How do they not poke their eyes out with a fork every time they try to eat?

There was a staunch Tory voter on the radio yesterday afternoon. A pensioner in her 80s living in Surrey, she was worried about not being able to afford to heat her house. She was worried she might have to move in with her son and family. She was worried about how expensive the shopping bill was. But she still thought voting Tory would sort it out for her and was hoping Sunak would get in.

The bloke on 5 live tried to probe a bit into why she always voted Tory and what I got from that was, she didn't really know.

[wilts rover]

Well at least Johnson can't take the Tory's polling much lower:

NEW: Westminster Voting Intention poll (20 Oct):

[Donnywolf]

Yes RD ... I heard something similar a few days ago

Small business man (lifelong Tory voter) playing hell about the Truss mess and then said " we need someone to sort this out OR Labour will get back in and we will be right back to square one"

I'd have fallen off my chair if I hadn't been going over ST George's Bridge

[River Don]

The Mail seems to be swinging behind Johnson, though not overtly promoting him like it did Truss.

The Mail is the in house newspaper of the Tory membership. Again they have the final say over who gets the nod in an online poll on Friday. Once again we are in the hands of an unelected bunch of nobodies.

There are a lot of Johnson backers amongst that lot, many of them hate Sunak who has been branded a snake and with a gentle push from the Daily Mail, I think there is a good chance we'll be back to square one.

[mugnapper]

One thing I’m certain of is that Johnson won’t run unless he is certain of winning.
A true Narcissist wouldn’t risk being a loser. (Remember, that he ‘won’ his vote of No Confidence, even though it led to his resignation).

[i_ateallthepies]

I suspect the Boris backers are simply the fastest out of the blocks. I'm not convinced he will reach the 100 mark.

If he does come back, it will make the 6 week period under Truss look like a period of stability. His return would be fatal for this parliament and potentially the Tory party.

If people are true to what they say, then appointing Johnson will lead to a GE as enough Tory MP's will either defect or vote against him in a confidence vote to force one.

And when have Tory MP's ever lied to us.

Indeed, Wilts.  and from a man with a sodding Barnsley accent   

[mugnapper]

The most moronic of oxymorons is the ‘Working Class Tory’.
My dad was one. Daily Mail reader. Believer in the Class system. Foreigners should go back to their own country. That kind of thing.

[River Don]

One thing I’m certain of is that Johnson won’t run unless he is certain of winning.
A true Narcissist wouldn’t risk being a loser. (Remember, that he ‘won’ his vote of No Confidence, even though it led to his resignation).

I think it will be decided this weekend, if he gets over the 100 MP threshold to get to the ballot on Monday, then I think it becomes a genuine prospect. They claim he has the backing of 50 already.

[mugnapper]

Going back to Truss.
Apparently for being PM, you get an ‘allowance’ of £116,000 pa = FOR LIFE.
Will she have the gall to take it?

[ravenrover]

Worth remembering it’s only 4 months since 148 Tory MPs voted against Johnson in a Confidence vote.
How can any of them vote for him now and retain any credibility?

These  the same 148  who voted in support of The Greasy Piglet and his pals in the No Confidence vote? Mmmmm!

[mugnapper]

Worth remembering it’s only 4 months since 148 Tory MPs voted against Johnson in a Confidence vote.
How can any of them vote for him now and retain any credibility?

These  the same 148  who voted in support of The Greasy Piglet and his pals in the No Confidence vote? Mmmmm!

No. The 148 voted against him. 211 voted for him.

[Donnywolf]

Going back to Truss.
Apparently for being PM, you get an ‘allowance’ of £116,000 pa = FOR LIFE.
Will she have the gall to take it?

Gotcha ... she will say using a term from another Thread

You betcha .... Using one I just made up.

All in it for themselves so she is sure to.

[ravenrover]

So there are 2 different 148s ?those who voted to support him in the Parliamentary VONC and those that were against him remaining as PM??
They lost all credibility then

[Bentley Bullet]

The most moronic of oxymorons is the ‘Working Class Tory’.

More moronic than a Champagne socialist?

[River Don]

One thing I’m certain of is that Johnson won’t run unless he is certain of winning.
A true Narcissist wouldn’t risk being a loser. (Remember, that he ‘won’ his vote of No Confidence, even though it led to his resignation).

I think it will be decided this weekend, if he gets over the 100 MP threshold to get to the ballot on Monday, then I think it becomes a genuine prospect. They claim he has the backing of 50 already.

Just listening to Nicky Campbell's phone in. They had a couple of Tory members on. They are passionately supportive of Johnson and vehemently anti Sunak. Andrew Bridgen the Tory MP was in despair, pointing out Johnsons failures and how Rish-ak called everything right about Truss.

If this election goes to the final round, it will be a farce. The Tory MPs will vote vote for Sunak and the membership will ignore that and go for Johnson.

It won't be back to square one. We will have Johnson in place but weakened without the full backing of his MPs.

All this at a time when we have an energy crisis causing the biggest financial crisis we have known.

As an outsider I think they need to get a unity candidate in before allowing Johnson to return. I think the person best suited to that as Mordaunt but at the moment she is barely mentioned.

[Donnywolf]

One thing I’m certain of is that Johnson won’t run unless he is certain of winning.
A true Narcissist wouldn’t risk being a loser. (Remember, that he ‘won’ his vote of No Confidence, even though it led to his resignation).

I think it will be decided this weekend, if he gets over the 100 MP threshold to get to the ballot on Monday, then I think it becomes a genuine prospect. They claim he has the backing of 50 already.

.... and he never resigned either did he ?

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

I do wonder if Johnson could do it again, it would be remarkable.  But, in a choice between a re-energised Johnson and Labour's Starmer a lot more would vote Tory than we'd typically think.  I wouldn't write it off.

I still believe there should be an election and let the people choose.

[mugnapper]

So there are 2 different 148s ?those who voted to support him in the Parliamentary VONC and those that were against him remaining as PM??
They lost all credibility then

No Raven. In the VONC, 211 voted for him, 148 wanted him out. So whilst he 'won' the vote, the fact 148 ie 40% of his MPs voted against him firced him out.

[SydneyRover]

Going back to Truss.
Apparently for being PM, you get an ‘allowance’ of £116,000 pa = FOR LIFE.
Will she have the gall to take it?

But will it have the triple lock?

[BillyStubbsTears]

Fascinating how we're in the middle of a reboot of Johnson.

The lying, the incompetence, the criminality, the corruption, the ignoring of sexual abuse, the handling of COVID.

None of them happened.

There's a concerted effort going on from his supporters to re-write history. It was all a Remainer/Woke/Lefty plot to undermine him.

Fascinating to watch as a neutral. Terrifying indictment of the robustness of our democracy if it works.

[mugnapper]

The most moronic of oxymorons is the ‘Working Class Tory’.

More moronic than a Champagne socialist?

Ooh look  BB commenting on a political post. It's been a while. I wonder why lol?
I think you are using the Daily Mail interpretation of the word 'Socialist'.
In a Socialist society, ALL people would be able to afford to drink what they liked (and put their Central Heating on) as the obscene wealth of the top couple of % would be redistributed to help the 98% below them.

[mugnapper]

Going back to Truss.
Apparently for being PM, you get an ‘allowance’ of £116,000 pa = FOR LIFE.
Will she have the gall to take it?

But will it have the triple lock?

As it's called an 'allowance', does that mean it's untaxed?

[SydneyRover]

Going back to Truss.
Apparently for being PM, you get an ‘allowance’ of £116,000 pa = FOR LIFE.
Will she have the gall to take it?

But will it have the triple lock?

As it's called an 'allowance', does that mean it's untaxed?

Whatever it is it would be cheap at twice the price

[belton rover]

The most moronic of oxymorons is the ‘Working Class Tory’.

More moronic than a Champagne socialist?

Ooh look  BB commenting on a political post. It's been a while. I wonder why lol?
I think you are using the Daily Mail interpretation of the word 'Socialist'.
In a Socialist society, ALL people would be able to afford to drink what they liked (and put their Central Heating on) as the obscene wealth of the top couple of % would be redistributed to help the 98% below them.

And you really don’t think that some socialists would be more equal than others?

[mugnapper]

The most moronic of oxymorons is the ‘Working Class Tory’.

More moronic than a Champagne socialist?

Ooh look  BB commenting on a political post. It's been a while. I wonder why lol?
I think you are using the Daily Mail interpretation of the word 'Socialist'.
In a Socialist society, ALL people would be able to afford to drink what they liked (and put their Central Heating on) as the obscene wealth of the top couple of % would be redistributed to help the 98% below them.

And you really don’t think that some socialists would be more equal than others?

I don't think you understand 'Socialism'.

[River Don]

Rees-Mogg has emerged from his gothic dungeon and sent a guttersnipe with a message announcing his supporting for Mr Johnson.