Labour top brass getting down to business

[danumdon]

https://twitter.com/AngelaRayner/status/1598966575566036992?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1598966575566036992%7Ctwgr%5E504ab9afed6990a0c989eab33b68036b7a58c970%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.telegraph.co.uk%2Fpolitics%2F2022%2F12%2F03%2Fwatch-angela-rayner-hair-charity-dj-battle%2F

I'd vote for her, i think.

[danumdon]

Ermm, ok maybe not.

[roverstillidie91]

Labour don't convince me that I would vote for them in all honesty, I think a lot of voters will feel like that

[SydneyRover]

except for those polled recently

[grayx]

Labour don't convince me that I would vote for them in all honesty, I think a lot of voters will feel like that

Well i for one will vote for anyone in order to get rid of this current corrupt shower.
As labour are most likely to do this, they will get my vote.

[Bristol Red Rover]

Rayner is one of a few Labour MPs that has star quality. Absolutely slayed Johnson when up against him, not seen her directly up against the head boy yet but would be a laugh.

[danumdon]

Rayner is one of a few Labour MPs that has star quality. Absolutely slayed Johnson when up against him, not seen her directly up against the head boy yet but would be a laugh.

See this is where we as a country take the wrong path, all the time.

I like my politicians to be what it says on the tin, i want competence and know how, i want honesty and integrity, i want my politicians to be in it because they want to make a difference and they have the good of the nation at heart first and foremost.

I don't want a performing seal, i don't want liars, cheats and corrupt back stabbers, i don't want somebody who wants to game the system and is in just purely for their own gain and aggrandisement, i don't want someone with "a personality who's a good old boy or girl with "star quality" i don't want weasel words and plaudits, i want positive action.

I don't want much, i just want some fu**er to do their job and to do it well.

And i'm prepared to pay them more handsomely for their efforts.

Do i want too much?

[turnbull for england]

Someone will put this better than me, but I don't think you want too much at all, but expecting it might be too much.

We seem to have gone that far down a personality rabbit hole , one photo eating a bacon buttie makes you unelectable. I think we've had decent people on power on both sides, maybe not at right  time to succeed for them and they were dropped , so how does it attract such a person and retain through ranks for them become a prime minister we can be proud of, even they are of a different political persuasion

[BillyStubbsTears]

I've said before that in 2009, that well known lefty rag The Times had a journalist embedded with No10 as Brown was trying to help the world avoid Great Depression 2. She reported on the overwhelming stress and workload that Brown was getting through, the gravity of the decisions he had to make on an hourly basis, the way he would cajole,beseech or threaten other global leaders to do the right thing, then the way he'd be lambasted in the Press for having a face like a smacked arse.

Her closing line was something to the effect of Brown being a massive, serious political force, but that it was 100% certain he would lose the next election. She said that, in an era when society wanted "characters" to amuse them, maybe we as a country didn't deserve to have someone like Brown as PM.

Just look at the shit show that the subsequent 4 have taken us through.

1) Cameron who breezed into No10 with his Droight du Seigneur attitude that he was the stuff that elite rulers are made of, and if he had to f**k the country through pushing a disastrous economic policy to wrong-foot Brown then  tough titty. Then he catastrophically miscalculated on the Brexit vote, never seeming to realise that his own personal unpopularity would help lose the vote.
2) May, who immediately put party before country by interpreting the wafer thin Brexit vote as demanding the hardest of Brexits.
3) Johnson who schemed to bring both the previous two down, was never in it for anything other than his own gratification, and finally convinced even his closest supporters (BB excepted) that he was a moral vacuum.
4) Truss. Just...where the f**k to even start?

That Times reporter was right. We lost the right to have someone as serious a figure as Brown to lead us.

[turnbull for england]

Told you it would be put better, out of interest and based my limited knowledge, the other recent one I'd put with Brown was Major who seemed a decent bloke  but without star appeal

[scawsby steve]

The biggest tragedy in politics was the day John Smith passed away.

IMO he would have been the greatest Labour Prime Minister since Clem Atlee.

[tyke1962]

I've said before that in 2009, that well known lefty rag The Times had a journalist embedded with No10 as Brown was trying to help the world avoid Great Depression 2. She reported on the overwhelming stress and workload that Brown was getting through, the gravity of the decisions he had to make on an hourly basis, the way he would cajole,beseech or threaten other global leaders to do the right thing, then the way he'd be lambasted in the Press for having a face like a smacked arse.

Her closing line was something to the effect of Brown being a massive, serious political force, but that it was 100% certain he would lose the next election. She said that, in an era when society wanted "characters" to amuse them, maybe we as a country didn't deserve to have someone like Brown as PM.

Just look at the shit show that the subsequent 4 have taken us through.

1) Cameron who breezed into No10 with his Droight du Seigneur attitude that he was the stuff that elite rulers are made of, and if he had to f**k the country through pushing a disastrous economic policy to wrong-foot Brown then  tough titty. Then he catastrophically miscalculated on the Brexit vote, never seeming to realise that his own personal unpopularity would help lose the vote.
2) May, who immediately put party before country by interpreting the wafer thin Brexit vote as demanding the hardest of Brexits.
3) Johnson who schemed to bring both the previous two down, was never in it for anything other than his own gratification, and finally convinced even his closest supporters (BB excepted) that he was a moral vacuum.
4) Truss. Just...where the f**k to even start?

That Times reporter was right. We lost the right to have someone as serious a figure as Brown to lead us.

After adopting a deregulated approach to household credit and the financial sector at least Brown cleaned up New Labour's part in the mess I'll give you that .

Although most people would say prevention is better than cure especially when you follow an ideologically driven neoliberal government of 18 years standing .

The 2010 election result confirmed that having a preventive jab is better than a mouthful of nasty medicine .

[Bentley Bullet]

I've said before that in 2009, that well known lefty rag The Times had a journalist embedded with No10 as Brown was trying to help the world avoid Great Depression 2. She reported on the overwhelming stress and workload that Brown was getting through, the gravity of the decisions he had to make on an hourly basis, the way he would cajole,beseech or threaten other global leaders to do the right thing, then the way he'd be lambasted in the Press for having a face like a smacked arse.

Her closing line was something to the effect of Brown being a massive, serious political force, but that it was 100% certain he would lose the next election. She said that, in an era when society wanted "characters" to amuse them, maybe we as a country didn't deserve to have someone like Brown as PM.

Just look at the shit show that the subsequent 4 have taken us through.

1) Cameron who breezed into No10 with his Droight du Seigneur attitude that he was the stuff that elite rulers are made of, and if he had to f**k the country through pushing a disastrous economic policy to wrong-foot Brown then  tough titty. Then he catastrophically miscalculated on the Brexit vote, never seeming to realise that his own personal unpopularity would help lose the vote.
2) May, who immediately put party before country by interpreting the wafer thin Brexit vote as demanding the hardest of Brexits.
3) Johnson who schemed to bring both the previous two down, was never in it for anything other than his own gratification, and finally convinced even his closest supporters (BB excepted) that he was a moral vacuum.
4) Truss. Just...where the f**k to even start?

That Times reporter was right. We lost the right to have someone as serious a figure as Brown to lead us.

The last time I voted for a Tory owd lad was Tony Blair in the 90s.

The only time I might have voted for Boris Johnson was if the only alternative was Keir Starmer.

[Bristol Red Rover]

Rayner is one of a few Labour MPs that has star quality. Absolutely slayed Johnson when up against him, not seen her directly up against the head boy yet but would be a laugh.

See this is where we as a country take the wrong path, all the time.

I like my politicians to be what it says on the tin, i want competence and know how, i want honesty and integrity, i want my politicians to be in it because they want to make a difference and they have the good of the nation at heart first and foremost.

I don't want a performing seal, i don't want liars, cheats and corrupt back stabbers, i don't want somebody who wants to game the system and is in just purely for their own gain and aggrandisement, i don't want someone with "a personality who's a good old boy or girl with "star quality" i don't want weasel words and plaudits, i want positive action.

I don't want much, i just want some fu**er to do their job and to do it well.

And i'm prepared to pay them more handsomely for their efforts.

Do i want too much?

Totally agree about someone being able to do their job, and I think Rayner has what it takes. The media would try to murder her - and that's the problem, always has been the problem - the media dictate the game. Holding people to account is essential, including highlighting character fails, even if in a characature way, but lying and convincing the public to believe those lies, even half lies, is criminal. We don't have democracy any more than if a child is given a knife it becomes a surgeon.

[ravenrover]

She's a heck of a dancer, what a mover in all ways

[danumdon]

Its noticeable that no one has virtually anything good to say about any of the politicians of today. Raynor, i just don't see it, first impression she gives is a gob on a stick, not many words later she's cemented that belief that most will already have. Its laudable that she turned her own personal circumstances around but would she have it in her to do the same for the state, ?

John Smith is a good call but its noted that you're talking about someone from nigh on 30 years ago. He talked the talk and looked like he was going to walk the walk, tragically that's as far as it went.

Gordon Brown for me made his biggest mistake when he enabled Blair to attain god like status, against his better judgment, he should of seen him off much earlier then he finally did. When you look at Browns background you just don't see this kind of politician come to the fore in this day and age, you could say his background and education produced someone of his stature. Some could possibly make a case for Major but i could never agree, just something sly, sneaky and seedy about the bloke.

I think that the way we educate "the leaders of tomorrow" has changed out of all recognition from the backgrounds of people like Smith, Brown and Thatcher. That being the case its debatable we will never have their like again coming into politics for the right reasons

Some of the current intake just look, sound and act completely wrong, full of group-think, indoctrinated and spreadsheet led, they don't have an original thought or vision in their makeup, they have to conform to their parties current policy line and would never stick their heads about the parapet to really tell you what they think, that's if they think at all. Its like we have lost a couple of generations of "proper leaders" for people who are more concerned about what their followers think and spout about them on social media instead of standing up for what THEY believe in and leading.

The future of politics in this country looks lost in their greedy, grabby hands, it will be very interesting to see what the future brings.

[Colin C No.3]

The Labour Party needs a Mick Lynch sat on the front bench.

[Glyn_Wigley]

I've said before that in 2009, that well known lefty rag The Times had a journalist embedded with No10 as Brown was trying to help the world avoid Great Depression 2. She reported on the overwhelming stress and workload that Brown was getting through, the gravity of the decisions he had to make on an hourly basis, the way he would cajole,beseech or threaten other global leaders to do the right thing, then the way he'd be lambasted in the Press for having a face like a smacked arse.

Her closing line was something to the effect of Brown being a massive, serious political force, but that it was 100% certain he would lose the next election. She said that, in an era when society wanted "characters" to amuse them, maybe we as a country didn't deserve to have someone like Brown as PM.

Just look at the shit show that the subsequent 4 have taken us through.

1) Cameron who breezed into No10 with his Droight du Seigneur attitude that he was the stuff that elite rulers are made of, and if he had to f**k the country through pushing a disastrous economic policy to wrong-foot Brown then  tough titty. Then he catastrophically miscalculated on the Brexit vote, never seeming to realise that his own personal unpopularity would help lose the vote.
2) May, who immediately put party before country by interpreting the wafer thin Brexit vote as demanding the hardest of Brexits.
3) Johnson who schemed to bring both the previous two down, was never in it for anything other than his own gratification, and finally convinced even his closest supporters (BB excepted) that he was a moral vacuum.
4) Truss. Just...where the f**k to even start?

That Times reporter was right. We lost the right to have someone as serious a figure as Brown to lead us.

The last time I voted for a Tory owd lad was Tony Blair in the 90s.

The only time I might have voted for Boris Johnson was if the only alternative was Keir Starmer.

That's an interesting way of saying you'd have voted for Corbyn over Johnson at the last election. I can't remember you saying it at the time though.

[roverstillidie91]

The Labour Party needs a Mick Lynch sat on the front bench.

Even though I'm an RMT member Labour have yet to convince me I would vote  for them, come across as far-right and the same as Tories in my view.

[Filo]

The Labour Party needs a Mick Lynch sat on the front bench.

Even though I'm an RMT member Labour have yet to convince me I would vote  for them, come across as far-right and the same as Tories in my view.

Labour far right??

I can’t get my breath!

[roverstillidie91]

The Labour Party needs a Mick Lynch sat on the front bench.

Even though I'm an RMT member Labour have yet to convince me I would vote  for them, come across as far-right and the same as Tories in my view.

Labour far right??

I can’t get my breath!

How do you justify that they are not?

[Ldr]

The Labour Party needs a Mick Lynch sat on the front bench.

Even though I'm an RMT member Labour have yet to convince me I would vote  for them, come across as far-right and the same as Tories in my view.

Labour far right??

I can’t get my breath!

Youth of today eh………,

[roverstillidie91]

The Labour Party needs a Mick Lynch sat on the front bench.

Even though I'm an RMT member Labour have yet to convince me I would vote  for them, come across as far-right and the same as Tories in my view.

Labour far right??

I can’t get my breath!

Youth of today eh………,

Are you a labour supporter?

[danumdon]

The Labour Party needs a Mick Lynch sat on the front bench.

Even though I'm an RMT member Labour have yet to convince me I would vote  for them, come across as far-right and the same as Tories in my view.

Labour far right??

I can’t get my breath!

Youth of today eh………,

Are you a labour supporter?

When you get the leader of one of the biggest trade unions asking for assurances after that speech from Starmer that we are not to have Austerity Mk2 then you have to ask yourself.

Where are the Labour party going with this?

[roverstillidie91]

The Labour Party needs a Mick Lynch sat on the front bench.

Even though I'm an RMT member Labour have yet to convince me I would vote  for them, come across as far-right and the same as Tories in my view.

Labour far right??

I can’t get my breath!

Youth of today eh………,

Are you a labour supporter?

When you get the leader of one of the biggest trade unions asking for assurances after that speech from Starmer that we are not to have Austerity Mk2 then you have to ask yourself.

Where are the Labour party going with this?

Nobody knows what he stands for, clearly needs a new leader and direction. Otherwise Tories will end up getting re-elected again

[wilts rover]

People saying Labour shouldn't be funded by the unions wondering why Labour isn't

The Labour Party needs a Mick Lynch sat on the front bench.

Even though I'm an RMT member Labour have yet to convince me I would vote  for them, come across as far-right and the same as Tories in my view.

Labour far right??

I can’t get my breath!

Youth of today eh………,

Are you a labour supporter?

When you get the leader of one of the biggest trade unions asking for assurances after that speech from Starmer that we are not to have Austerity Mk2 then you have to ask yourself.

Where are the Labour party going with this?

Nobody knows what he stands for, clearly needs a new leader and direction. Otherwise Tories will end up getting re-elected again

Trade union members would rather vote for the party that is proposing to bring in anti-trade union law than the one that isn't, shock.

[wilts rover]

By 2pm today, January 5th, the CEOs of the FTSE 100 companies had been paid more than the average worker earns in a year.

At 3pm the government announced legislation to potentially allow those CEOs to sack workers who take lawful action to win a fair deal at work.

Vote Tory.

https://twitter.com/DrJoGrady/status/1611049453250568192

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

I have read a bit of Starmers speech. It's very centrist imo. That appeals to someone like me, it's realistic and what the majority probably want to see.

Most sensible people don't want to see mass public sector pay rises and subsequent tax rises they want to see something proportionate.  Labour are rightly not committing to things they realistically can't produce.

[drfchound]

The Labour Party needs a Mick Lynch sat on the front bench.

Even though I'm an RMT member Labour have yet to convince me I would vote  for them, come across as far-right and the same as Tories in my view.

Labour far right??

I can’t get my breath!

Youth of today eh………,

Are you a labour supporter?

When you get the leader of one of the biggest trade unions asking for assurances after that speech from Starmer that we are not to have Austerity Mk2 then you have to ask yourself.

Where are the Labour party going with this?

Nobody knows what he stands for, clearly needs a new leader and direction. Otherwise Tories will end up getting re-elected again

I have been saying for years that no one knows what Starmer stands for.

[normal rules]

The use of the “take back control” phrase is interesting. Savvy politics to win back brexit voters or just pathetic desperation?
He supports further private sector Co operation too. That will please hard left voters. But then, like most politicians, plenty of his mates will be CEOs/MDs etc.

Vote labour.
Same shit.
Different context.