Are industrial strikes losing the Labour Party votes

[selby]

  As a report says that the lead of the Labour Party has been cut from 30 points to 11 points in a survey.
  What now stabber?

[Colemans Left Hook]

Pray England don't win the world cup (@gain  )

[BillyStubbsTears]

"A report..."?

Let me guess...

[Bentley Bullet]

https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/rishi-sunak-claws-back-2019-tory-voters-cutting-labour-lead-from-30-to-11-points-poll-shows-2021134

[BillyStubbsTears]

Yes.

That's a single poll.

You should never, ever trust a single poll. They are comparing the very highest Labour lead to a single, outlier low figure.

The real picture, taking the average of all recent polls into account, says that Labour briefly hit a lead of 31-32% at the depth of the Truss catastrophe, and is now settled down to a lead of 21-22%.

The lead under Truss was never going to last. Even the Tories weren't going to keep a PM as utterly f**king disastrous as Truss. But the replacement by Sunak has still left the Tories behind by historically large amounts.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_election_after_2019_(LOESS).svg

It is totally wrong to say that Sunak has brought the actual lead down from 30% to 11%. Unless you are trying to misrepresente the polls.

[SydneyRover]

Objective lies?

''Rishi Sunak has been condemned for using “disingenuous” figures after he repeated a claim that meeting union demands for public sector pay awards would cost every household £1,000 extra a year''

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/dec/09/rishi-sunak-condemned-repeating-figure-pounds-1000-cost-of-public-sector-pay-demands

[wilts rover]

Majority of public support NHS strikes:

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/survey-results/daily/2022/12/07/9c7fb/1

ad oppose Sunak's proposed legislation to ban NHS strikes:

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/survey-results/daily/2022/12/08/b3d1a/2

and we can't afford to give nurses a decent pay rise but his bank surcharge tax cut will give bankers massive bonuses rises and cost the taxpayer £7.3 BILLION.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/rishi-sunaks-bank-tax-giveaway-26562814?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar

Vote Tory

[i_ateallthepies]

The right to withdraw your labour should be an inviolable right of the working person.

[Bentley Bullet]

Yes.

That's a single poll.

You should never, ever trust a single poll. They are comparing the very highest Labour lead to a single, outlier low figure.

The real picture, taking the average of all recent polls into account, says that Labour briefly hit a lead of 31-32% at the depth of the Truss catastrophe, and is now settled down to a lead of 21-22%.

The lead under Truss was never going to last. Even the Tories weren't going to keep a PM as utterly f**king disastrous as Truss. But the replacement by Sunak has still left the Tories behind by historically large amounts.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_election_after_2019_(LOESS).svg

It is totally wrong to say that Sunak has brought the actual lead down from 30% to 11%. Unless you are trying to misrepresente the polls.

Just saying it was a poll, not a report.

 Like it or not the Tories will probably reduce the gap because Labour support had increased only through the public's despair of the government, and not because they are an exciting alternative.

[idler]

They might not be an exciting alternative but they don’t carry the stench of corruption and cronyism that the Tory party currently do.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Once again.

Oppositions never, ever win elections. Governments lose them.

[Bentley Bullet]

They might not be an exciting alternative but they don’t carry the stench of corruption and cronyism that the Tory party currently do.

Power corrupts. The Tories have been in power more than Labour.

[SydneyRover]

Finally something truthful

[Filo]

Had a conversation with a customer in the taxi yesterday about the Rail Strikes, he was slagging Train Drivers off saying that they average £50k a year and they are going on strike. I politely put him right on that bit of Tory propaganda and told him that train drivers  are ASLEF, it’s the RMT that are striking, he was totally oblivious to that

[tyke1962]

I'm not sure why anyone on strike today would give the Labour Party a single thought when they vote for continued industrial action .

All that concerns them is keeping a roof over their head and feeding their families , Keith's election prospects don't even come in to it .

If Labour come to power they are likely to be facing the very same wave of industrial action unless  things change considerably under their watch .

Trade Unions are starting to get back in the game and becoming relevant again after a near 40 year absence covering both Tory and Labour governments .

However they need to tread very carefully in my opinion because this country is still inhabited with a good number of the public who resent people standing up for themselves and not knowing their place .

[Bentley Bullet]

Had a conversation with a customer in the taxi yesterday about the Rail Strikes, he was slagging Train Drivers off saying that they average £50k a year and they are going on strike. I politely put him right on that bit of Tory propaganda and told him that train drivers  are ASLEF, it’s the RMT that are striking, he was totally oblivious to that

ASLEF IS proposing to go on strike.

[Filo]

Had a conversation with a customer in the taxi yesterday about the Rail Strikes, he was slagging Train Drivers off saying that they average £50k a year and they are going on strike. I politely put him right on that bit of Tory propaganda and told him that train drivers  are ASLEF, it’s the RMT that are striking, he was totally oblivious to that

ASLEF IS proposing to go on strike.

Which means at this moment in time they are not on strike, the conversation was about the chap not understanding the present dispute

[Bentley Bullet]

Had a conversation with a customer in the taxi yesterday about the Rail Strikes, he was slagging Train Drivers off saying that they average £50k a year and they are going on strike. I politely put him right on that bit of Tory propaganda and told him that train drivers  are ASLEF, it’s the RMT that are striking, he was totally oblivious to that

ASLEF IS proposing to go on strike.

Which means at this moment in time they are not on strike, the conversation was about the chap not understanding the present dispute

That reads in future tense.

[SydneyRover]

Good move from the health unions, it will show whether the government are genuine ..... or not

''health unions offer to pause NHS strikes if government join pay talks''

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/dec/10/exclusive-health-unions-offer-to-pause-nhs-strikes-if-government-join-pay-talks

[ravenrover]

I see LK let Notso get away with saying the dispute is between NHS and Nurses nothing to do with Govt. Remind me, who awards a pay settlement on the NHS?

[Bentley Bullet]

Didn't the NHS Pay Review Body (NHSPRB) provide independent advice to the  Government, who accepted their recommendations?

[danumdon]

Had a conversation with a customer in the taxi yesterday about the Rail Strikes, he was slagging Train Drivers off saying that they average £50k a year and they are going on strike. I politely put him right on that bit of Tory propaganda and told him that train drivers  are ASLEF, it’s the RMT that are striking, he was totally oblivious to that

ASLEF IS proposing to go on strike.

Which means at this moment in time they are not on strike, the conversation was about the chap not understanding the present dispute

That reads in future tense.

Could be quite a game changer if they manage to drag Aslef kicking and screaming fully into this dispute. The TOC's and FOC's want to renegotiate the drivers terms and conditions to force them to include the weekend as part of the working week(at the moment many have weekend working as voluntary and done as overtime or rest day working.) Its not that they are totally against this move, would you be prepared to give up your weekends off and be asked to work them for no extra pay ?. most new terms these days try to get drivers to do so but it will only happen across the board if their is some sort of supplement for doing so.

Our drivers get a supplement and additional pay if they work un rostered weekends, i don't consider that to be unreasonable as any reasonable mind would.

[albie]

There is a strange assumption behind the opening post.
Why would Labour lose support over trade unions trying to protect their members from cost of living attacks by the government?

That is their job, and the role of Labour is to back them in the HoC and the media.
The failure of Starmer to support working class interests is far more damaging to the Labour Party.

It is not clear to many whose side Labour is on....unfortunately, I think I know!

[ncRover]

Could it be a perceived steadying of the ship from Sunak after Truss’ chaos?

[Hounslowrover]

BB they turned it down in 2014

[ravenrover]

Didn't the NHS Pay Review Body (NHSPRB) provide independent advice to the  Government, who accepted their recommendations?

So who awards the pay offer to the NHS?

[Bentley Bullet]

Didn't the NHS Pay Review Body (NHSPRB) provide independent advice to the  Government, who accepted their recommendations?

So who awards the pay offer to the NHS?

I imagine the government does on the recommendation of the NHSPRB.

[Hounslowrover]

But the government can turn down the independent recommendations.

[Bentley Bullet]

But the government can turn down the independent recommendations.

Well, yes. I imagine recommendation is just that, and not binding.

[SydneyRover]

But the government can turn down the independent recommendations.

Well, yes. I imagine recommendation is just that, and not binding.

Nurses and medical staff have just gone through what must have been one of the worst periods of their careers with many hundreds of their colleagues dying through lack of safe working conditions and massive under staffing they have been offered a paltry 3% which under the present economic management means they are going 100mph backwards, what would you BB advise them to do, stick or twist?