Faulkner and Olowu

[steve@dcfd]

Both have facial injuries Bobby broken Jaw both seen surgeons this week . So both out now

https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/doncaster-rovers-youngster-bobby-faulkner-suffers-broken-jaw-on-loan-at-worksop-town-3963981

[Canadian Rover]

Both have facial injuries Bobby broken Jaw both seen surgeons this week . So both out now

https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/doncaster-rovers-youngster-bobby-faulkner-suffers-broken-jaw-on-loan-at-worksop-town-3963981

Horrendous idea sending Bobby on loan. Farcical.

[Cramby10]

It seems we stumble from one bad decision to another.

[Bezza]

Can't see how playing against Hemsworth will help them develop,

[DonnyBazR0ver]

Both have facial injuries Bobby broken Jaw both seen surgeons this week . So both out now

https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/doncaster-rovers-youngster-bobby-faulkner-suffers-broken-jaw-on-loan-at-worksop-town-3963981

Horrendous idea sending Bobby on loan. Farcical.

He suffers a horrible injury and that's the best you come up with?

As has happened with Olowu and many other players before him, injuries can happen in training and anywhere.

Extremely unfortunate for them both so let's wish them a speedy recovery.

[mushRTID]

I said sending him out on loan over the busy Christmas period was f**king stupid.

Double whammy JO injured and we can’t recall Bobby. It’s absolutely mental. Seriously wtf

[Northants Nomad]

Both have facial injuries Bobby broken Jaw both seen surgeons this week . So both out now

https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/doncaster-rovers-youngster-bobby-faulkner-suffers-broken-jaw-on-loan-at-worksop-town-3963981

Horrendous idea sending Bobby on loan. Farcical.

Using that logic, are you saying we should never send anyone on loan anywhere? In fact, we shouldn't play any of our own players because they might get injured?

Or are you saying if we'd loaned him to a club in a higher league and he'd broken his jaw at such a higher club, that would have been OK?

There's no way the poor lad breaking his jaw could be used as a reason why he should not have been sent out on loan.

Very strange post that, Canadian.

[roversdude]

Hope they are both fully fit as soon as possible
Mush I don’t get what difference it makes in being able to recall Bobby as he’s out anyway

[streathamdave]

Bobby was never going to learn a great deal at Worksop. Yes injuries can happen anywhere, but they are easier to take If they happen at the club or even in training, than a loan many think he shouldn't have been placed with. Broken jaw sounds awful, but at least it's something he will be able to come back from.

[Colemans Left Hook]

Both have facial injuries Bobby broken Jaw both seen surgeons this week . So both out now

https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/doncaster-rovers-youngster-bobby-faulkner-suffers-broken-jaw-on-loan-at-worksop-town-3963981

Horrendous idea sending Bobby on loan. Farcical.

Using that logic, are you saying we should never send anyone on loan anywhere? In fact, we shouldn't play any of our own players because they might get injured?

Or are you saying if we'd loaned him to a club in a higher league and he'd broken his jaw at such a higher club, that would have been OK?

There's no way the poor lad breaking his jaw could be used as a reason why he should not have been sent out on loan.

Very strange post that, Canadian.

think this bloke should cool down ( hang on a minute it's supposed to cold in Canada) and connect his brain  hopefully it hasn't been cryogenically modified by the cold weather "yet"

5 minutes ago before I loggged on here (and saw  that ridiculous post) , I decided to go and view some items on Friday 13th January 2023.

The question is should I risk going out aLOAN or should i take someone with me, or perhaps not risk it at all and stay in the house all day

is liiving even  worth the risk 

[Lesonthewest]

I said sending him out on loan over the busy Christmas period was f**king stupid.

Double whammy JO injured and we can’t recall Bobby. It’s absolutely mental. Seriously wtf

Bang on, you really couldn't make it up. Someone give me one good practical reason why playing against Hemsworth would help develop him. Absolute joke.

[LincolnDonny]

i have written a long time ago about our players just going to nonleague teams

god knows how that brings them on to a standard suitable to play in our 1st team?


what next?.send our goalkeeper to ALDI so they get practice lifting eitems and going from left to right in 1 action?/////

then shouting out the price at the end over the noise from the other tills .....that to help getting them shouting to our defenders?

[Canadian Rover]

Not entirely sure why personal attacks are becoming the norm on this forum and that the moderators deem it acceptable.

The post was I made was in relation to the fact that many of us had the foresight to question the logic in sending a first team squad player (although many of us thought he should have been in the starting eleven) away on loan at the busiest time of the year to play for Worksop. Now the lad is badly injured; yes it's unlucky but we shouldn't have had him in that team or match. If we had a proper development plan for our most promising young player in years it shouldn't have involved a last minute loan out to Worksop at Christmas time.

Alas you can go back to laying insults again because that's apparently what this forum is now.

[The Beast]

Some absolute hysteria on here, Bobby is a young man who needs game time to develop so he's been sent out on loan. Playing at Worksop is quite a decent level, where do people expect him to go locally??? You can't just send a player to where you want, the club has got to know about him and want him, too many Football Manager players on here. He's got injured it's unfortunate.

[Cramby10]

Shocking decision to send him out full stop. Simple really.

[The Beast]

i have written a long time ago about our players just going to nonleague teams

god knows how that brings them on to a standard suitable to play in our 1st team?


what next?.send our goalkeeper to ALDI so they get practice lifting eitems and going from left to right in 1 action?/////

then shouting out the price at the end over the noise from the other tills .....that to help getting them shouting to our defenders?

Non-league is the only place realistically our players are going to go on loan, we're not in the Championship any more, if they're not deemed as ready for league 2 it's the only option.

[Cramby10]

i have written a long time ago about our players just going to nonleague teams

god knows how that brings them on to a standard suitable to play in our 1st team?


what next?.send our goalkeeper to ALDI so they get practice lifting eitems and going from left to right in 1 action?/////

then shouting out the price at the end over the noise from the other tills .....that to help getting them shouting to our defenders?

Non-league is the only place realistically our players are going to go on loan, we're not in the Championship any more, if they're not deemed as ready for league 2 it's the only option.

if the benchmark for being ready for league 2 is RSW then Faulkner is more than good enough. The January transfer window terrifies me if this is their judgement of players.

[GazLaz]

Worksop was possibly a stop gap loan till January when better options were on the table. Nothing wrong with sending him elsewhere to keep him getting games. Unfortunate accident that could have happened at whatever level he was playing at.

[knockers]

“January transfer window terrifies you”
I’d say you’re being a bit of a drama queen!

[Cramby10]

“January transfer window terrifies you”
I’d say you’re being a bit of a drama queen!

would you? That’s nice. We’ve had 3 shockers in a row and this chap seems no better. If you’re happy with that then good on ya. You’re easily pleased. Merry Christmas

[The Beast]

i have written a long time ago about our players just going to nonleague teams

god knows how that brings them on to a standard suitable to play in our 1st team?


what next?.send our goalkeeper to ALDI so they get practice lifting eitems and going from left to right in 1 action?/////

then shouting out the price at the end over the noise from the other tills .....that to help getting them shouting to our defenders?

Non-league is the only place realistically our players are going to go on loan, we're not in the Championship any more, if they're not deemed as ready for league 2 it's the only option.

if the benchmark for being ready for league 2 is RSW then Faulkner is more than good enough. The January transfer window terrifies me if this is their judgement of players.

I don't particularly rate RSW but Bobby isn't League ready at the moment IMHO, he's not very accomplished on the ball yet and he still needs a lot of work on his positioning.
Hindsight is an amazing thing but I think it's a bit low to bash the club with this. The Olowu one is a massive blow as for me he's our best centre half.

[selby]

  Faulkner is just as accomplished with his feet as the rest, and has made significantly less boobs than the others in games, has had only one dicky game and has had it held over his head ever since.
  The others are hardly Fred Astair and the constant bringing his one poor game up all the time and the consequent statements by the management pointing out a perceived weakness is tantamount to the worst piece of marketing ploy since the East German Government trying to sell the Trabant car in the west.
  That is a very well done to them from me, immediately undercutting any future interest and value that was growing with every match he was playing in the fools.

[ForsolongaRover]

You could conclude that where Schofield goes badly wrong is that he  focuses entirely on coaching rather than managing.

You need to look at the man as well as the player in making judgments on how to best develop him. I obviuosly don’t know Bobby Faulkner, but he sounds far more grown up as an 18 year old than most and this will have a bearing on his capability to play and learn as compared with the typical young man of his age. The comparison with Alick might be a bit of a stretch ability-wise, but it illustrates the point.

[scawsby steve]

You could conclude that where Schofield goes badly wrong is that he  focuses entirely on coaching rather than managing.

You need to look at the man as well as the player in making judgments on how to best develop him. I obviuosly don’t know Bobby Faulkner, but he sounds far more grown up as an 18 year old than most and this will have a bearing on his capability to play and learn as compared with the typical young man of his age. The comparison with Alick might be a bit of a stretch ability-wise, but it illustrates the point.

A bit of a stretch? Come on, FR, Alick was playing in the old Second Division when he was only 15. A couple of years later, some of the top pundits in the game were tipping him to go on to become one of the best players in the world.

There's never been a young player at Rovers ever since with a fraction of the potential Alick had.

[LincolnDonny]

i have written a long time ago about our players just going to nonleague teams

god knows how that brings them on to a standard suitable to play in our 1st team?


what next?.send our goalkeeper to ALDI so they get practice lifting eitems and going from left to right in 1 action?/////

then shouting out the price at the end over the noise from the other tills .....that to help getting them shouting to our defenders?

Non-league is the only place realistically our players are going to go on loan, we're not in the Championship any more, if they're not deemed as ready for league 2 it's the only option.

if the benchmark for being ready for league 2 is RSW then Faulkner is more than good enough. The January transfer window terrifies me if this is their judgement of players.

I don't particularly rate RSW but Bobby isn't League ready at the moment IMHO, he's not very accomplished on the ball yet and he still needs a lot of work on his positioning.
Hindsight is an amazing thing but I think it's a bit low to bash the club with this. The Olowu one is a massive blow as for me he's our best centre half.

how far down the pyramid is ok for our players then.?

not the next few ......crikey down to Northern Premier League Division One East ?

what are they going to learn there?

[Alan Southstand]

Unless and until we re install an u21 set-up, then I’m afraid, the young lads at youth level hardly stand a chance. The powers decided we could no longer fund it, so it is what it is.

I seriously question, then, do we need an u18 side?

Faulkner is a good prospect, no doubt, but IF he’s not getting games, then a loan means he’s getting competitive games against men. As for those ridiculing Worksop - have we already forgotten what Kings Lynn did to our first team?

[Chris Black come back]

Also worth pointing out that Herbie Kane, Ethan Galbraith, Matt Smith v1 and v2 all from very top tier EPL sides, all got loaned out. There is only so much a lad can learn from u18 or u20 football. They all need to have adult first team experience. We’ve got the lad from Liverpool now. Some of their lot probably asking what’s he going to learn at a mid table League Two side?

[The Beast]

Unless and until we re install an u21 set-up, then I’m afraid, the young lads at youth level hardly stand a chance. The powers decided we could no longer fund it, so it is what it is.

I seriously question, then, do we need an u18 side?

Faulkner is a good prospect, no doubt, but IF he’s not getting games, then a loan means he’s getting competitive games against men. As for those ridiculing Worksop - have we already forgotten what Kings Lynn did to our first team?

Exactly, I think many would be surprised by how decent Worksop are, it makes sense to have links to local semi pro sides. It's very unfortunate what has happened  to both lads but I think it's rather a cheap criticism of the club.

[Canadian Rover]

Whilst I agree it's good to have links to Worksop and other semi pro squads sending 1st team/squad  ready players there isn't or shouldn't be a viable loan option, even if young.

[DonnyBazR0ver]

Our young players have gone out on loan to non league clubs for years. The current loan system still makes it possible to loan for any given short or long period that's mutually beneficial rather than a min of half a season in the EPL.

There can't be any doubt who's in the best position to assess Faulkners development which also included his opportunity to train at Man U. Copps explained this in the press not long ago yet, some folk seem to know better. Some also seem to cloud their judgement by bringing their negative assessment of Williams into the equation.

Even if we had an u23 development side, it wouldn't provide the competitive environment in mens football that young players need.

Everyone's entitled to their opinions but clearly, those who see the lad everyday and know him much better believe this loan would be much better than benchwarming at best for the first team.

The tackle that's resulted in his injury shows his naivety and whilst he has the heart of a lion there's still plenty he needs to develop in his game.