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mushRTID

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Re: Schofield
« Reply #30 on December 26, 2022, 06:15:59 pm by mushRTID »
We can and should question his team selections though. Rowe at centre back (madness), Knoyle (one of the very best attacking right backs in the league) at Centre Back, Faulkner (our best performing centre half this season - dropped from the squad and sent out on loan) Miller always playing without support. Always playing with 5 at the back is ultra negative and his interviews offer nothing but excuses for the players and doesn't hold them to a standard in public.

A terrible appointment thus far. DS needs to hold himself accountable too. He can always call Lee Carsley for advice I suppose.

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ForsolongaRover

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« Reply #31 on December 26, 2022, 07:39:37 pm by ForsolongaRover »
Schofield says: "I don’t think we implemented our game plan today, part of that was credit to Tranmere in terms of their structure and formation.“

This implies a doubt about whether the plan was put into operation, yet it was blindingly obvious that whatever plan he had was an utter failure.

Unless he recognises the true extent of his shortcomings how can he learn from this?


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« Reply #32 on December 26, 2022, 08:03:22 pm by Branton Red »
We can and should question his team selections though. Rowe at centre back (madness), Knoyle (one of the very best attacking right backs in the league) at Centre Back, Faulkner (our best performing centre half this season - dropped from the squad and sent out on loan) Miller always playing without support. Always playing with 5 at the back is ultra negative and his interviews offer nothing but excuses for the players and doesn't hold them to a standard in public.

A terrible appointment thus far. DS needs to hold himself accountable too. He can always call Lee Carsley for advice I suppose.

Top post.

Of course DS is not at fault for the poor bunch of players we've got who he inherited; he isn't primarily responsible either for Rovers' continuing demise - that's the fault of those continually appointing inexperienced managers.

He's young, inexperienced, unproven and has been provided no experienced support from within the club

However he is making fundamental errors that need pointing out and are contributing significantly to Rovers poor performances - I agree with all the above.

When the opposition fans are openly mocking your tactical approach (ironic cheering as Rovers passed the ball slowly between keeper and centre back today) then you know you're in serious trouble!

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« Reply #33 on December 26, 2022, 08:08:38 pm by SydneyRover »
Then really the person pointing out the fundamental errors should be manager I would think, not a dig at you Branton, a manager should really be able to see fundamental errors.

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« Reply #34 on December 26, 2022, 08:12:32 pm by andyst79 »
Schofield says: "I don’t think we implemented our game plan today, part of that was credit to Tranmere in terms of their structure and formation.“

This implies a doubt about whether the plan was put into operation, yet it was blindingly obvious that whatever plan he had was an utter failure.

Unless he recognises the true extent of his shortcomings how can he learn from this?


The whole idea of playing out from the back is that when the opponent presses the back line , with a few neat passes and a bit of one touch football you can expose them at the other end of the pitch. Unfortunatley :
A) We're not Barcelona in their pomp
B) Tranmere were wise to our game plan and didn't press us , they just sat in their half and let Mitchell and Anderson have the ball.
It was blindingley obvious after 30mins a change of tact was needed but we don't have the midfield personell to affect games.

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« Reply #35 on December 26, 2022, 08:43:45 pm by bpoolrover »
For large parts of the game the midfield made no runs in fact no movement they just stood there, giving Clayton and Anderson no one to pass to

BigH

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« Reply #36 on December 26, 2022, 08:44:42 pm by BigH »
That performance today was the sort that get managers the sack. Now I’m not for a moment suggesting that we’re at or anywhere near that point but Schofield has to show that it was a one off. What’s a bit scary is that I said something similar after the Kings Lynn game…

It’s with him.

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« Reply #37 on December 26, 2022, 09:38:01 pm by since-1969 »
That performance today was the sort that get managers the sack. Now I’m not for a moment suggesting that we’re at or anywhere near that point but Schofield has to show that it was a one off. What’s a bit scary is that I said something similar after the Kings Lynn game…

It’s with him.
We are a L2 side and an average one at that . Absolutely no qualities either in defence , midfield or attack ( Miller) aside . Building a quality side takes time and a few transfer windows . But also takes vision and honesty when things are going bad . Too many managers talk up their job and leave out then the real  problems of the support required from the board to see the job through . If all that he’s being asked is that we try and compete on minimal funds and hope for results , then it’s ground hog day . All I know is that we are being fed dross covered in BS !

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« Reply #38 on December 26, 2022, 10:03:47 pm by Campsall rover »
Schofield is changing team personnel, positions and formations faster than I am having hot dinners.
The players look totally confused as to what the the game plan is.

Why has he completely changed what we did at Grimsby. Why why oh why. That really is a mystery.
Playing Knoyle as a centre back is utterly ludicrous. Not starting Hurst is barmy.

Taylor looks finished. Clayton not good enough any more. What was Anderson doing today. Was he told to pass it back to Mitchell 50 times.
That was embarrassing to watch.

Scofield needs to get this sorted because today was not acceptable.
If that’s how he wants us to play we will be playing National league football maybe not next season but quite possibly the one after.

That was a complete shambles from the 4th min to the 94th min.




andyst79

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« Reply #39 on December 26, 2022, 10:14:22 pm by andyst79 »
Schofield is changing team personnel, positions and formations faster than I am having hot dinners.
The players look totally confused as to what the the game plan is.

Why has he completely changed what we did at Grimsby. Why why oh why. That really is a mystery.
Playing Knoyle as a centre back is utterly ludicrous. Not starting Hurst is barmy.

Taylor looks finished. Clayton not good enough any more. What was Anderson doing today. Was he told to pass it back to Mitchell 50 times.
That was embarrassing to watch.

Scofield needs to get this sorted because today was not acceptable.
If that’s how he wants us to play we will be playing National league football maybe not next season but quite possibly the one after.

That was a complete shambles from the 4th min to the 94th min.




Not playing Hurst is criminal, don't get me wrong he's far from the finished article but at least he's got skill , enthusiasm & endeavor . I'd start him , Maxwell & Faulkner everytime over some of this shower as we need to look to the future not the past. Think he could quite easily operate in the hole behind Miller

Canadian Rover

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« Reply #40 on December 26, 2022, 10:18:20 pm by Canadian Rover »
Max Woltman left out the squad today - no explanation as to why and no further questioning on the post game interview! Typical.

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« Reply #41 on December 26, 2022, 10:30:50 pm by Chris Black come back »
Did we get an explanation about Rowe?

Canadian Rover

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« Reply #42 on December 26, 2022, 10:37:47 pm by Canadian Rover »
Did we get an explanation about Rowe?

Back spasm in training.

BillyStubbsTears

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« Reply #43 on December 26, 2022, 11:44:24 pm by BillyStubbsTears »
Just watching the goals again, our defending down the left was horrific.

First goal, there are ameoba in the Martian ice caps who spotted the overlap by the full back. Long saw it and pointed to Maxwell to go with him. Maxwell took half a step then stopped, ball-watching. Full back was clear away when the ball was slipped through to him.

Second goal, their player ghosted through a set of static players. Hurst had to get close and give him a physical challenge, but it was like going past cones.

Thirds one, Hurst is at fault again. When the ball went out to the full back, Hurst didn't set him any sort of challenge. He neither got close and hit him, nor set himself up to cover space. He ambled over, left the full back time  to choose what he wanted to do, never got within 2 yards, then was slow to respond when the full back did the obvious thing and pushed the ball past him. The defending of the cross by Anderson was just the icing on the cake.

This is what I mean about the lack of professional application. Far, far too many times, our players just don't set enough of a challenge for opposition players. That's not a management thing. It's a basic shortcoming of individual players.

We have a very, very ordinary squad. Young lads who haven't learned what it really means to be a pro. Older heads who are not setting an example. I don't know how we begin to put this right, short of a 3 year rebuilding job.
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« Reply #44 on December 26, 2022, 11:48:26 pm by Chris Black come back »
Our last three managers have had the job for 3 months, 4 months, and 9 months respectively. We’ve now got to trust Schofield and give him this window and the next window. We are going to be in League Two next season and you’d hope that having had two windows to clear out the squad, we’d be in a better place come August.

One other point worth remembering. Didn’t the job description have some criteria about playing exciting and entertaining football? It’s currently as bad as it has been since 1997/98.

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« Reply #45 on December 27, 2022, 12:20:39 am by Canadian Rover »
Our last three managers have had the job for 3 months, 4 months, and 9 months respectively. We’ve now got to trust Schofield and give him this window and the next window. We are going to be in League Two next season and you’d hope that having had two windows to clear out the squad, we’d be in a better place come August.

One other point worth remembering. Didn’t the job description have some criteria about playing exciting and entertaining football? It’s currently as bad as it has been since 1997/98.

Those appointments were made terribly. Our recruitment process in managers and players has been (dare I say it) the cheap option. And I don't care what SM says about managerial salary... we've gone the cheap & easy option again with very little credentials.

Replacing a young manager who played in the premier league and for DRFC with a younger head coach who played in the Championship but also played for Broddy and is from Donny. Coincidence?

We had Wellens (who was always going to be an abrasive character) was one move but not backing him financially was poor from the board - I'm going to go out on a limb and say the players he got in were cheap...very cheap.

And no matter what people say defending the owners and chairman they have ruined the club we had. 
« Last Edit: December 27, 2022, 01:14:51 am by Canadian Rover »

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« Reply #46 on December 27, 2022, 08:41:31 am by GazLaz »
JUST EMPLOY PEOPLE THAT ARE GOOD ARE GOOD AT COACHING FOOTBALL TEAMS.

no eyed deer

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« Reply #47 on December 27, 2022, 09:08:49 am by no eyed deer »
It's time for the men in charge to walk away.

Terry Bramall,  not interested
Blunt, just who is he ?
Baldwin, does a good carboot.

It's them that are to blame for where we are now,.... the plan, what plan is not working..

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« Reply #48 on December 27, 2022, 10:02:25 am by DD »
Perhaps we should have a poll?
Who to get rid of?
Manager
Director of football
Directors

Or “the lot”! :)

When the role of DOF (or whatever its called) was introduced at DRFC it rang alarm bells for me. Who is to blame when it goes pear shaped?
Is the manager making the most of his players? Or has the DOF made the correct choice of manager & purchases?
Or is it the Directors who have stopped funding purchases?

Or……..could it be the public of Doncaster who are no longer interested?

Barmby Rover

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« Reply #49 on December 27, 2022, 10:03:20 am by Barmby Rover »
Sorry to say this but it's looking like another catastrophic failure in terms of manager recruitment. WE NEED AN EXPERIENCED MANAGER!!!

We had 3, Ferguson, McCann and Moore. They all left (not sacked) for the same reason, lack of funding.

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« Reply #50 on December 27, 2022, 11:23:15 am by BillyStubbsTears »
Sorry to say this but it's looking like another catastrophic failure in terms of manager recruitment. WE NEED AN EXPERIENCED MANAGER!!!

We had 3, Ferguson, McCann and Moore. They all left (not sacked) for the same reason, lack of funding.

God this is hard work.

The latter two left to take up positions at much bigger clubs in a higher division.

The first one SAID there was a lack of funding. But we did better under the next two managers, and had 30 months of more or less top 7 form after he'd gone.

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« Reply #51 on December 27, 2022, 11:49:24 am by ravenrover »
Ferguson who had us relegated and came 3rd in a 1 horse race. Proved he can't manage without substantial finance or he simply can't manage. As already said McCann and Moore jumped ship for bigger clubs and presumably bigger pay packets

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« Reply #52 on December 27, 2022, 11:59:21 am by big fat yorkshire pudding »
I do think there is merit that they'd have stuck it out if we had a bit more funding and appetite to push the boundaries a bit more.  We have stability which is great but we do lack a bit of that push we had under John Ryan. We feel like a club happy to tread water to me.

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« Reply #53 on December 27, 2022, 12:02:16 pm by German Rover »
Sorry to say this but it's looking like another catastrophic failure in terms of manager recruitment. WE NEED AN EXPERIENCED MANAGER!!!

We had 3, Ferguson, McCann and Moore. They all left (not sacked) for the same reason, lack of funding.

McCann and Moore, left for other jobs that undoubtedly paid more money. McCann in the division above as well.

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« Reply #54 on December 27, 2022, 12:15:34 pm by ravenrover »
I do think there is merit that they'd have stuck it out if we had a bit more funding and appetite to push the boundaries a bit more.  We have stability which is great but we do lack a bit of that push we had under John Ryan. We feel like a club happy to tread water to me.
BFYP are you not ambitious in your job? If an opportunity came along at a bigger company with a bigger pay packet for you to do the same job would you really stick where you are?

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« Reply #55 on December 27, 2022, 12:18:26 pm by Chris Black come back »
Ferguson was not a good manager for us. Signed some good players and signed some less good players. His final season with us in League One we finished 6 points off relegation. McCann had 90pc the same squad and same budget, and got us into the play offs the next season, with 17 more points.

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« Reply #56 on December 27, 2022, 02:06:21 pm by big fat yorkshire pudding »
I do think there is merit that they'd have stuck it out if we had a bit more funding and appetite to push the boundaries a bit more.  We have stability which is great but we do lack a bit of that push we had under John Ryan. We feel like a club happy to tread water to me.
BFYP are you not ambitious in your job? If an opportunity came along at a bigger company with a bigger pay packet for you to do the same job would you really stick where you are?

Yes actually, I frequently get asked about jobs on more money etc but there's way more things to consider that means I usually say no. 

Like football managers it's not just about the money for many of these guys who are already very wealthy and comfortable so won't be solely bothered by £££s.  I doubt Mccann would have left if we'd had a bigger budget and stronger ambitions to kick on and strengthen at that point, instead we decimated that squad and saw players leave.  Wellens did a very poor job here but we seem to be the exception with him, why is that?

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« Reply #57 on December 27, 2022, 03:04:16 pm by selby »
  I think Wellens is proving that the selection process is not that bad, the backing they receive from both supporters and the board when the supporters put pressure on them is suspect to say the least.
   I also think Gary Mcsheffrey will surprise a few when he decides to stop having an extended holiday at our clubs expense.

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« Reply #58 on December 27, 2022, 03:19:26 pm by ravenrover »
I do think there is merit that they'd have stuck it out if we had a bit more funding and appetite to push the boundaries a bit more.  We have stability which is great but we do lack a bit of that push we had under John Ryan. We feel like a club happy to tread water to me.
BFYP are you not ambitious in your job? If an opportunity came along at a bigger company with a bigger pay packet for you to do the same job would you really stick where you are?

Yes actually, I frequently get asked about jobs on more money etc but there's way more things to consider that means I usually say no. 

Like football managers it's not just about the money for many of these guys who are already very wealthy and comfortable so won't be solely bothered by £££s.  I doubt Mccann would have left if we'd had a bigger budget and stronger ambitions to kick on and strengthen at that point, instead we decimated that squad and saw players leave.  Wellens did a very poor job here but we seem to be the exception with him, why is that?
Well could it be that he inherited a decent set of players at Orient in the 1st place and didn't have to try and build a whole team on a limited budget? You must admit that his recruitment at Donny was very poor to say the least and as for reports of his man management of said poor players......!

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« Reply #59 on December 27, 2022, 04:07:22 pm by Colin C No.3 »
Our last three managers have had the job for 3 months, 4 months, and 9 months respectively. We’ve now got to trust Schofield and give him this window and the next window. We are going to be in League Two next season and you’d hope that having had two windows to clear out the squad, we’d be in a better place come August.

One other point worth remembering. Didn’t the job description have some criteria about playing exciting and entertaining football? It’s currently as bad as it has been since 1997/98.

You don’t have to go that far back.

Try 2021/22.

 

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