Loans in and out

[Canadian Rover]

Who is going to take those players from us though.

Worksop

[sedwardsdrfc]

Who is going to take those players from us though.

Realistically no team will have them. But with Tomlin gone and a few loans cancelled it’s a start. The rest will need to be got rid of in the summer

[steve@dcfd]

Bradford winger on loan returned to his parent club to be sold to Plymouth straight away they are in for a West Ham winger who as been at Newport for the first part of the season to replace the other loan.
Yet 9 days into the window and nothing is imminent for us when we have 4 loan places at least available. Let’s hope we can get players in before this weekend

[Alan Southstand]

Baffling!

[scawsby steve]

Baffling!

Not really baffling, Alan, because we do this all the time, waiting until the end of the window.

No-one can blame the board for this, they just provide the funds. It's the manager and the recruitment team.

I honestly thought this area would improve with Copps at the helm, and it still might, but I'm not holding my breath.

[ncRover]

Bradford winger on loan returned to his parent club to be sold to Plymouth straight away they are in for a West Ham winger who as been at Newport for the first part of the season to replace the other loan.
Yet 9 days into the window and nothing is imminent for us when we have 4 loan places at least available. Let’s hope we can get players in before this weekend

Who are they in for?

[danumdon]

I think its pretty obvious we are down on numbers, if it looks like Woltman will be joining Roberts and being off the books then we need to be really canny. Anyone who comes in needs to be good enough to start, we can't carry any more of these young development players, i think we've had our bags worth of luck on that front with the likes of Kane and Wilks.

If we can offload a few fringe players all the better but i cant see many going. We just need a couple of players with strength and desire to get us going, we need some good examples in the squad because at the moment we are very short in that department.

[DearneValleyRover]

Strange, I didn’t realise it was the end of January

[sedwardsdrfc]

We signed what 8 players last Jan. and a load the Jan before that. How many have worked out? Or even get a game for us now?Honestly don’t think there’s one player in that lot.

Yes it’s be nice to do it quick but never at the cost of signing useless dross that will be here this time next year sitting on the bench because the manager doesn’t rate them.

[steve@dcfd]

Baffling!

Not really baffling, Alan, because we do this all the time, waiting until the end of the window.

No-one can blame the board for this, they just provide the funds. It's the manager and the recruitment team.

I honestly thought this area would improve with Copps at the helm, and it still might, but I'm not holding my breath.

Are the funds big enough to attract the players we want or loan fees for good loan players. We might have funds available but we might have to wait to see if other clubs will accept less. Let’s not forget we lost out to players last January because they went elsewhere.

[steve@dcfd]

Bradford winger on loan returned to his parent club to be sold to Plymouth straight away they are in for a West Ham winger who as been at Newport for the first part of the season to replace the other loan.
Yet 9 days into the window and nothing is imminent for us when we have 4 loan places at least available. Let’s hope we can get players in before this weekend

Who are they in for?

If you look at Bradford Telegraph and Argus they say

[dickos1]

Looking at the eight players we brought in last January when funds were available to GMC. Three were loans with only Josh Martin contributing regularly in the first team squad. Five players we gave permanent contracts to have hardly lit up the squad. Injuries and not being fit enough is how they started and apart from Mitchell none are regulars in the first team even in league two. Younger unfortunately is injured, Agard the one we couldn’t miss out on is a fringe player at best. Griffiths who has shown nothing in the twelve months he’s been here and there’s talk he could be going out on loan. Clayton as played but he’s not the midfield player we require squad player at best.
The funds available then were either not sufficient to bring a better standard of player or were used unwisely by the recruitment team to spread the resources thinly.
Therefore what ever funds are available this January we need to bring in player/players that can go straight in to the first team squad and improve us.

Well of course they were sufficient enough, mcsheffrey could’ve signed less players of better quality but opted to spend the funds on more players

[dickos1]

Marosi wasn't rated when he 1st came here , but he worked on his game and steadily improved. He wasn't the tallest but was fast and agile

Terrible with crosses cost us the play off at Charlton

To be fair he slipped

[DearneValleyRover]

Baffling!

Not really baffling, Alan, because we do this all the time, waiting until the end of the window.

No-one can blame the board for this, they just provide the funds. It's the manager and the recruitment team.

I honestly thought this area would improve with Copps at the helm, and it still might, but I'm not holding my breath.

Are the funds big enough to attract the players we want or loan fees for good loan players. We might have funds available but we might have to wait to see if other clubs will accept less. Let’s not forget we lost out to players last January because they went elsewhere.

The loss at Morecambe lost us players, they went elsewhere because none of them wanted to be in a relegation team

[steve@dcfd]

Looking at the eight players we brought in last January when funds were available to GMC. Three were loans with only Josh Martin contributing regularly in the first team squad. Five players we gave permanent contracts to have hardly lit up the squad. Injuries and not being fit enough is how they started and apart from Mitchell none are regulars in the first team even in league two. Younger unfortunately is injured, Agard the one we couldn’t miss out on is a fringe player at best. Griffiths who has shown nothing in the twelve months he’s been here and there’s talk he could be going out on loan. Clayton as played but he’s not the midfield player we require squad player at best.
The funds available then were either not sufficient to bring a better standard of player or were used unwisely by the recruitment team to spread the resources thinly.
Therefore what ever funds are available this January we need to bring in player/players that can go straight in to the first team squad and improve us.

Well of course they were sufficient enough, mcsheffrey could’ve signed less players of better quality but opted to spend the funds on more players

How many of those eight players are in the first team now. Mitchell third goalkeeper from Hartlepool. That’s it

[sedwardsdrfc]

Think that’s what Dickos is saying. If you go for quantity you’ll lose out on quality often. Especially so in Jan.

A lot of people want us to get 4/5 players this month. If we get two quality loans then we’ll have done well imo.

[dickos1]

Looking at the eight players we brought in last January when funds were available to GMC. Three were loans with only Josh Martin contributing regularly in the first team squad. Five players we gave permanent contracts to have hardly lit up the squad. Injuries and not being fit enough is how they started and apart from Mitchell none are regulars in the first team even in league two. Younger unfortunately is injured, Agard the one we couldn’t miss out on is a fringe player at best. Griffiths who has shown nothing in the twelve months he’s been here and there’s talk he could be going out on loan. Clayton as played but he’s not the midfield player we require squad player at best.
The funds available then were either not sufficient to bring a better standard of player or were used unwisely by the recruitment team to spread the resources thinly.
Therefore what ever funds are available this January we need to bring in player/players that can go straight in to the first team squad and improve us.

Well of course they were sufficient enough, mcsheffrey could’ve signed less players of better quality but opted to spend the funds on more players

How many of those eight players are in the first team now. Mitchell third goalkeeper from Hartlepool. That’s it

That’s not the boards fault though is it

[DonnyOsmond]

Looking at the eight players we brought in last January when funds were available to GMC. Three were loans with only Josh Martin contributing regularly in the first team squad. Five players we gave permanent contracts to have hardly lit up the squad. Injuries and not being fit enough is how they started and apart from Mitchell none are regulars in the first team even in league two. Younger unfortunately is injured, Agard the one we couldn’t miss out on is a fringe player at best. Griffiths who has shown nothing in the twelve months he’s been here and there’s talk he could be going out on loan. Clayton as played but he’s not the midfield player we require squad player at best.
The funds available then were either not sufficient to bring a better standard of player or were used unwisely by the recruitment team to spread the resources thinly.
Therefore what ever funds are available this January we need to bring in player/players that can go straight in to the first team squad and improve us.

Well of course they were sufficient enough, mcsheffrey could’ve signed less players of better quality but opted to spend the funds on more players

How many of those eight players are in the first team now. Mitchell third goalkeeper from Hartlepool. That’s it

That’s not the boards fault though is it

Not sure. Who's strategy has it been over the last few years not to pay fees for any first team players or even squad players at other clubs? Last Jan we signed loans or permanent signings that were either experienced pros who hadn't played first team football in a while or who had never played first team football, it was very unlikely those signings were going to make a difference in us staying up... And now we head into January this season probably with the same intent, so it looks likely we will hit the ground running with a signing that will turn around our season unless we unearth a brilliant young loanee.

[steve@dcfd]

Dickos I’m not sure whose fault signing eight players was. But as Donny says our strategy of signing players over the last few years as not been good.  Since MCCann and even Moore our level of loan players as reduced. The level of permanent players as certainly reduced.
We may change that this January and bring in quality players. We certainly need that in the forward area and another one in midfield.
So we will see who we sign whether loan or permanent that will show where the funds are.

[silent majority]

Dickos I’m not sure whose fault signing eight players was. But as Donny says our strategy of signing players over the last few years as not been good.  Since MCCann and even Moore our level of loan players as reduced. The level of permanent players as certainly reduced.
We may change that this January and bring in quality players. We certainly need that in the forward area and another one in midfield.
So we will see who we sign whether loan or permanent that will show where the funds are.

You're obsessed with funds and being proven one way or another.

In my conversations with the club everybody seems really happy and in control of the type of player that the club are bringing in. The cost of those players wasn't even discussed, it's more about fitting the style that DS wants the team to play.

[steve@dcfd]

No obsession but about funds but how the club can be happy with the players we’ve brought in is baffling when we were told funds were available. They didn’t stop us getting relegated and haven’t contributed enough to win more games with goals and concede less goals to achieve that.
So as I’ve said judgement will be made when the club bring the players that DS wants and we see if we perform consistently better and get the results we need.

[normal rules]

9 days into the window and nothing. You cannot tell me there was not enough time to sort something at the time of the window opening. Other clubs have made moves. Why not drfc?

[DonnyBazR0ver]

Have a look at the timeline of the summer transfer window. The first under Copps new role as HoF. Have a look at the timeline of last January's window.

Acquiring the right players, taking into account many factors, isn't like plucking apples from a tree.

Why do you infer that time elapsed without a signing  is a sign of incompetence?

For example, correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Josh Martin join us on loan after being recalled from MK Don's. Wasn't he a good acquisition? It sometimes involves more than one party to bring these deals together.

Copps will no doubt have a number of irons in the fire and he will make decisions based on his judgement, weighing up the risks, for the benefit of the bigger picture, not for the benefit of impatient fans.

[dickos1]

Looking at the eight players we brought in last January when funds were available to GMC. Three were loans with only Josh Martin contributing regularly in the first team squad. Five players we gave permanent contracts to have hardly lit up the squad. Injuries and not being fit enough is how they started and apart from Mitchell none are regulars in the first team even in league two. Younger unfortunately is injured, Agard the one we couldn’t miss out on is a fringe player at best. Griffiths who has shown nothing in the twelve months he’s been here and there’s talk he could be going out on loan. Clayton as played but he’s not the midfield player we require squad player at best.
The funds available then were either not sufficient to bring a better standard of player or were used unwisely by the recruitment team to spread the resources thinly.
Therefore what ever funds are available this January we need to bring in player/players that can go straight in to the first team squad and improve us.

Well of course they were sufficient enough, mcsheffrey could’ve signed less players of better quality but opted to spend the funds on more players

How many of those eight players are in the first team now. Mitchell third goalkeeper from Hartlepool. That’s it

That’s not the boards fault though is it

Not sure. Who's strategy has it been over the last few years not to pay fees for any first team players or even squad players at other clubs? Last Jan we signed loans or permanent signings that were either experienced pros who hadn't played first team football in a while or who had never played first team football, it was very unlikely those signings were going to make a difference in us staying up... And now we head into January this season probably with the same intent, so it looks likely we will hit the ground running with a signing that will turn around our season unless we unearth a brilliant young loanee.

Not many clubs at our level pay transfer fees though,
I think the recruitment last jan was decent, and at the end of the day if we hadn’t collapsed at morecambe we would’ve stayed up.

[bpoolrover]

Have a look at the timeline of the summer transfer window. The first under Copps new role as HoF. Have a look at the timeline of last January's window.

Acquiring the right players, taking into account many factors, isn't like plucking apples from a tree.

Why do you infer that time elapsed without a signing  is a sign of incompetence?

For example, correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Josh Martin join us on loan after being recalled from MK Don's. Wasn't he a good acquisition? It sometimes involves more than one party to bring these deals together.

Copps will no doubt have a number of irons in the fire and he will make decisions based on his judgement, weighing up the risks, for the benefit of the bigger picture, not for the benefit of impatient fans.

you are right, you can’t just sign anyone for the sake of it, it’s just worrying as our bench is so poor we need 3 or 4 players at least to ha e a fighting chance of the play offs, leaving it to late increases the chance another team will miss out on there targets and then go for yours, it will also take a while for the players to learn the managers style as such,by the time that happens your into mid February and to far off the playoffs, at some point you have to take some kind of risk

[POD]

I feel that we need a striker above all.

Whilst ever Miller stays fit and playing as central striker, we have backup on the bench with Griffiths, Agard & Woltman.

If Miller picks up an injury in early February, I wouldn’t fancy any of those three to replace him in the team.   

[silent majority]

No obsession but about funds but how the club can be happy with the players we’ve brought in is baffling when we were told funds were available. They didn’t stop us getting relegated and haven’t contributed enough to win more games with goals and concede less goals to achieve that.
So as I’ve said judgement will be made when the club bring the players that DS wants and we see if we perform consistently better and get the results we need.

You've just proven my point, you've talked about funds and the players we brought in in the same breath!

In your world bringing players is so simple, its like shopping at the supermarket, you go in with a list select the stuff you want, hand over your money and away you go. Which is great if you have a budget with no limits, the players want to play for you, they're not carrying injuries and they can play the style of football you want, plus the parent club is willing to let them go. Its easy!!

[steve@dcfd]

No obsession but about funds but how the club can be happy with the players we’ve brought in is baffling when we were told funds were available. They didn’t stop us getting relegated and haven’t contributed enough to win more games with goals and concede less goals to achieve that.
So as I’ve said judgement will be made when the club bring the players that DS wants and we see if we perform consistently better and get the results we need.

You've just proven my point, you've talked about funds and the players we brought in in the same breath!

In your world bringing players is so simple, its like shopping at the supermarket, you go in with a list select the stuff you want, hand over your money and away you go. Which is great if you have a budget with no limits, the players want to play for you, they're not carrying injuries and they can play the style of football you want, plus the parent club is willing to let them go. Its easy!!

No need to condescending I appreciate is not easy to bring players in. But other clubs in league 2 show they can. So as I have said we will wait to see who we can bring in to assist our side to bounce back decisively. The point I was making about last January only  Mitchell plays regularly in the first team. The loans we signed are not playing regularly in any team Josh Martin who was supposedly the best is a bench player for league 1 and hardly gets many minutes. The loans we brought in the summer one had been injured and other is plainly not good enough.
So the club are finding hard in which ever shop we are trying to shop in

[DearneValleyRover]

I understand as of today you are interested in bringing our young midfield player Joe Ackeroyd to Rovers .

Possible initial loan but could be permanent , Joe's out of contract at the end of the season but we have a one year option .

I understand there's some bits and pieces to resolve but there is genuine  interest from Rovers I understand .

Joe's 20 years old , had a loan spell in the Czech Republic last season which went well and had a recent loan spell with Guiseley .

I'd appreciate this may be a tad underwhelming for Rovers fans but just bear in mind it's a tough gig getting in to our midfield for an Academy product , there's just short of a £4m spend in our midfield collectively when everyone is fit end they are always going to take preference unless we unearth a Phil Foden .

What I've seen of Joe is that he's supremely fit , great engine and will run all day , he likes a tackle too and gets stuck in .

Not saying it will 100% come off this deal but I understand Joe is very keen .



 

He’s joined Buxton on loan

[Chris Black come back]

Joe Ackroyd. It’s only a month-long youth loan I think.