Refuel Performance Management.

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Refuel Performance Management are the agents for Todd Miller. Who has played  just twice for Brighton u23 this season. A young un proven winger.
They are also the agents for Danny Schofield.
Is this a masterclass loan signing?
Or just sheer nepotism?
We shall see.

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This management company also have a certain Tom Elliott, centre forward who played at Salford last, on their books.
He is without a club currently.
Surely not?

[ForsolongaRover]

Are you sure of these facts?

Here is a quote from the Brighton OS

“Todd Miller has joined League Two Doncaster Rovers on loan for the rest of the season.

The 21-year-old, who joined the club in 2019, has established himself as a key member of the under-21s squad, making nine appearances and scoring two goals in Premier League 2 this season.

He joins a Doncaster side currently tenth in the table but just a point off the play-off positions.

Under-21s Head coach Shannon Ruth said, “This is the next stage in Todd’s development and it will be interesting to see how he adapts to senior football.”

(I think 9 appearances means he’s played in all the matches they have played)

As I said on another thread this will in effect be a litmus test for DS, given what he has said about him and his style of play.

[StocksArmy]

This is boring now, genuinley boring. I would love somebody to come in and buy the club as much as anybody on this forum but, its not gonna happen is it. The current owners are unambitiously ambitious and trying to be smart to get us out of the league and challenging in LG1 without spending huge amounts of cash that they have spent their whole lives earning. Thats understandable. My question to them is... why should we stand by and keep throwing our money at a plan that we all feel will never work? And also (which is the main thing) we dont even get any excitement from performances for the cash. Thats not a dig at the manager either, the group we have will never be better than inconsistent because they are not good enough. Also Kyle Knoyle will never (in my opinion) play higher than the league above. So him leaving really doesnt bother me. Its just the club is stagnant, everybody knows we need better and its just so deflating. I really dont know the ins and outs of signing a footballer but if there was genuine cash to spend then surely the players should have been identified,  representatives contacted prior to the opening of the window and things in place to press the go button immediately when the time omes. I majorly feel for Schofield and also previous managers on this one. Did they not sit down together once Knoyle expressed his desire to leave and have a plan in place for if a bid came in, in this window? And why on earth would you move him on at the back end of the week when you have no time to replace him and having planned all week for him to be involved at Crawley? Did the offer come in earlier in the week? Did we reject and ask for more money and the deal dragged on a few days? Does the manager feel comfortable being without Knoyle for this game and make a replacement a priority next week? Questions should be answered regardless. Be honest with the punters and give them reassurances. Would you not request to Stockport that a deal will be done on the Monday so we have him for the game we planned for? Is it not that easy? Im clearly speculating here before a jibe comes my way for reading exactly how it comes accross to supporters without us knowing the ins and outs. Club needs to look at a supporters viewpoint and see that todays news has been.... we have sold arguably our best player this season to a rival club who currently sit beneath us, Knoyle didnt see a future at the club, Knoyle himself tweets that the club dont match the ambition of the supporters. Brilliant! Glad we all bought our Crawley tickets then.

[Colemans Left Hook]

just to pour petrol on the discussion 
he has (for what it is worth ) 17 goalkeepers on his books  out of  50   34%

that's technically (spinning the fact out to the extreme ) one in three

perhaps to get our fans back in love with the club we ought to sign

Mahlon Romeo from Cardiff   

[sedwardsdrfc]

Didn’t Moore sign lots of players from the same agency? A lot of them were terrible from memory

Not sure how much impact that will have on a loan signing anyway. T&Cs are between the clubs the player just gets paid as per his existing contract so no need for agent involvement.

[roversdude]

Didn’t Moore sign lots of players from the same agency? A lot of them were terrible from memory

Not sure how much impact that will have on a loan signing anyway. T&Cs are between the clubs the player just gets paid as per his existing contract so no need for agent involvement.

Think they were all from the same church/Christian group

[Chris Black come back]

Christianity did appear to be a consistent factor in Moore’s recruitment strategy.

[wilts rover]

All managers sign players they know. Most of O'Driscolls' early signings had a connection with Bournemouth.

[drfchound]

I think I am right in remembering a post or two on here saying that we don’t deal with agents who would want to charge the club a fee for their services.
If that is true then maybe RPM are one of our preferred agencies to deal with IF they don’t charge fees to clubs who sign their players.
You would think it would limit who we could sign somewhat.

[Filo]

All managers sign players they know. Most of O'Driscolls' early signings had a connection with Bournemouth.

Stock was SOD’s first signing

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It has been said before that drfc avoid agents who have large fees.
That could be part of our problem.
The agents that charge larger fees may simply have the better players.

[eastender]

Did they not sit down together once Knoyle expressed his desire to leave and have a plan in place for if a bid came in, in this window? And why on earth would you move him on at the back end of the week when you have no time to replace him and having planned all week for him to be involved at Crawley.
Would you not request to Stockport that a deal will be done on the Monday so we have him for the game we planned for?

I see and agree with the logic and it's poor from DRFC that we haven't got a replacement in before hand ( hopefully early next week), but would you really want Knoyle in the team knowing that he was leaving straight after the game.
Would he give 100% and risk injury and scuppering his move, remember Joe Wright had signed a Pre contract at Hearts , then got a severe injury in the last game of the season for us and the deal fell through.
I think i would rather have someone in the team that is playing for us.

[sedwardsdrfc]

I think I am right in remembering a post or two on here saying that we don’t deal with agents who would want to charge the club a fee for their services.
If that is true then maybe RPM are one of our preferred agencies to deal with IF they don’t charge fees to clubs who sign their players.
You would think it would limit who we could sign somewhat.

Maybe but this is a loan. We won’t be paying the agent anything as we’ve no terms to discuss with them. He is under contract at Brighton so that is who his agent will deal with

[roversdude]

Is this a loan with a view to buy

[DonnyBazR0ver]

All managers sign players they know. Most of O'Driscolls' early signings had a connection with Bournemouth.

Stock was SOD’s first signing

Came on loan initially. From Preston if memory serves.

[sedwardsdrfc]

Is this a loan with a view to buy

He’s out of contract in the summer. So will depend on how he does I guess. Play too well he might have options, poorly and we won’t bother.

[selby]

  The only interest I have in Todd is how well he plays for us, which I hope is very well, the rest has nothing to do with anyone else but the lad himself and the clubs involved.

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All managers sign players they know. Most of O'Driscolls' early signings had a connection with Bournemouth.

Signing players you know is worlds apart from signing players who just happen to have the same agent as you.

[since-1969]

Refuel Performance Management are the agents for Todd Miller. Who has played  just twice for Brighton u23 this season. A young un proven winger.
They are also the agents for Danny Schofield.
Is this a masterclass loan signing?
Or just sheer nepotism?
We shall see.

OR just a good contact !!

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  The only interest I have in Todd is how well he plays for us, which I hope is very well, the rest has nothing to do with anyone else but the lad himself and the clubs involved.

Agreed. If he is a find, then it’s happy days. But when was the last real loan “find” rovers made in recent years. The odds are not good.
If, as I suspect, this is a player who is merely “convenient”, as they share the same agent, and no fee due to being a loan, then it’s not so happy days. And quite undermines DS’s ability and reputation to identify and attract talent. DM did similar and we know how that ended up.

Got me thinking. Do rovers have talent Scouts at the moment. Is anyone actually out there looking at players?

[sedwardsdrfc]

  The only interest I have in Todd is how well he plays for us, which I hope is very well, the rest has nothing to do with anyone else but the lad himself and the clubs involved.

Agreed. If he is a find, then it’s happy days. But when was the last real loan “find” rovers made in recent years. The odds are not good.
If, as I suspect, this is a player who is merely “convenient”, as they share the same agent, and no fee due to being a loan, then it’s not so happy days. And quite undermines DS’s ability and reputation to identify and attract talent. DM did similar and we know how that ended up.

Got me thinking. Do rovers have talent Scouts at the moment. Is anyone actually out there looking at players?

The agent could only signal that the player is available for loan. We don’t have any dealing with the agent to get the deal done. A loan contract will be between Brighton and DRFC. Agent gets nothing out of this deal.

Think you’re making more of the link than needs to be made. Fair enough sign a load of questionable contract players with the same agent is a red flag. Think we did that with Wellens or Moore but can’t remember exactly.

We must have some talent scouting. Milker, Molyneux, Maxwell, Hirst and Biggins weren’t exactly household names.

I’d say these signings are better then when we had Younger whose only job was to identify talent.