Bregret

[normal rules]

Never heard of this word till today. Brexit/ regret. Bregret. Could this happen? Will it happen?

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwistdbGuM_8AhWLI8AKHew2B0oQFnoECA0QAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.trtworld.com%2Fopinion%2Fbrexit-to-bregret-why-britain-might-make-a-u-turn-on-eu-ties-64577&usg=AOvVaw1E09M_7SZPGdeY41xXrPiW

[BillyStubbsTears]

Of course it will happen. Just a question of when.

I'd say it needs the polls to be 65:35 before it's the right time to turn things around.

[SydneyRover]

Those denying the damage brexit is doing to the UK economy and the fabric of UK society are sounding trump like as their arguments are nonsense.

[normal rules]

I won’t deny that the uk has been financially hampered since brexit.
I voted for change. I didn’t vote for no change.
My question is, will it be reversed. Can it?
Will a labour govt preside over such a switch?
Would the conservatives dare even talk about it?

[SydneyRover]

I won’t deny that the uk has been financially hampered since brexit.
I voted for change. I didn’t vote for no change.
My question is, will it be reversed. Can it?
Will a labour govt preside over such a switch?
Would the conservatives dare even talk about it?

It can't be reversed until a large portion of those still in denial change their minds and that changes the political landscape.

[wilts rover]

I won’t deny that the uk has been financially hampered since brexit.
I voted for change. I didn’t vote for no change.
My question is, will it be reversed. Can it?
Will a labour govt preside over such a switch?
Would the conservatives dare even talk about it?

Yes. Yes.
Dunno, but it won't be the next one (in the next 5 years).
Yes. But not until they have become a proper political party representing the UK again rather than the political arm of the billionaire tax evader pressure groups from 55 Tufton Street (dont see any chance of that).

I have said several times before that we wont become formal members of the EU anytime soon. Why would they accept us knowing that any future government could reverse it - than have to go through another Brexit? It's just not going to happen. Closer 'soft Brexit' SM & CU membership maybe - or something similar.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Fascinating watching this. It's truly Orwellian Doublespeak.

https://twitter.com/RidgeOnSunday/status/1642431201678962691?s=20

There are always going to be problems at certain times, but its not the fault of Brexit.

There are problems at Dover. There have always been problems at Dover. This is not due to Brexit.

Be patient while the ferry companies work through the backlog.

It's the fault of the ferry companies. It has always been the fault of the ferry companies.

That woman scares me more than anyone else in British politics.

[Donnywolf]

It may be reversed if and when we get PR and moderation breaks out

It's a wonder the Govt haven't passed a Law demanding Referendums have to provide at least a 66% Majority (of those Voting) to overturn a current position

I.e we voted to leave and 66% would be needed to let us re-enter

[selby]

  A lot of doubt about the Euro and finances, we are better off out of it, to coin the old Song " There could be trouble ahead" ignore it at your peril for a while.

[BillyStubbsTears]

  A lot of doubt about the Euro and finances, we are better off out of it, to coin the old Song " There could be trouble ahead" ignore it at your peril for a while.

Aye. Mike Graham speaks.

[ravenrover]

I'm sure it was Emily Thornberry who, when asked several months ago, said the only way back in to EU would include acceptance of Euro as a condition of rejoining so in her opinion no chance

[SydneyRover]

This weeks developments on brexit ..............

Badenoch doesn't want to talk about it, I can see the government's next move is for a 'D Notice' to be issued.

Total fudge at dover from braveman.

''Back-to-work schemes in England previously funded by EU forced to close''

''Back-to-work schemes across England previously paid for by the EU are being forced to close and lay off staff, despite a last-minute rule change by the government aimed at allowing councils to fund them.

Michael Gove’s Department for Levelling Up, Housing and Communities (DLUHC) wrote to local authorities last week giving them the green light to spend their shared prosperity fund (SPF) allocations on job schemes, from April''

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/mar/26/back-to-work-schemes-england-previously-funded-eu-forced-close

[SydneyRover]

  A lot of doubt about the Euro and finances, we are better off out of it, to coin the old Song " There could be trouble ahead" ignore it at your peril for a while.

Selby, did you take up the Turkish citizenship option back when you 'invested' in your time share?

[selby]

  Syd I have never shared property with anyone unless they paid me to rent what I own. As a matter of fact the one in Turkey was a great deal bought at the bottom and sold at the top twenty years later,  started off with neighbours from Germany and Holland and ended up with Russians all over the place, and yes sold to a Russian who paid in dollars no questions asked, another lucky move, thanks for the good memories.
   How's the bush fires near you looking this year? have the neighbours got away yet?

[SydneyRover]

So you didn't take up citizenship then selby?

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

Neither of the major parties want to reverse it indeed labour don't seem to want to change much if anything at all Brexit related.

[SydneyRover]

But you would understand why in this political climate pud?

[BillyStubbsTears]

Neither of the major parties want to reverse it indeed labour don't seem to want to change much if anything at all Brexit related.

Labour very much, as a matter of principle, would like to reverse it.

The issue is one of practicality. Brexit WILL be reversed, but only once enough people have taken on board the scale of the damage it has done.

And I don't just mean a sliver of a majority of people. I mean 70+%, so the issue can properly be put to bed.

That's not going to happen this side of the 2030s at the earliest. Because there are still too many people in the Brexit Death Cult who simply refuse to see facts.

Public opinion IS changing. And in maybe 10-15 years time there'll be an angry groundswell of opinion demanding politicians reverse the self-inflicted damage.

But that's for the future.

Meantime, what possible advantage to the country or the party could Labour gain by campaigning to reverse Brexit now?

[ncRover]

Lib Dems might put rejoin on their 2024 manifesto still

[Donnywolf]

Hope they do and get rid of some horrendous Politicians. I don't know any of them personally but Raab Coffey Braverman Patel Jenrick Clarke , the list is endless

Then Labour Lib Dems might have to share power and eventually they will come to agreement on PR as a pathway to the 70% talked about above.

[scawsby steve]

Hope they do and get rid of some horrendous Politicians. I don't know any of them personally but Raab Coffey Braverman Patel Jenrick Clarke , the list is endless

Then Labour Lib Dems might have to share power and eventually they will come to agreement on PR as a pathway to the 70% talked about above.

Wolfie, if ever Labour gets into bed with that bunch of unprincipled, reneging, career obsessed snake oil salesmen, then they don't deserve to ever be in power again.

However, I don't think they'll need to. They should easily win with a majority next year.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

Neither of the major parties want to reverse it indeed labour don't seem to want to change much if anything at all Brexit related.

Labour very much, as a matter of principle, would like to reverse it.

The issue is one of practicality. Brexit WILL be reversed, but only once enough people have taken on board the scale of the damage it has done.

And I don't just mean a sliver of a majority of people. I mean 70+%, so the issue can properly be put to bed.

That's not going to happen this side of the 2030s at the earliest. Because there are still too many people in the Brexit Death Cult who simply refuse to see facts.

Public opinion IS changing. And in maybe 10-15 years time there'll be an angry groundswell of opinion demanding politicians reverse the self-inflicted damage.

But that's for the future.

Meantime, what possible advantage to the country or the party could Labour gain by campaigning to reverse Brexit now?

You can't reverse it though, the idea you can just switch back is nonsensical particularly as inevitably more and more things diverge.

Unless there is a drastic change of thinking in the EU I don't see the UK rejoining for some time yet, but granted it may happen one day.

[SydneyRover]

The UK would re-join as any other nation would/will join the EU through a process of meeting certain requirements .........

''These conditions are known as the 'Copenhagen criteria' and include a stable democracy and the rule of law, a functioning market economy and the acceptance of all EU legislation, including of the euro''

And as I have said previously the majority of those that voted for brexit will be dead before any gains materialise so they themselves won't have to eat shit.

https://european-union.europa.eu/principles-countries-history/joining-eu_en#:~:text=Joining%20the%20EU,-Becoming%20a%20member&text=These%20conditions%20are%20known%20as,legislation%2C%20including%20of%20the%20euro.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

And there is the reason why it's so unlikely.  It's a very hard sell to throw in the euro, loss of control on things like interest rates and economic policy plus rejoining isn't going to come with the same rights as the past with vetos etc. It's a very different outlook.

A more sensible approach is redefining certain agreements as time progresses.

[Donnywolf]

From #22 above :

And as I have said previously the majority of those that voted for brexit will be dead before any gains materialise so they themselves won't have to eat shit.


True , and unfortunately a lot of people who voted against leaving , will have died too wondering why they personally have endured a holistic s**t show with still not ONE obvious benefit arising

Politicians justifying it , often suppressing smiles as they lie about it's benefits and future benefits

A long long way down the track we as a Nation will look back through history and wonder wtf we collectively were thinking

[tommy toes]

Braverman: 'The delays at Dover have nothing to do with Brexit.'

The Chief Exec of the Port of Dover: 'The delays are absolutely because of Brexit.'

[SydneyRover]

And there is the reason why it's so unlikely.  It's a very hard sell to throw in the euro, loss of control on things like interest rates and economic policy plus rejoining isn't going to come with the same rights as the past with vetos etc. It's a very different outlook.

A more sensible approach is redefining certain agreements as time progresses.

All this would have been known beforehand by those voting for brexit, as no-one has put their hand up admitting they were duped (maybe I missed that) the shit-show that is now playing out would have been totally expected, right? plus the Euro bit to join again.

[drfchound]

And there is the reason why it's so unlikely.  It's a very hard sell to throw in the euro, loss of control on things like interest rates and economic policy plus rejoining isn't going to come with the same rights as the past with vetos etc. It's a very different outlook.

A more sensible approach is redefining certain agreements as time progresses.

All this would have been known beforehand by those voting for brexit, as no-one has put their hand up admitting they were duped (maybe I missed that) the shit-show that is now playing out would have been totally expected, right? plus the Euro bit to join again.

Here you go Syd.
I find it hard to believe you missed this as it was in your bible:

From the Guardian. Sunday 5th February:
An article by William Keegan.


“It is hard to admit being wrong. But Brexit voters are doing so in droves

Having been grossly misled in the referendum, Britons’ anger is mounting as the reality of our plight becomes clear.

I quote this in the context of recent developments in regard to Brexit. The majority of respondents to recent surveys now believe the nation was wrong to vote for Brexit, and a tidy majority would like to rejoin the European Union. Admitting one is wrong is not a natural inclination; but in the case of Brexit many leavers have the reasonable excuse that they were woefully misled by a gang of lying charlatans.”

[belton rover]

I voted for change too. Until leave voters stop being tarred with the same, ignorant brush by bitter ‘remainers’ they are immigrant hating, NHS side-of-bus believing members of Brexit death cults, very little will change whether it’s the right thing to do or not.

[tommy toes]

I go out for a drink once a month with a gang of old blokes like me. ALL of them voted for Brexit, except me.
ALL of them said they were sick of all the Poles and the like taking over.
They wouldn't listen to any counter argument.
Don't tell me immigration wasn't the Number 1 reason, look at the vote in Boston, though they ALL deny it now.
Nobody like that looked any further than the end of their nose, so YES I'll call em out for the idiots they were on this issue.
The immigration thing alone swung the vote for Brexit, and if you believe owt else then you're kidding yersen.