Bregret

[Sprotyrover]

Tommy Toes have a walk around Hexthorpe, East Dene in Rotherham and Popplewell street in Sheffield and tell me what you think about the EEC, we have become a safe refuge for all of their unwanted Roma travellers.

[belton rover]

Thanks for clarifying my point, Tommy.
I wouldn’t choose to drink with the bigots that you do.

[SydneyRover]

I voted for change too. Until leave voters stop being tarred with the same, ignorant brush by bitter ‘remainers’ they are immigrant hating, NHS side-of-bus believing members of Brexit death cults, very little will change whether it’s the right thing to do or not.

Hope you're not tarring all the 'bitter' remainers with the 'ignorant brush' there belton

[belton rover]

Not at all, Sydney. Just the ignorant ones.

[SydneyRover]

Next question, what was the change you wanted and did you get it?

[belton rover]

The change I wanted was that those running the country would get a huge kick up the arse that would result in them serving, and respecting, the people of Britain better than they have done for most of my lifetime.
No, I didn’t get what I wanted.

[Donnywolf]

I go out for a drink once a month with a gang of old blokes like me. ALL of them voted for Brexit, except me.
ALL of them said they were sick of all the Poles and the like taking over.
They wouldn't listen to any counter argument.
Don't tell me immigration wasn't the Number 1 reason, look at the vote in Boston, though they ALL deny it now.
Nobody like that looked any further than the end of their nose, so YES I'll call em out for the idiots they were on this issue.
The immigration thing alone swung the vote for Brexit, and if you believe owt else then you're kidding yersen.

I am sure anecdotally that I can confirm that. Nobody hid the reasons they Voted leave in Boston . They actively said they wanted rid of the EU workers

Same in Wisbech where they had the same problem(s).

However in Thorne S Yorks people were railing against the Doctors having no Appointments , the Classrooms being overstuffed with kids , those Kids being held back because the EU kids had to mostly be taught English before they could be taught Geography or History or Maths

Quite a few people I know openly say those reasons and a few others prompted their Vote to Leave but lots of others of my age voted to leave but are not as honest and hide behind " vague reasons"

I'll come to your Meet ups TT .. 2 v 12 is a better ratio for you . I personally think we have lost massively on all counts and have yet to identify one single solitary benefit of Leaving.

PS I don't count a Blue Passport which is produced with "ingredients" sourced in the EU but which makes me stop at every EU Border now to have it stamped instead of me getting nodded through and which also severely restricts my movement in the EU and restricts my stay there to just 90 days in every 180 days

We shot ourselves in the foot massively. That's my affirmed view so feel free to slag me ridicule me say I'm wrong but I will never change my mind

I'm just sad that I'm probably too old to see us back in the EU but will have to eat all the s**t that has been dished out since the day we voted Leave

[SydneyRover]

The change I wanted was that those running the country would get a huge kick up the arse that would result in them serving, and respecting, the people of Britain better than they have done for most of my lifetime.
No, I didn’t get what I wanted.

I guess the tories would have been in power for most of your lifetime and this was their referendum to dig themselves out of a hole.

[belton rover]

True on both counts, Sydney. I wish I could put my faith in the next Labour government doing a better job, but I have little left in politicians representing me and my country.

There is no doubt that Brexit is a failure, but Britain was failing long before that (including Labour governments).

[Ldr]

Next question, what was the change you wanted and did you get it?

I didn’t want to be part of a European superstate, so far so good.

[tommy toes]

I go out for a drink once a month with a gang of old blokes like me. ALL of them voted for Brexit, except me.
ALL of them said they were sick of all the Poles and the like taking over.
They wouldn't listen to any counter argument.
Don't tell me immigration wasn't the Number 1 reason, look at the vote in Boston, though they ALL deny it now.
Nobody like that looked any further than the end of their nose, so YES I'll call em out for the idiots they were on this issue.
The immigration thing alone swung the vote for Brexit, and if you believe owt else then you're kidding yersen.

I am sure anecdotally that I can confirm that. Nobody hid the reasons they Voted leave in Boston . They actively said they wanted rid of the EU workers

Same in Wisbech where they had the same problem(s).

However in Thorne S Yorks people were railing against the Doctors having no Appointments , the Classrooms being overstuffed with kids , those Kids being held back because the EU kids had to mostly be taught English before they could be taught Geography or History or Maths

Quite a few people I know openly say those reasons and a few others prompted their Vote to Leave but lots of others of my age voted to leave but are not as honest and hide behind " vague reasons"

I'll come to your Meet ups TT .. 2 v 12 is a better ratio for you . I personally think we have lost massively on all counts and have yet to identify one single solitary benefit of Leaving.

PS I don't count a Blue Passport which is produced with "ingredients" sourced in the EU but which makes me stop at every EU Border now to have it stamped instead of me getting nodded through and which also severely restricts my movement in the EU and restricts my stay there to just 90 days in every 180 days

We shot ourselves in the foot massively. That's my affirmed view so feel free to slag me ridicule me say I'm wrong but I will never change my mind

I'm just sad that I'm probably too old to see us back in the EU but will have to eat all the s**t that has been dished out since the day we voted Leave

As you know Wolfie, not a bad bunch of blokes but they suffer from old age intolerance that seems to affect people our age.
Good job you and me are alight lol.

I think the next one is a week tomorrow.

Edit
I'm off to Tenerife with some of them in 3 weeks. Me and Mrs T have to take separate hols due our son, so decided to go. Will miss JB though. Tom and G are going so should be OK.

[SydneyRover]

True on both counts, Sydney. I wish I could put my faith in the next Labour government doing a better job, but I have little left in politicians representing me and my country.

There is no doubt that Brexit is a failure, but Britain was failing long before that (including Labour governments).

Thanks for an honest answer, the real answer is of course is to get involved to help shape how things are but I understand not everyone can or wants to do that.

[SydneyRover]

Next question, what was the change you wanted and did you get it?

I didn’t want to be part of a European superstate, so far so good.

In spades

[Not Now Kato]

I voted for change too. Until leave voters stop being tarred with the same, ignorant brush by bitter ‘remainers’ they are immigrant hating, NHS side-of-bus believing members of Brexit death cults, very little will change whether it’s the right thing to do or not.

How strange, that aptly describes an awful lot of leave voters I know personally, and I know quite a lot!
 
The ONLY way you can change what happens in the EU is from within, not from without.
 
By the way, I'm not bitter, but I pity the fools who voted to shoot themselves, their families, their grandchildren in the foot. History will not be kind to them, and it will be future generations who will be bitter about it.

[danumdon]

I voted for change too. Until leave voters stop being tarred with the same, ignorant brush by bitter ‘remainers’ they are immigrant hating, NHS side-of-bus believing members of Brexit death cults, very little will change whether it’s the right thing to do or not.

How strange, that aptly describes an awful lot of leave voters I know personally, and I know quite a lot!
 
The ONLY way you can change what happens in the EU is from within, not from without.
 
By the way, I'm not bitter, but I pity the fools who voted to shoot themselves, their families, their grandchildren in the foot. History will not be kind to them, and it will be future generations who will be bitter about it.

The bloke doth protest too much, methinks.

[belton rover]

I voted for change too. Until leave voters stop being tarred with the same, ignorant brush by bitter ‘remainers’ they are immigrant hating, NHS side-of-bus believing members of Brexit death cults, very little will change whether it’s the right thing to do or not.

How strange, that aptly describes an awful lot of leave voters I know personally, and I know quite a lot!
 
The ONLY way you can change what happens in the EU is from within, not from without.
 
By the way, I'm not bitter, but I pity the fools who voted to shoot themselves, their families, their grandchildren in the foot. History will not be kind to them, and it will be future generations who will be bitter about it.

Here lies the problem, Not. I too know lots of people who voted for the reasons you have highlighted in bold. However, I also know lots of people who voted to leave for the same reasons I did. I am surprised that you either don’t know any leave voters who are not the type you’ve highlighted, or if you do, that you choose to ignore them.

Your suggestion that future generations will be bitter towards leave voters is, with respect, nonsense, and smacks of bitterness on your behalf, despite your assurances that you are not.

I have little doubt that there will be a future vote to join or stay out of the EU, possibly in my lifetime. In the meantime, Britain will continue to be - the only determiner of whether that period is a successful one or not depends on us having a competent government. I don’t regret my vote because at the time I hoped it would be the catalyst for change in terms of how the government treat its people. I expected the remain vote to win by a small margin, and was as shocked as anyone when it didn’t. Having said that, I don’t think there should have been a vote in the first place because it went ahead for all the wrong reasons - another example of politicians playing games and treating the British public with disdain (on both sides).

But we did have a vote and Leave did win. I am aware of certain groups and individuals who have directly been affected negatively by Brexit, but on the whole, little has changed simply because of Brexit. I can’t think of a single thing regarding how my day to day life is affected so terribly because we are no longer in the EU. Yes, I think the country is in a mess, but it was so long before Brexit, and long before the tories were in power.

I honestly believe that if we rejoined the EU tomorrow, nothing would change in terms of the reality of life in Britain right now. The only way that will improve, is by having a competent government, whether that be left or right, or whether we are in The EU or not.

[Not Now Kato]

I voted for change too. Until leave voters stop being tarred with the same, ignorant brush by bitter ‘remainers’ they are immigrant hating, NHS side-of-bus believing members of Brexit death cults, very little will change whether it’s the right thing to do or not.

How strange, that aptly describes an awful lot of leave voters I know personally, and I know quite a lot!
 
The ONLY way you can change what happens in the EU is from within, not from without.
 
By the way, I'm not bitter, but I pity the fools who voted to shoot themselves, their families, their grandchildren in the foot. History will not be kind to them, and it will be future generations who will be bitter about it.

Here lies the problem, Not. I too know lots of people who voted for the reasons you have highlighted in bold. However, I also know lots of people who voted to leave for the same reasons I did. I am surprised that you either don’t know any leave voters who are not the type you’ve highlighted, or if you do, that you choose to ignore them.
 
The reason you gave above was that you wanted "change", yet you could have had no idea whatsoever what the "change" would look like as that wasn't specified anywhere; and was most certainly not on the ballot paper.
 
I do know people who voted leave for reasons, they claim, other than those above. Indeed, a great friend of mine said he did it "for his grandchildren", though when pressed couldn't explain further - draw your own conclusion.

Your suggestion that future generations will be bitter towards leave voters is, with respect, nonsense, and smacks of bitterness on your behalf, despite your assurances that you are not.
 
I'm afraid you're wrong there. I know several young people - who were too young to vote in the referendum - who are greatly annoyed that they no longer have the automatic right to attend universities and to work anywhere in the EU. I believe time will strengthen this view amongst the young.

I have little doubt that there will be a future vote to join or stay out of the EU, possibly in my lifetime. In the meantime, Britain will continue to be - the only determiner of whether that period is a successful one or not depends on us having a competent government. I don’t regret my vote because at the time I hoped it would be the catalyst for change in terms of how the government treat its people. I expected the remain vote to win by a small margin, and was as shocked as anyone when it didn’t. Having said that, I don’t think there should have been a vote in the first place because it went ahead for all the wrong reasons - another example of politicians playing games and treating the British public with disdain (on both sides).
 
History has shown that governments, of both persuasions, have treated the general public with disdain. Serious question, given that history, and particularly recent history, why did you think that would change by leaving the EU?

But we did have a vote and Leave did win. I am aware of certain groups and individuals who have directly been affected negatively by Brexit, but on the whole, little has changed simply because of Brexit. I can’t think of a single thing regarding how my day to day life is affected so terribly because we are no longer in the EU. Yes, I think the country is in a mess, but it was so long before Brexit, and long before the tories were in power.
 
Little has changed for you, and certainly very little has changed for me other than a few slight inconveniences, but the same can't be said for the less well off. Many price increases are down to Brent, and Brexit alone.  The right wing media might have you believe otherwise, but they clearly have an agenda - as they did in promoting Brexit. Then, of course, there's river pollution which would be in contravention of EU rules had we remained. And don't forget this government's efforts in eroding people's and workers rights, many, again, outwith EU rules.

I honestly believe that if we rejoined the EU tomorrow, nothing would change in terms of the reality of life in Britain right now. The only way that will improve, is by having a competent government, whether that be left or right, or whether we are in The EU or not.
 
Oh things would certainly change. Do you seriously think that we'd get the same hard won deals we had before we left?

Meanwhile, we're still waiting for any of those considerable upsides we were promised.

[normal rules]

On the topic of Boston . It’s worth pointing out that in 2015 it ranked as the most murderous place in England. 2 murders and eight attempts in the 12 months up to sep15. That’s 15 murderous crimes per 100000 people . Putting it above London and manchester. And I can say with some confidence that they were all foreign nationals killing each other or trying to. The people of Boston were scared by this . And rightly so .

[belton rover]

Not. You assume I am well off. Perhaps you shouldn’t.
You say many price increases are down to Brexit alone. ‘Many’ is not a statistic but it looks good in an argument. It’s too easy to blame Brexit for all your woes.

I’ve already said that I believe that Brexit is a failure and that it should never have gone to a vote, but you’re wrong to blame it for just about everything that is wrong at the moment in this country. Very wrong.

As for change, forgive me for not making it clear, but the ‘change’ I voted for wasn’t for Britain to change from being in the EU to being out of it. It was change in terms of governments (plural; past, present and future) becoming in touch with the British public and serving them at least adequately. Rich, poor and anywhere in between.
Naive of me? Absolutely
Futile? Most certainly.

The vote could have been about absolutely anything.

[SydneyRover]

But one can blame brexit where those that should know have?

By the end of 2021, Brexit had already cost ...............

https://www.lse.ac.uk/News/Latest-news-from-LSE/2022/l-December-22/By-the-end-of-2021-Brexit-had-already-cost-UK-households-a-total-of-5.8-billion-in-higher-food-bills-%E2%80%93-new-LSE-research#:~:text=News-,By%20the%20end%20of%202021%2C%20Brexit%20had%20already%20cost%20UK,food%20bills%20%E2%80%93%20new%20LSE%20research&text=The%20UK%20inflation%20rate%20rose,highest%20rate%20in%2040%20years.

And unfortunately racism played a part in brexit, otherwise why was farage so popular with many?

this is a general comment, not aimed at anyone in particular.

[SydneyRover]

gosh, there is an abundance of information out there ........

Feb 13/2023

''Brexit Cost UK £1,000 Per Household, Says Bank Of England Economist. Jonathan Haskel says investment was "stopped in its tracks" after the referendum. Brexit caused investment in UK businesses to plateau and delivered a productivity penalty worth £1,000 per household, a Bank of England policymaker has said''

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/brexit-cost-uk-ps1000-per-household-says-bank-of-england-economist_uk_63ea5508e4b0063ccb27b19c#:~:text=cost%20of%20living-,Brexit%20Cost%20UK%20%C2%A31%2C000%20Per%20Household%2C%20Says%20Bank%20Of,its%20tracks%22%20after%20the%20referendum.&text=Brexit%20caused%20investment%20in%20UK,of%20England%20policymaker%20has%20said.

Costs being touted are approx 6% added to food bills

[SydneyRover]

Next question, what was the change you wanted and did you get it?

I didn’t want to be part of a European superstate, so far so good.

And future generations will be poorer for it with joint scientific studies now not going ahead and things such as EASA having to be managed separately in the UK. This means lack of opportunity and added costs to the economy.

https://www.easa.europa.eu/en/the-agency/faqs/brexit#:~:text=From%20January%201%2C%202021%2C%20EASA,smooth%20transfer%20of%20ongoing%20files.

[Ldr]

Next question, what was the change you wanted and did you get it?

I didn’t want to be part of a European superstate, so far so good.

And future generations will be poorer for it with joint scientific studies now not going ahead and things such as EASA having to be managed separately in the UK. This means lack of opportunity and added costs to the economy.

https://www.easa.europa.eu/en/the-agency/faqs/brexit#:~:text=From%20January%201%2C%202021%2C%20EASA,smooth%20transfer%20of%20ongoing%20files.

And this is meant to concern me?

[SydneyRover]

not at all, you make your position quite plain

[Branton Red]

Bregrets, I've had a few.
But then again too few to mention.

[Not Now Kato]

Next question, what was the change you wanted and did you get it?

I didn’t want to be part of a European superstate, so far so good.

And future generations will be poorer for it with joint scientific studies now not going ahead and things such as EASA having to be managed separately in the UK. This means lack of opportunity and added costs to the economy.

https://www.easa.europa.eu/en/the-agency/faqs/brexit#:~:text=From%20January%201%2C%202021%2C%20EASA,smooth%20transfer%20of%20ongoing%20files.

And this is meant to concern me?

Do you have children/grandchildren?

[BillyStubbsTears]

Next question, what was the change you wanted and did you get it?

I didn’t want to be part of a European superstate, so far so good.

And future generations will be poorer for it with joint scientific studies now not going ahead and things such as EASA having to be managed separately in the UK. This means lack of opportunity and added costs to the economy.

https://www.easa.europa.eu/en/the-agency/faqs/brexit#:~:text=From%20January%201%2C%202021%2C%20EASA,smooth%20transfer%20of%20ongoing%20files.

And this is meant to concern me?

Do you have children/grandchildren?

Or the expectation of drawing a pension?

[Ldr]

Next question, what was the change you wanted and did you get it?

I didn’t want to be part of a European superstate, so far so good.

And future generations will be poorer for it with joint scientific studies now not going ahead and things such as EASA having to be managed separately in the UK. This means lack of opportunity and added costs to the economy.

https://www.easa.europa.eu/en/the-agency/faqs/brexit#:~:text=From%20January%201%2C%202021%2C%20EASA,smooth%20transfer%20of%20ongoing%20files.

And this is meant to concern me?

Do you have children/grandchildren?

Non of your business, go back to crying about the EU

[Ldr]

Next question, what was the change you wanted and did you get it?

I didn’t want to be part of a European superstate, so far so good.

And future generations will be poorer for it with joint scientific studies now not going ahead and things such as EASA having to be managed separately in the UK. This means lack of opportunity and added costs to the economy.

https://www.easa.europa.eu/en/the-agency/faqs/brexit#:~:text=From%20January%201%2C%202021%2C%20EASA,smooth%20transfer%20of%20ongoing%20files.

And this is meant to concern me?

Do you have children/grandchildren?

Or the expectation of drawing a pension?

Doubt I'll live long enough

[Not Now Kato]

Next question, what was the change you wanted and did you get it?

I didn’t want to be part of a European superstate, so far so good.

And future generations will be poorer for it with joint scientific studies now not going ahead and things such as EASA having to be managed separately in the UK. This means lack of opportunity and added costs to the economy.

https://www.easa.europa.eu/en/the-agency/faqs/brexit#:~:text=From%20January%201%2C%202021%2C%20EASA,smooth%20transfer%20of%20ongoing%20files.

And this is meant to concern me?

Do you have children/grandchildren?

Non of your business, go back to crying about the EU

But if you do have children/grandchildren then it will be THEIR business; and I can't see them thanking you for taking away the great opportunities being in the EU offered them.  Nor can I see other people's children/grandchildren being grateful either.
 
As for crying about the EU, grow up man!