Nicola Sturgeon

[BillyStubbsTears]

BFYP

Yes, of course they are entitled to their beliefs.

But, if those beliefs include a fundamental intolerance towards people whose lifestyle they deem sinful, and justify that by saying it's what someone wrote 2000 years ago, what they absolutely do NOT have is the right to complain that other people are being intolerant by criticising them.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

I'm not quite sure what I have to think about, my personal beliefs are frankly just that and I have no desire to either debate or be questioned around my personal or religious beliefs frankly nor question those of others as long as they're not killing anyone or forcing it upon others.

If your views are well known and then you become the leader of a political party - are you 'forcing your views on others' if you change the law to match your views?

Yes, but nobody has proposed that have they?

I thought this was a good article this morning;

https://news.sky.com/story/why-straight-talking-kate-forbes-could-open-up-a-future-for-tired-snp-12818466

BFYP

Yes, of course they are entitled to their beliefs.

But, if those beliefs include a fundamental intolerance towards people whose lifestyle they deem sinful, and justify that by saying it's what someone wrote 2000 years ago, what they absolutely do NOT have is the right to complain that other people are being intolerant by criticising them.

I think you're twisting the answers she said to questions she was asked a little bit somewhat there.  She doesn't appear intolerable to others, she'd have voted against it but respects that others did vote for it.  I'm not sure asking someone a question, them answering it then slating them is quite right.  On the same vein she should have refused to answer it and said it's irrelevant, quite naive and showing a lack of experience IMO.

Overall I feel this sentence sums it up quite well;

"it throws an unforgiving spotlight on the stresses and contradictions in the British political culture in which people who claim to be liberal and progressive are nonetheless eager to "cancel" those with divergent opinions."

[BillyStubbsTears]

BFYP

I'm not twisting anything. She, as an elected politician, would have voted to deny gay people the right to have their relationship recognised by law. When asked if she thinks homosexuality is sinful, she COULD have replied, "No, and in any case that has no bearing on how I would vote on that issue. The reason I would vote against it is  X"

Instead she said "The Bible tells us that sin is universal." Which is a bizarre way of putting it. But since she wold presumably not vote against heterosexual marriage, I think it translates as "Yes".

I don't know how you can interpret that other than a lack of tolerance of the rights of gay people, guided by her religion.

And as I say, she has every right to hold that view. What she doesn't have is some magical protection against criticism for holding that view. She and Farron want it both ways. To be given the space for their intolerance, but to be immune from criticism because the intolerance is informed by their religious views.

[BillyStubbsTears]

This, from a married  gay colleague  of Forbes's says it far better than I could.

https://mobile.twitter.com/MhairiBlack/status/1629125518007189504

[danumdon]

I'm still not sure why the debate has become so polarised about this, like others have said, she's demonstrated he views and opinions on certain religious issues and called it like she sees it, no one is captive to her view, you either agree or disagree with her, and she stands or falls on this, she respects others have a totally contrary view to her and she has stated that she will go with the majority be it in a vote for her or her party's view.

The fact that we may not agree with anything she stands for is baked in, like with any other individual who seeks high office, she stands on her convictions and she may also fall just the same.

Our so called liberal tolerant society should be mature enough to deal with her or any other individual who holds views contrary to the majority, it doesn't make them right or wrong.

[scawsby steve]

I'm still not sure why the debate has become so polarised about this, like others have said, she's demonstrated he views and opinions on certain religious issues and called it like she sees it, no one is captive to her view, you either agree or disagree with her, and she stands or falls on this, she respects others have a totally contrary view to her and she has stated that she will go with the majority be it in a vote for her or her party's view.

The fact that we may not agree with anything she stands for is baked in, like with any other individual who seeks high office, she stands on her convictions and she may also fall just the same.

Our so called liberal tolerant society should be mature enough to deal with her or any other individual who holds views contrary to the majority, it doesn't make them right or wrong.

All part of the culture war, DD, and what the "enlightened ones" think. You know, the ones that think only they can put the world to rights.

Keith needs to keep his eye on all this, especially where floating voters are concerned.

[wilts rover]

There are very few votes in the abolition of gay rights. And I would reckon they would all be taken - I doubt Starmer has anything to worry about. The next leader of the SNP might tho:

https://news.gallup.com/poll/1651/gay-lesbian-rights.aspx

[Sprotyrover]

Well that didn’t take too long did it? Obviously hoping that when the Baby Pooh hits the fan Sturgeon will be able to disassociate herself from debacle!

[Sprotyrover]

Looking at her closing swansong in Parliament today all of her detractors comments about, Drug deaths, alcoholic deaths, lack of Doctors and Nurses and the appalling decline in education standards,
She put the blame on the Tories!

[drfchound]

Maybe she should join the VSC forum then.

[Sprotyrover]

Too many foreign twits on here already!

[BillyStubbsTears]

Well, this has thrown a light on the SNP.

They've spent 40 years trying to convince Scots that the party is as left wing as the people of Scotland.

But 48% of members have just voted for a potential leader who is as far to the right as Thatcher was 40 years ago.

And the SNP is currently being investigated by the police over £600k of missing political donations.

They've seemed unbeatable for a decade. Are they now in the process of falling apart?

[nightporter]

'Sturgeon's husband arrested in SNP finance probe'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-65187823

[Metalmicky]

'Sturgeon's husband arrested in SNP finance probe'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-65187823

Could this be the reason for the abrupt departure of NS....? 

It could set the SNP back years if there is anything to it.... time will tell.

[danumdon]

No doubt Sturgeon will have no recollection whatsoever with how hubby has dealt with the finances.

Only a matter of time now before the Scots realise what this poison dwarf and her hubby have been up to.

Massive boost for the Scottish Labour party? could have consequences at the next general election in that Labour do not require the support of this reprehensible mob to enable unfettered control?

[BillyStubbsTears]

I'm not convinced it will make a difference.

The SNP has repeatedly and deliberately lied to the Scottish people about the effect of independence on everything from keeping the Pound to who will pay their pensions.

As with Brexit, there are so many people so emotionally committed to the principle of Scottish Independence, they are impervious to fact. I'm sure many of them will rationalise this problem away.

[danumdon]

We've just spent a few days up there and went to a few different places, nothing scientific but the people who i spoke to seemed to be hinting on something of a sea change in the attitudes towards the SNP leadership, past and present and the negative outcomes it would have for independence.There performance in just running devolved competencies is already a big issue for them.

We all know that there will always be a strong percentage who will not be moved but a week is a long time in politics as they say.

[BillyStubbsTears]

What a shame that the SNP are being exposed as the bunch of con artists with money as well as political policies.

If a party will not be honest with voters over how pensions are paid for, or what the effect of independence would be on the country's finances, why should we be surprised if half a million quid in donations goes walkies?

The fact that the Treasurer who's been arrested today looks like a pre- bollock descended Phil Mitchell doesn't help their case either.

I wonder how Cold War Steve will handle it?

[Colemans Left Hook]

By chance I came across this Obituary from November 21st 2016 (as you do!!)

from The Daily Telegraph

[Sprotyrover]

Nicola Sturgeon has been arrested today 11th June 2023’ and is being questioned re the SNP party finances,there must be some damming evidence for her to be physically arrested and booked into Custody!

[glosterred]

Nicola Sturgeon has been arrested today 11th May 2023’ and is being questioned re the SNP party finances,there must be some damming evidence for her to be physically arrested and booked into Custody!

Thought she’d been arrested to day 11th June, might be wrong though

[Sprotyrover]

Nicola Sturgeon has been arrested today 11th May 2023’ and is being questioned re the SNP party finances,there must be some damming evidence for her to be physically arrested and booked into Custody!

Thought she’d been arrested to day 11th June, might be wrong though

Sorry my Bad!

[Glyn_Wigley]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-65873423?at_medium=RSS&at_campaign=KARANGA

[wilts rover]

Nicola Sturgeon has been arrested today 11th June 2023’ and is being questioned re the SNP party finances,there must be some damming evidence for her to be physically arrested and booked into Custody!

Released without charge. You sure about that 'damming evidence'?

https://twitter.com/NicolaSturgeon/status/1667947057250705408

[Branton Red]

Innocent till proven guilty of course.

But the ongoing nature of this saga must be contributing to the damage being done to the SNP's polling and to a lesser extent to the independence movement.

Especially seeing as they appointed a Sturgeon continuity candidate and close ally as leader.

[scawsby steve]

The SNP had 48 seats at the last GE. With what's going off just now, I would imagine Labour must have a chance of taking a huge chunk of those seats next year.

[Sprotyrover]

Nicola Sturgeon has been arrested today 11th June 2023’ and is being questioned re the SNP party finances,there must be some damming evidence for her to be physically arrested and booked into Custody!

Released without charge. You sure about that 'damming evidence'?

https://twitter.com/NicolaSturgeon/status/1667947057250705408

There are some interesting jibes on her Twitter post! I assume the Scottish Police arrested her to be able to seize, her mobile and search her house for further evidence,and for your info Wilts there must be something very damming for the Police to lock up an ex First minister!

[wilts rover]

Nicola Sturgeon has been arrested today 11th June 2023’ and is being questioned re the SNP party finances,there must be some damming evidence for her to be physically arrested and booked into Custody!

Released without charge. You sure about that 'damming evidence'?

https://twitter.com/NicolaSturgeon/status/1667947057250705408

There are some interesting jibes on her Twitter post! I assume the Scottish Police arrested her to be able to seize, her mobile and search her house for further evidence,and for your info Wilts there must be something very damming for the Police to lock up an ex First minister!

Lot of assuming there sproty.

[Sprotyrover]

Nicola Sturgeon has been arrested today 11th June 2023’ and is being questioned re the SNP party finances,there must be some damming evidence for her to be physically arrested and booked into Custody!

Released without charge. You sure about that 'damming evidence'?

https://twitter.com/NicolaSturgeon/status/1667947057250705408

There are some interesting jibes on her Twitter post! I assume the Scottish Police arrested her to be able to seize, her mobile and search her house for further evidence,and for your info Wilts there must be something very damming for the Police to lock up an ex First minister!

Lot of assuming there sproty.

Yes and she was in Custody for 7 hours 15 minutes, so she has been interviewed for at least 5 of those hours, and after 6 hours she would have had her further detention reviewed by a Senior Police officer who would have had to justify her further detention probably to secure further evidence by means of interview. She is now release under investigation, so at some point she will be formally invited back into Custody or formally informed that she is no longer under investigation, but I doubt that will happen as the Scottish Police have has plenty of time to work out an arrest and interview strategy, they is no smoke without fire!

[Glyn_Wigley]

Nicola Sturgeon has been arrested today 11th June 2023’ and is being questioned re the SNP party finances,there must be some damming evidence for her to be physically arrested and booked into Custody!

Released without charge. You sure about that 'damming evidence'?

https://twitter.com/NicolaSturgeon/status/1667947057250705408

There are some interesting jibes on her Twitter post! I assume the Scottish Police arrested her to be able to seize, her mobile and search her house for further evidence,and for your info Wilts there must be something very damming for the Police to lock up an ex First minister!

Lot of assuming there sproty.

Especially the 'locked up' bit. Some people have a weird idea of what arrest actually means.