Fleetwood Town

[Campsall rover]

They have just signed Stockley from Charlton and Marriott from Peterborough.
Don’t know what wages they are on but I thought Fleetwood had off loaded their biggest earners over the last 18 months.

They would both have been good signings for us.

[steve@dcfd]

They have just signed Stockley from Charlton and Marriott from Peterborough.
Don’t know what wages they are on but I thought Fleetwood had off loaded their biggest earners over the last 18 months.

They would both have been good signings for us.

If we were league 1 we wouldn’t have signed them.
We need to be looking differently but we won’t our transfers this month have shown that.

[bpoolrover]

Fleetwood have a local owner who has spare money and doesn’t mind spending it, he will never get any of it back, allegedly a bit of a dodgy character thou

[vaya]

Fleetwood have a local owner who has spare money and doesn’t mind spending it, he will never get any of it back, allegedly a bit of a dodgy character thou

He's currently on trial for money laundering. I seem to remember reading a while ago the football club owed tens of millions in loans to other companies owned by him.

Whether he has spare money and will never see it back is somewhat questionable.

[roversdude]

Fleetwood have a local owner who has spare money and doesn’t mind spending it, he will never get any of it back, allegedly a bit of a dodgy character thou

He's currently on trial for money laundering. I seem to remember reading a while ago the football club owed tens of millions in loans to other companies owned by him.

Whether he has spare money and will never see it back is somewhat questionable.

Hmmm would rather have our owner it is going to end in tears at  Fleetwood

[scawsby steve]

They have just signed Stockley from Charlton and Marriott from Peterborough.
Don’t know what wages they are on but I thought Fleetwood had off loaded their biggest earners over the last 18 months.

They would both have been good signings for us.

If we were league 1 we wouldn’t have signed them.
We need to be looking differently but we won’t our transfers this month have shown that.

To be fair, Steve, I think Brown and Lavery looked pretty good at Mansfield. I don't know about the others; we'll have to wait and see.

We all know now that it's good defenders we're short of.

[Campsall rover]

Fleetwood have a local owner who has spare money and doesn’t mind spending it, he will never get any of it back, allegedly a bit of a dodgy character thou

He's currently on trial for money laundering. I seem to remember reading a while ago the football club owed tens of millions in loans to other companies owned by him.

Whether he has spare money and will never see it back is somewhat questionable.

Hmmm would rather have our owner it is going to end in tears at  Fleetwood

I have been saying that for quite some time roversdude. 
The fact is they are a very very small town living in the shadow of Blackpool.
They will never get gates of 6.000 even  if they were in the championship ( not because of the capacity of the ground ) They just do not have the population and Blackpool fans will always remain Blackpool fans.
They will only pull in an extra couple of thousand floating fans at best.

So the owner would have to keep pumping in millions every season to keep them from melt down.
It will only last so long before it all goes belly up because he is going to either run out of money, be borrowed up to the eye balls or both.
Both is the most likely scenario.

Yes there are an awful lot of Rovers fans that need to be careful what they wish for.

[Upton Rover]

Some jealousy there I think

[normal rules]

Enjoy it while you can Fleetwood.
It’s only going to end one way.
It’s just a matter of time.

[roversdude]

Think there will be a few more too besides Fleetwood

[Campsall rover]

Some jealousy there I think

What on earth are you talking about Upton. Please explain why on earth you think I am jealous of Fleetwood town.
I can promise you I would not swop with them if they were in the League 1 promotion places.
Any success they have had and may get will be very short lived and they will come crashing down much faster than there rise.
No I would much rather have our business model because long term it will give us the opportunity for sustained success on the pitch. 

[donnievic]

He will be getting the money on the his other company hiring out on of the rooms in the stand

[DonnyBazR0ver]

Just a couple of snippets giving a glimpse into Fleetwood Finances from 2021/22. Can't see any further reporting of the alleged fraud case.

https://mobile.twitter.com/KieranMaguire/status/1440681467135205376

https://avftt.co.uk/index.php?threads/fleetwoods-accounts-for-20-21.30406/

[Chris Black come back]

Laughable gearing - a wage bill in 2020/21 of £6.2m on average gates of around 3,000.

[Lesonthewest]

Good luck to them, showing some real ambition.

[bpoolrover]

Just a couple of snippets giving a glimpse into Fleetwood Finances from 2021/22. Can't see any further reporting of the alleged fraud case.

https://mobile.twitter.com/KieranMaguire/status/1440681467135205376

https://avftt.co.uk/index.php?threads/fleetwoods-accounts-for-20-21.30406/

think the trial is on at the minute but could be mistaken

[bpoolrover]

I think he must have quite a bit of cash as he was the front runner to buy Blackpool

[dickos1]

I think it’s more stupidity rather than ambition and eventually they’ll end up the way of bury or Scunthorpe

[normal rules]

Boom. And then bust.

[steve@dcfd]

Same old cliches
By the way Scunthorpe didn’t overspend the owner stopped spending.

[silent majority]

Same old cliches
By the way Scunthorpe didn’t overspend the owner stopped spending.

Nope! They overspent for many years and then they tried to cut back when it was too late.

[steve@dcfd]

Same old cliches
By the way Scunthorpe didn’t overspend the owner stopped spending.

Nope! They overspent for many years and then they tried to cut back when it was too late.

They are still business just and will endeavour to recover.
Financially we are not in that position but on the field and level of players we have
is declining we all hope we don’t end up going out of the league. Because we won’t have the financial overspending as an excuse.

[Campsall rover]

Same old cliches
By the way Scunthorpe didn’t overspend the owner stopped spending.

Nope! They overspent for many years and then they tried to cut back when it was too late.

They are still business just and will endeavour to recover.
Financially we are not in that position but on the field and level of players we have
is declining we all hope we don’t end up going out of the league. Because we won’t have the financial overspending as an excuse.

Steve we are not going to go out of the league.  You are rightly concerned about where we are I understand that but we are far more likely to finish 7th than 7th from bottom so finishing 23rd or 24th would be catastrophic from where we are points wise at present. It ain’t going to happen.

Next season we should be much stronger. Have a little patience and let the manager get on with it.
This season we are going to be inconsistent, just accept it.  As long as we start to see an definite improvement of performance  over the last 20 games then that’s what’s important.

[bpoolrover]

Same old cliches
By the way Scunthorpe didn’t overspend the owner stopped spending.

Nope! They overspent for many years and then they tried to cut back when it was too late.

They are still business just and will endeavour to recover.
Financially we are not in that position but on the field and level of players we have
is declining we all hope we don’t end up going out of the league. Because we won’t have the financial overspending as an excuse.

Steve we are not going to go out of the league.  You are rightly concerned about where we are I understand that but we are far more likely to finish 7th than 7th from bottom so finishing 23rd or 24th would be catastrophic from where we are points wise at present. It ain’t going to happen.

Next season we should be much stronger. Have a little patience and let the manager get on with it.
This season we are going to be inconsistent, just accept it.  As long as we start to see an definite improvement of performance  over the last 20 games then that’s what’s important.

out of interest why should we be stronger next year? We have 12 players out of contract amd will probably sell less season tickets than this year so have a reduced budget

[Campsall rover]

Same old cliches
By the way Scunthorpe didn’t overspend the owner stopped spending.

Nope! They overspent for many years and then they tried to cut back when it was too late.

They are still business just and will endeavour to recover.
Financially we are not in that position but on the field and level of players we have
is declining we all hope we don’t end up going out of the league. Because we won’t have the financial overspending as an excuse.

Steve we are not going to go out of the league.  You are rightly concerned about where we are I understand that but we are far more likely to finish 7th than 7th from bottom so finishing 23rd or 24th would be catastrophic from where we are points wise at present. It ain’t going to happen.

Next season we should be much stronger. Have a little patience and let the manager get on with it.
This season we are going to be inconsistent, just accept it.  As long as we start to see an definite improvement of performance  over the last 20 games then that’s what’s important.

out of interest why should we be stronger next year? We have 12 players out of contract amd will probably sell less season tickets than this year so have a reduced budget

Let’s see then. I don’t have a crystal ball ( BB has one ).
Hopefully we keep the ones we want to keep and I suspect we will. Clear out the dead wood. Sign 4/5 good players in the summer. 

I am sure that’s the plan.  If all the out of contract players go then let them go. If they don’t want to play for us then they aren’t worth keeping. We would just have to recruit more players.
There are hundreds out of contract in the summer.

There is no way they will reduce the playing budget next season.
The fact we are now in the current healthy financial position means that won’t happen.

If the budget was reduced, then yes the Board are not interested in promotion and then we can justifiably have a serious moan.

The fact is of course they want promotion.

Do you seriously think either Wellens or Schofield would have taken the job if they thought the club had no ambition?
Do you think Copps would have entertained taking his current role if their was no ambition from the board?

[Upton Rover]

Some jealousy there I think

What on earth are you talking about Upton. Please explain why on earth you think I am jealous of Fleetwood town.
I can promise you I would not swop with them if they were in the League 1 promotion places.
Any success they have had and may get will be very short lived and they will come crashing down much faster than there rise.
No I would much rather have our business model because long term it will give us the opportunity for sustained success on the pitch.

Our business model isn’t working though

[dickos1]

Same old cliches
By the way Scunthorpe didn’t overspend the owner stopped spending.

Scunthorpe massively overspent

[Campsall rover]

Some jealousy there I think

What on earth are you talking about Upton. Please explain why on earth you think I am jealous of Fleetwood town.
I can promise you I would not swop with them if they were in the League 1 promotion places.
Any success they have had and may get will be very short lived and they will come crashing down much faster than there rise.
No I would much rather have our business model because long term it will give us the opportunity for sustained success on the pitch.

Our business model isn’t working though

Upton with all due respect, the business model IS WORKING.
The managerial appointments and player recruitment is the bit that has not worked. 
Crikey how many times does this have to be said by so many of us.

Hopefully we have now got it right with Copps and DS.  Give them time for crying out loud.
If we are not top 7 minimum by end of Nov 23 then start moaning because I promise you I will be more than moaning.

[DonnyBazR0ver]

Some jealousy there I think

What on earth are you talking about Upton. Please explain why on earth you think I am jealous of Fleetwood town.
I can promise you I would not swop with them if they were in the League 1 promotion places.
Any success they have had and may get will be very short lived and they will come crashing down much faster than there rise.
No I would much rather have our business model because long term it will give us the opportunity for sustained success on the pitch.

Our business model isn’t working though

Debatable. The business model, the structure within the model then the people employed within the structure are all integral components.

The HoF and head coach structural element has not had enough time yet to bear fruit.

[bpoolrover]

Same old cliches
By the way Scunthorpe didn’t overspend the owner stopped spending.

Nope! They overspent for many years and then they tried to cut back when it was too late.

They are still business just and will endeavour to recover.
Financially we are not in that position but on the field and level of players we have
is declining we all hope we don’t end up going out of the league. Because we won’t have the financial overspending as an excuse.

Steve we are not going to go out of the league.  You are rightly concerned about where we are I understand that but we are far more likely to finish 7th than 7th from bottom so finishing 23rd or 24th would be catastrophic from where we are points wise at present. It ain’t going to happen.

Next season we should be much stronger. Have a little patience and let the manager get on with it.
This season we are going to be inconsistent, just accept it.  As long as we start to see an definite improvement of performance  over the last 20 games then that’s what’s important.

out of interest why should we be stronger next year? We have 12 players out of contract amd will probably sell less season tickets than this year so have a reduced budget

Let’s see then. I don’t have a crystal ball ( BB has one ).
Hopefully we keep the ones we want to keep and I suspect we will. Clear out the dead wood. Sign 4/5 good players in the summer. 

I am sure that’s the plan.  If all the out of contract players go then let them go. If they don’t want to play for us then they aren’t worth keeping. We would just have to recruit more players.
There are hundreds out of contract in the summer.

There is no way they will reduce the playing budget next season.
The fact we are now in the current healthy financial position means that won’t happen.

If the budget was reduced, then yes the Board are not interested in promotion and then we can justifiably have a serious moan.

The fact is of course they want promotion.

Do you seriously think either Wellens or Schofield would have taken the job if they thought the club had no ambition?
Do you think Copps would have entertained taking his current role if their was no ambition from the board?

I’m normally quite optimistic during pre seasons, but the last couple of years has knocked yhat out of me, we need a massive rebuild we have lost more permanent signings than have made, we have not had a decent defensive midfielder for 3 years the only real defensive midfielder we have on the books has left for Bradford, one of the best right backs in this division has left us and been replaced by a loan signing, we have had several opportunities to rebuild a decent squad bus as wellens found he signed 3 players and all the money had gone