Copps interview

[bpoolrover]

“With the resources that we had, it’s been difficult and challenging”

Changes needed

Trust you to see that interview as a negative.

Give me strength.  Everything Copps said in that interview was a positive.
If you’re not happy with our playing budget then you better empty your bank account.

I would rather copps said it how it is, what has annoyed most people is the constant tripe that we have a top 6 budget when it clearly is not true, all we can do now Is get behind the team and hope the new players work out

[GazLaz]

I don’t understand how we can have challenging resources now but at the start of the season we had a very competitive budget and what the club perceived to be the best midfield in League 2.

[no eyed deer]

I knew someone would pick out one line and ignore the rest.

People pick that out because, for people not living in a rose tinted glass bauble that denies the truth, our squad is being produced at a cheap rate where poor resources are given to the training staff, and what is produced from a cheap squad is an unpredictable, poor standard of football. 6 games in February, 5 against clubs above or around us, and the game on Saturday. How many points? I want to be wrong, but I would say 4, maybe 5. Fingers crossed we do better, but i am far from expectant.

Are you suggesting that I'm one of those?

The difference between me and those who keep harping on about our budget and how poor it is are those who are using words like 'cheap rate' and 'cheap squad' without anything to support those opinions. I'm not happy about our league position, but I'm also in a position to know that the budget is more than good enough to get us out of this!

Morecombe's budget was too. Are we in the top six for budgets ?

[dickos1]

I knew someone would pick out one line and ignore the rest.

People pick that out because, for people not living in a rose tinted glass bauble that denies the truth, our squad is being produced at a cheap rate where poor resources are given to the training staff, and what is produced from a cheap squad is an unpredictable, poor standard of football. 6 games in February, 5 against clubs above or around us, and the game on Saturday. How many points? I want to be wrong, but I would say 4, maybe 5. Fingers crossed we do better, but i am far from expectant.

Between 10 and 12
And in the playoffs

[Upton Rover]

Seems to me that the man isn’t happy at all, and not liking how is job is going at the club, I think he’s very limited with the budget and again don’t think he’s happy at all, wouldn’t be surprised to see him leave come season end.

[Beerseller]

It could be that when he says "resources" he means the existing squad just as much as any budget.  It would obviously be wrong of him to say some of the players aren't up to scratch even if we can see that, so maybe he's using the term "resources" in its whole context rather than only monetarily.

[Alan Southstand]

It could be, Beerseller, and there again it could not.

[normal rules]

Signing two players with the same agent as DS undermines everything copps has said.
There are hundreds, if not thousands of football agents in the uk.
What are the chances of little old donny just happening to have three staff, a manager and two players, all with the same agent?
It tells me everything I need to know about player identification and recruitment.
But. It’s where we’re are at.
#rtid.

[normal rules]

Resources = playing budget/wages.

[normal rules]

How can copps say knoyle conducted himself professionally after that tweet?

[sedwardsdrfc]

I’m all for the HoF role in theory. It’s vital at bigger clubs but listening to this I can’t help but think it’s wasted if we have no resources to use the expertise. Could have the best scouting network in the world but if you can’t fund signings it’s wasted.

The summer window is when we’ll hopefully see some out of him in terms of signings the right players long term.

Really hoping this summer is the last rebuild window for a while because it’s been like this every season since McCann left. And no surprise we’ve gone backwards every year.

[Sammy Chung was King]

So it’s challenging to get good players on the budget we have, but the budget is one of the best in the league. Which is it, it can’t be both?

[Campsall rover]

Copps saying the words resources and challenging has been taken totally out of context.

What resources do all the other 23 league 2 clubs have. It’s challenging for all of them.

The way people jump on one line he used and ignored absolutely everything else he said is quite astounding.

[lee.j09]

I knew someone would pick out one line and ignore the rest.

People pick that out because, for people not living in a rose tinted glass bauble that denies the truth, our squad is being produced at a cheap rate where poor resources are given to the training staff, and what is produced from a cheap squad is an unpredictable, poor standard of football. 6 games in February, 5 against clubs above or around us, and the game on Saturday. How many points? I want to be wrong, but I would say 4, maybe 5. Fingers crossed we do better, but i am far from expectant.

Are you suggesting that I'm one of those?

The difference between me and those who keep harping on about our budget and how poor it is are those who are using words like 'cheap rate' and 'cheap squad' without anything to support those opinions. I'm not happy about our league position, but I'm also in a position to know that the budget is more than good enough to get us out of this!

Exactly. Maybe if we all knew there’d be no issue then ?

Difference is many of us don’t know they’ve even changed the way that they used to submit the accounts.

We never hear from the chairman.

I mean going off what most fans see on the pitch we aren’t good enough. As well as the choices we continually go down when recruiting staff similarly.

Well, at least somebody knows!! Is that a good thing? I'm not sure how the club is supposed to deal with that. We, as the VSC, have always had these in depth discussions about the financial picture of the club, after all it's what you'd expect a supporters trust to concentrate on and we've always reported on what we've seen.

Yes the accounts have changed, and I did ask the question as to why when you asked me the last time. I'm expecting a more detailed response from the FD at the club but initially the response I've had so far suggests the tactic is designed to shield our finances from other clubs and deter them from prying too much. In negotiations with others it does help if the others are not too familiar with your profit/loss each season.

Yes, we never hear from the Chairman. I go along with that, he should do much more than he does.

Yes, if we just base our opinions on what we see on the pitch then most would agree we're getting something wrong.

That’s great to know, I’m glad that the FD is going to give us a more detailed response. I suppose the issue here is mainly communication then no?


Are the club doing enough communication wise?
I’d suggest not, there’s a lot of disgruntled fans out there. maybe Now is the time to have some dialogue. Obviously Martin you’re in the know many aren’t though. All we see is what’s happening on the pitch.

If you take a step back and watch what’s happening on the pitch, the “fan experience” on a match day at the eco. Forgetting what you know, what do you think would be your opinion on the club?

It’s certainly hard to look at it without the thoughts of cost cutting in more or less every aspect!

[no eyed deer]

I knew someone would pick out one line and ignore the rest.

People pick that out because, for people not living in a rose tinted glass bauble that denies the truth, our squad is being produced at a cheap rate where poor resources are given to the training staff, and what is produced from a cheap squad is an unpredictable, poor standard of football. 6 games in February, 5 against clubs above or around us, and the game on Saturday. How many points? I want to be wrong, but I would say 4, maybe 5. Fingers crossed we do better, but i am far from expectant.

Are you suggesting that I'm one of those?

The difference between me and those who keep harping on about our budget and how poor it is are those who are using words like 'cheap rate' and 'cheap squad' without anything to support those opinions. I'm not happy about our league position, but I'm also in a position to know that the budget is more than good enough to get us out of this!

Exactly. Maybe if we all knew there’d be no issue then ?

Difference is many of us don’t know they’ve even changed the way that they used to submit the accounts.

We never hear from the chairman.

I mean going off what most fans see on the pitch we aren’t good enough. As well as the choices we continually go down when recruiting staff similarly.

Well, at least somebody knows!! Is that a good thing? I'm not sure how the club is supposed to deal with that. We, as the VSC, have always had these in depth discussions about the financial picture of the club, after all it's what you'd expect a supporters trust to concentrate on and we've always reported on what we've seen.

Yes the accounts have changed, and I did ask the question as to why when you asked me the last time. I'm expecting a more detailed response from the FD at the club but initially the response I've had so far suggests the tactic is designed to shield our finances from other clubs and deter them from prying too much. In negotiations with others it does help if the others are not too familiar with your profit/loss each season.

Yes, we never hear from the Chairman. I go along with that, he should do much more than he does.

Yes, if we just base our opinions on what we see on the pitch then most would agree we're getting something wrong.

That’s great to know, I’m glad that the FD is going to give us a more detailed response. I suppose the issue here is mainly communication then no?


Are the club doing enough communication wise?
I’d suggest not, there’s a lot of disgruntled fans out there. maybe Now is the time to have some dialogue. Obviously Martin you’re in the know many aren’t though. All we see is what’s happening on the pitch.

If you take a step back and watch what’s happening on the pitch, the “fan experience” on a match day at the eco. Forgetting what you know, what do you think would be your opinion on the club?

It’s certainly hard to look at it without the thoughts of cost cutting in more or less every aspect!

Agree 100%

[Lesonthewest]

I knew someone would pick out one line and ignore the rest.

People pick that out because, for people not living in a rose tinted glass bauble that denies the truth, our squad is being produced at a cheap rate where poor resources are given to the training staff, and what is produced from a cheap squad is an unpredictable, poor standard of football. 6 games in February, 5 against clubs above or around us, and the game on Saturday. How many points? I want to be wrong, but I would say 4, maybe 5. Fingers crossed we do better, but i am far from expectant.

Are you suggesting that I'm one of those?

The difference between me and those who keep harping on about our budget and how poor it is are those who are using words like 'cheap rate' and 'cheap squad' without anything to support those opinions. I'm not happy about our league position, but I'm also in a position to know that the budget is more than good enough to get us out of this!

Exactly. Maybe if we all knew there’d be no issue then ?

Difference is many of us don’t know they’ve even changed the way that they used to submit the accounts.

We never hear from the chairman.

I mean going off what most fans see on the pitch we aren’t good enough. As well as the choices we continually go down when recruiting staff similarly.

Well, at least somebody knows!! Is that a good thing? I'm not sure how the club is supposed to deal with that. We, as the VSC, have always had these in depth discussions about the financial picture of the club, after all it's what you'd expect a supporters trust to concentrate on and we've always reported on what we've seen.

Yes the accounts have changed, and I did ask the question as to why when you asked me the last time. I'm expecting a more detailed response from the FD at the club but initially the response I've had so far suggests the tactic is designed to shield our finances from other clubs and deter them from prying too much. In negotiations with others it does help if the others are not too familiar with your profit/loss each season.

Yes, we never hear from the Chairman. I go along with that, he should do much more than he does.

Yes, if we just base our opinions on what we see on the pitch then most would agree we're getting something wrong.

That’s great to know, I’m glad that the FD is going to give us a more detailed response. I suppose the issue here is mainly communication then no?


Are the club doing enough communication wise?
I’d suggest not, there’s a lot of disgruntled fans out there. maybe Now is the time to have some dialogue. Obviously Martin you’re in the know many aren’t though. All we see is what’s happening on the pitch.

If you take a step back and watch what’s happening on the pitch, the “fan experience” on a match day at the eco. Forgetting what you know, what do you think would be your opinion on the club?

It’s certainly hard to look at it without the thoughts of cost cutting in more or less every aspect!

Agree 100%

Me too.

[Move DRFC]

Writing off this season, not lumbering us with more overpriced dead wood unlikely to improve us to the level we need, so we can get players who fit with the new strategy in summer, is long term planning. Whether it works or not remains to be seen.

3 seasons in a row we’ve written off now. Absolutely unforgivable.

[Beerseller]

Resources = playing budget/wages.

Those are financial resources yes.  Other resources include physical and human.  I don't know whether Copps was referring to only financial resources, I haven't asked him.

[silent majority]

I knew someone would pick out one line and ignore the rest.

People pick that out because, for people not living in a rose tinted glass bauble that denies the truth, our squad is being produced at a cheap rate where poor resources are given to the training staff, and what is produced from a cheap squad is an unpredictable, poor standard of football. 6 games in February, 5 against clubs above or around us, and the game on Saturday. How many points? I want to be wrong, but I would say 4, maybe 5. Fingers crossed we do better, but i am far from expectant.

Are you suggesting that I'm one of those?

The difference between me and those who keep harping on about our budget and how poor it is are those who are using words like 'cheap rate' and 'cheap squad' without anything to support those opinions. I'm not happy about our league position, but I'm also in a position to know that the budget is more than good enough to get us out of this!

Exactly. Maybe if we all knew there’d be no issue then ?

Difference is many of us don’t know they’ve even changed the way that they used to submit the accounts.

We never hear from the chairman.

I mean going off what most fans see on the pitch we aren’t good enough. As well as the choices we continually go down when recruiting staff similarly.

Well, at least somebody knows!! Is that a good thing? I'm not sure how the club is supposed to deal with that. We, as the VSC, have always had these in depth discussions about the financial picture of the club, after all it's what you'd expect a supporters trust to concentrate on and we've always reported on what we've seen.

Yes the accounts have changed, and I did ask the question as to why when you asked me the last time. I'm expecting a more detailed response from the FD at the club but initially the response I've had so far suggests the tactic is designed to shield our finances from other clubs and deter them from prying too much. In negotiations with others it does help if the others are not too familiar with your profit/loss each season.

Yes, we never hear from the Chairman. I go along with that, he should do much more than he does.

Yes, if we just base our opinions on what we see on the pitch then most would agree we're getting something wrong.

That’s great to know, I’m glad that the FD is going to give us a more detailed response. I suppose the issue here is mainly communication then no?


Are the club doing enough communication wise?
I’d suggest not, there’s a lot of disgruntled fans out there. maybe Now is the time to have some dialogue. Obviously Martin you’re in the know many aren’t though. All we see is what’s happening on the pitch.

If you take a step back and watch what’s happening on the pitch, the “fan experience” on a match day at the eco. Forgetting what you know, what do you think would be your opinion on the club?

It’s certainly hard to look at it without the thoughts of cost cutting in more or less every aspect!

The question you’re asking though Lee is not one that fits in this particular thread, and this should remain as a discussion about Copps interview.

I do have an opinion on the state of the club at the moment, but it’s not one that fits here.

[Filo]

A £4m playing budget for a 25 man squad averages £3076 a week, I know its not as simple as that and there will be other costs, and I don’t know what our playing budget is, but for me thats is a decent L2 wage

[oggycompton]

Bar the loss of Knoyle I don't think any of the players leaving the club will be missed by many. In fact, I would argue (wasn't there so can't say for sure) that the new boys seem to add a lot more to the team.

I'm hoping today that he goes 2 up top and gets someone around Miller and a couple of the other bright sparks to take part also. Rowe is back, and Oluwu is back as well.

I just have a feeling we could get a decent high-scoring win today.

[Scooter]

It is interesting how we all think differently. I’ve read the comments on the thread and then watched the interview. I have not focused on negatives and thought it was a good interview.
Communication is essential and Copps always answers as honestly as he can. I’m feeling more positive going into todays game.
The disruption of games has prevented a lack of rhythm so with games coming thick and fast that should change

I wonder how many HoF give interviews like that. Now if only are Chairman did that…

[Barmby Rover]

I knew someone would pick out one line and ignore the rest.

My apologies, the board is marvellous, the owners are putting millions in every year and we are going to fly with the squad we have. Everything is perfect at the club in terms of the players and management, and especially the board. Carry on.

People pick that out because, for people not living in a rose tinted glass bauble that denies the truth, our squad is being produced at a cheap rate where poor resources are given to the training staff, and what is produced from a cheap squad is an unpredictable, poor standard of football. 6 games in February, 5 against clubs above or around us, and the game on Saturday. How many points? I want to be wrong, but I would say 4, maybe 5. Fingers crossed we do better, but i am far from expectant.

Are you suggesting that I'm one of those?

The difference between me and those who keep harping on about our budget and how poor it is are those who are using words like 'cheap rate' and 'cheap squad' without anything to support those opinions. I'm not happy about our league position, but I'm also in a position to know that the budget is more than good enough to get us out of this!

[ForsolongaRover]

I may be wrong, but I guess that Blunt is the first chairman we’ve had going back before the time of Mr Wilson, was it Frank(?), in the McMenemy days, that has never made himself available for interview.

One would be forgiven for believing that he either thinks he is too important to offer himself for questioning or dare not risk it.

Either way, as a Chairman who does not merely endorse decisions made at subordinate levels, but who (we are told) directly manages at a high level, he is accountable, not only to his fellow shareholders, but in a business very dependent on the support of his “customers”, under a moral duty to make himself available for questioning by the fans.

Critical fans of any Football Club with a simplistic view of the current decline might always go with the “Sack the Board” slogan, but when the Executive Chairman of the Board is not prepared to explain himself you could quite justifiably classify the leadership of the Governing Authority as failing in his wider role and question his competence.

[Barmby Rover]

I knew someone would pick out one line and ignore the rest.

My apologies, the board is marvellous, the owners are putting millions in every year and we are going to fly with the squad we have. Everything is perfect at the club in terms of the players and management, and especially the board. Carry on.

People pick that out because, for people not living in a rose tinted glass bauble that denies the truth, our squad is being produced at a cheap rate where poor resources are given to the training staff, and what is produced from a cheap squad is an unpredictable, poor standard of football. 6 games in February, 5 against clubs above or around us, and the game on Saturday. How many points? I want to be wrong, but I would say 4, maybe 5. Fingers crossed we do better, but i am far from expectant.

Are you suggesting that I'm one of those?

The difference between me and those who keep harping on about our budget and how poor it is are those who are using words like 'cheap rate' and 'cheap squad' without anything to support those opinions. I'm not happy about our league position, but I'm also in a position to know that the budget is more than good enough to get us out of this!

Let's go on real evidence then, how was today's game?

[bpoolrover]

 None of the players we have signed are much good if this is a good transfer window for copps he needs to go as well

[roverstillidie91]

A £4m playing budget for a 25 man squad averages £3076 a week, I know its not as simple as that and there will be other costs, and I don’t know what our playing budget is, but for me thats is a decent L2 wage

I wouldn't have thought our wage bill for players and staff would be 4 million, more like 2 or 3 I'd say. Well just my opinion

[ian1980]

I knew someone would pick out one line and ignore the rest.

People pick that out because, for people not living in a rose tinted glass bauble that denies the truth, our squad is being produced at a cheap rate where poor resources are given to the training staff, and what is produced from a cheap squad is an unpredictable, poor standard of football. 6 games in February, 5 against clubs above or around us, and the game on Saturday. How many points? I want to be wrong, but I would say 4, maybe 5. Fingers crossed we do better, but i am far from expectant.

Are you suggesting that I'm one of those?

The difference between me and those who keep harping on about our budget and how poor it is are those who are using words like 'cheap rate' and 'cheap squad' without anything to support those opinions. I'm not happy about our league position, but I'm also in a position to know that the budget is more than good enough to get us out of this!

If the budget is good enough to get us out of this, and also for us to be in and around the play offs, something else is clearly going wrong somewhere.

This hasn’t happened over night, it’s been over a couple of seasons, a couple of managers and yet we’re still sliding. The relationship between club and fans also seams to be eroding at a rapid rate.

I don’t know the answer but how far do we have to fall? Something needs doing as I’m struggling to see any positives about the whole club at the minute

[sedwardsdrfc]

Must say if we don’t play better how can we sell the window as good! I’ve defended it but it’s not looking like we are any better at all

[ncRover]

I’m sure we’ll have another round of positivity from the staff and players to prepare us for Tuesday