Perspective required

[Chris Black come back]

The reason we have been terrible the last 2 years now is because we have recruited terribly. The only exception would be the brief period at very tail end of Moore and then Butler where we had a decent squad of players, but confidence had seemingly totally gone.

Since then though we have had several windows of very poor recruitment under successive managers. As a result we have had a poor group of players that any manager was going to struggle to mould into a credible side.

Appointing McSheffrey was patently an absurd decision but Wellens and Schofield are at worse average managers, it was the players they had or recruited that led us to the results we had.

[DonnyOsmond]

SS
Yep, my mistake.

Dickos. That's not the point under discussion. I was wrong to us the term "dominating". The point is, whether there's any sense in the Mansfield xG Vs us, and our xG Vs Hartlepool being similar. I find in baffling that anyone could watch those two matches and answer "yes".

Mansfield had a handful of decent chances from their 11 shots.

We had lots of very low quality chances that add up from our 17 shots.

I've pointed out 7 very good chances that Mansfield had.

FFS, no one's disagreed with you on that. Each of those chances will have been assigned a xG score based on historical probabilities similar chances have resulted in a goal and that'll add up to a similar number compared to our lots of little xG scores. It's not that difficult and something you don't need to let ruin your life.

[NickDRFC]

Per the Athletic, our xG against Hartlepool was 0.48 and Mansfield’s against us was 1.07. I wouldn’t call those similar numbers, where have you seen that they are the same, DonnyOsmond?

[DonnyOsmond]

Per the Athletic, our xG against Hartlepool was 0.48 and Mansfield’s against us was 1.07. I wouldn’t call those similar numbers, where have you seen that they are the same, DonnyOsmond?

That was BSTs original comment. Different providers calculate it differently anyway. Fotmob has us v Hartlepool at 0.95, Mansfield v us at 1.07. WyScout has both slightly more elevated than that.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Per the Athletic, our xG against Hartlepool was 0.48 and Mansfield’s against us was 1.07. I wouldn’t call those similar numbers, where have you seen that they are the same, DonnyOsmond?

I was looking here https://footystats.org/clubs/doncaster-rovers-fc-231

Rovers Vs Hartlepool 1.31
Mansfield Vs us 1.56

Those are a world away from the figures you're quoting, which kind of makes my point: that free xG stats at our level are finger in the wind guesswork.

[pib]

Per the Athletic, our xG against Hartlepool was 0.48 and Mansfield’s against us was 1.07. I wouldn’t call those similar numbers, where have you seen that they are the same, DonnyOsmond?

I was looking here https://footystats.org/clubs/doncaster-rovers-fc-231

Rovers Vs Hartlepool 1.31
Mansfield Vs us 1.56

Those are a world away from the figures you're quoting, which kind of makes my point: that free xG stats at our level are finger in the wind guesswork.

I'm pretty sure DO has posted on here before that he doesn't use free stats and pays for the platform, so I would imagine that data is more truthful as it's what clubs are presumably using.

I sincerely hope our club are using such stats (from a reliable source, of course) and aren't dismissing them as guesswork.

[Colemans Left Hook]

SS
Yep, my mistake.

Dickos. That's not the point under discussion. I was wrong to us the term "dominating". The point is, whether there's any sense in the Mansfield xG Vs us, and our xG Vs Hartlepool being similar. I find in baffling that anyone could watch those two matches and answer "yes".

Mansfield had a handful of decent chances from their 11 shots.

We had lots of very low quality chances that add up from our 17 shots.

I've pointed out 7 very good chances that Mansfield had.

FFS, no one's disagreed with you on that. Each of those chances will have been assigned a xG score based on historical probabilities similar chances have resulted in a goal and that'll add up to a similar number compared to our lots of little xG scores. It's not that difficult and something you don't need to let ruin your life.

can i suggest if you want to learn how each "platform"calculates the match odds ( i presume these sites come up with  match odds ? "then you compare what major variations that will exist for the friends re-united match on Saturday - I shouldn't have to tell you whats been going on

Mansfield v The Gillingham Lazurus's  (who haved scored more goals in their last 4 matches (8 goals iin their last 4 league matches)  than in their previous 23 where they scored 7 

Surely this XG lark is streetwise to own goals  - The Carlisle center half rolled the ball into his own net against Hopeless Harrogate - and by any logical system that doesn't count as a win.

[ForsolongaRover]

In this assessment scheme it would be interesting to discover whether the pace of the shot is computed as part of the measure because speed can increase the chances of beating the defence and Goalkeeper.

If it isn’t part of the system, I would observe that the power behind shots in the Premier League by the players in those teams is generally noticeably greater. This factor would make the x value apply most significantly amongst the average ability players and diminish the accuracy as shooting velocity reduces. Thus they would be less reliable in League 2.

[dickos1]

The reason we have been terrible the last 2 years now is because we have recruited terribly. The only exception would be the brief period at very tail end of Moore and then Butler where we had a decent squad of players, but confidence had seemingly totally gone.

Since then though we have had several windows of very poor recruitment under successive managers. As a result we have had a poor group of players that any manager was going to struggle to mould into a credible side.

Appointing McSheffrey was patently an absurd decision but Wellens and Schofield are at worse average managers, it was the players they had or recruited that led us to the results we had.

Bit harsh to criticise schofield recruitment isn’t it?

[jmt23]

I am positive DS will eventually turn us around. People saying he is poor, not the right man, or even want him out, it’s just bonkers. This sh**t show is down to the 3 managers before him, and it will take time to unravel, it will not happen overnight.

His signings so far are better than we currently have, or had - I’m quite excited by what could come in the summer if they are anything to go by.

The team he inherited are shot confidence wise, and need to try and find a run of games - they are also scared of how the crowd are reacting