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Is it an exception?The UK isn't really so well governed is it I'm not saying the UK might not be better off economically by succumbing to Europe... But would it really be better off?The UK is a special place. Modern capitalism began here. It is the crucible of democracy. The industrial revolution was forged here. Can we really afford to give up our independence. Can we ?
Great Britain has been losing its global dominance for generations and was nothing to do with being part of the the EU. Overlooking the fact that the UK always had a significant influence on the direction and laws of the EU is a bit disingenuous. It was never them imposing their will on us.
You going to do the next Penny Mordaunt video DD?
I've obviously missed it in all the reoprts, I have not read the framework, but what checks are made on goods/produce crossing both ways from NI to SI if there is no border?
Quote from: ravenrover on March 02, 2023, 09:21:30 amI've obviously missed it in all the reoprts, I have not read the framework, but what checks are made on goods/produce crossing both ways from NI to SI if there is no border?It's basically all reliant on good faith as far as I can see.Goods travelling from UK to NI meant for consumption in NI can go across the Irish Sea without checks.Goods going from UK to Ireland through NI require border checks in Irish Sea.How they police what happens to the former and stop them going on into Ireland is anyone's guess. Sounds like a smuggler's paradise in an area where smuggling across the NI/Ireland border was rife before the SM.
There is something else. Germany, Italy, they are relatively new countries. It's not so difficult to accept change. The UK is so ancient giving up traditions is hard. Giving up control asks a lot
Quote from: River Don on February 28, 2023, 11:34:37 pmThere is something else. Germany, Italy, they are relatively new countries. It's not so difficult to accept change. The UK is so ancient giving up traditions is hard. Giving up control asks a lot 'Ancient'! The UK is 222 years old - only 20 years older than my house. It was formed by the Act of Union in 1801 - with a German King on the throne ruling it.
Quote from: wilts rover on March 02, 2023, 07:26:00 pmQuote from: River Don on February 28, 2023, 11:34:37 pmThere is something else. Germany, Italy, they are relatively new countries. It's not so difficult to accept change. The UK is so ancient giving up traditions is hard. Giving up control asks a lot 'Ancient'! The UK is 222 years old - only 20 years older than my house. It was formed by the Act of Union in 1801 - with a German King on the throne ruling it.It's actually only 100 years and 3 months old. 2 years younger than my house.
Let's wait and see what the Unionists say.Some of them are spitting fire about the fact that the ECJ will still have jurisdiction in NI. And as I've noted previously, the ongoing presence of NI in the SM makes a mockery of the insistence from Brexiteers that the 2016 vote was an unequivocal mandate to take the UK out of the SM.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on February 28, 2023, 08:51:01 pmLet's wait and see what the Unionists say.Some of them are spitting fire about the fact that the ECJ will still have jurisdiction in NI. And as I've noted previously, the ongoing presence of NI in the SM makes a mockery of the insistence from Brexiteers that the 2016 vote was an unequivocal mandate to take the UK out of the SM. Well, the DUP have now officially rejected this deal.This bloke sums up what some of us have been saying for 7 years.https://twitter.com/ShippersUnbound/status/1637810598753779712?s=20
Quote from: i_ateallthepies on March 01, 2023, 09:54:43 amGreat Britain has been losing its global dominance for generations and was nothing to do with being part of the the EU. Overlooking the fact that the UK always had a significant influence on the direction and laws of the EU is a bit disingenuous. It was never them imposing their will on us.Aye, nobody seems to remember that 27 countries were giving part of their sovereignty to us at the same time.
Quote from: Glyn_Wigley on March 01, 2023, 10:16:48 amQuote from: i_ateallthepies on March 01, 2023, 09:54:43 amGreat Britain has been losing its global dominance for generations and was nothing to do with being part of the the EU. Overlooking the fact that the UK always had a significant influence on the direction and laws of the EU is a bit disingenuous. It was never them imposing their will on us.Aye, nobody seems to remember that 27 countries were giving part of their sovereignty to us at the same time.Aye from all the evidence I have seen they been mainly giving us the part of their society they Don't want!
DDYour post is a master example of how the media have addled people's brain in the issue of the EU.The EU regulations on including hidden economy output in national figures applied and still does apply to all EU countries.No-one was picking on the UK. Ok?
DD, a couple of days ago I wrote about the our unemployment number being as high as 1.5million in the 1974/79 Labour government period and was told that it never got that high.So, I copied and pasted an article which stated what I had written but no evidence to the contrary has been mentioned by you know who.