Club statement

[GazLaz]

It just feels like we are lunging from one plan to the next with no real long term thought. This time last year Coppinger was the answer to our prayers, this year we need to throw some money at the issues in the short term. This decision was made weeks after the January transfer window closed and we tied up funds on a striker that has proved to be surplus to requirements as of the start of April.

[Cramby10]

It just feels like we are lunging from one plan to the next with no real long term thought. This time last year Coppinger was the answer to our prayers, this year we need to throw some money at the issues in the short term. This decision was made weeks after the January transfer window closed and we tied up funds on a striker that has proved to be surplus to requirements as of the start of April.

spot on.
People also may or may not forget that Copps has been on the panel when identifying players since Wellens came before becoming HoF. Is no one putting 2 and 2 together yet?

[ravenrover]

It just feels like we are lunging from one plan to the next with no real long term thought. This time last year Coppinger was the answer to our prayers, this year we need to throw some money at the issues in the short term. This decision was made weeks after the January transfer window closed and we tied up funds on a striker that has proved to be surplus to requirements as of the start of April.

Which striker is this Gaz?

[Upton Rover]

It just feels like we are lunging from one plan to the next with no real long term thought. This time last year Coppinger was the answer to our prayers, this year we need to throw some money at the issues in the short term. This decision was made weeks after the January transfer window closed and we tied up funds on a striker that has proved to be surplus to requirements as of the start of April.

Which striker is this Gaz?

Spot on

[steve@dcfd]

Between now and the end of the season will show that bad decision making has led to our decline.
From the end of this season to the start of next we will see if with extra funds the decision making is better.
But why wasn’t extra funds available in January if so would we have signed and loaned same players??
Look at Gillingham our opponents today since the transfer window opened they have won 9 and drawn 3 of their league games yes there are losses as well but they spent money whether to much we will see but they climbed away from relegation. In the same period we have won 4 and drawn 2 and gone out of contention of the play offs another 5 wins and we would have been sat right in the middle of the playoffs.

[dickos1]

It really is remarkable
People have been moaning for at least a couple of years that the funds aren’t good enough.
Now the owner has come out and said extra funds are being made available and now this is being turned into a negative.
I can’t see how the plan has changed at all it just means we’ve got more resource to carry out the plan.
Which was obviously needed

[BillyStubbsTears]

Sustainability means the ability to be maintained at a certain level. In Rovers' case, the concern is what level that will be.

Read Bramall's words. He wants us higher than L2.

And as SM has said countless times, the sustainability model works better at L1 than it does at L2.

I find it astonishing how many people have responded to today's news with a "See, I told you we were going to carrying on downhill" tone.

What exactly do some folk want?

I've read Bramall's words and I'm in full support of his ambition.

I hope you're not referring to me regarding a negative response to TB's announcement.

Then your post was a very strange one.

Why should there be concern about the level which sustainability will settle is at

[DonnyOsmond]

It really is remarkable
People have been moaning for at least a couple of years that the funds aren’t good enough.
Now the owner has come out and said extra funds are being made available and now this is being turned into a negative.
I can’t see how the plan has changed at all it just means we’ve got more resource to carry out the plan.
Which was obviously needed

Most of the posts have said the main problem isn't a lack of funding but other issues, some have mentioned the manager, some poor recruitment, etc. Even with more money we would still have the same people making those poor decisions but just wasting more of TBs money. It's brilliant that he's happy to put in more but we need processes in place to make better decisions than we have been doing for the last few years.

[dickos1]

I think the overall negativity stems from the perceived lack of funding.
Look at the netto brigade and the majority of posts on social media, all going on about a lack of spending.

[Upton Rover]

It really is remarkable
People have been moaning for at least a couple of years that the funds aren’t good enough.
Now the owner has come out and said extra funds are being made available and now this is being turned into a negative.
I can’t see how the plan has changed at all it just means we’ve got more resource to carry out the plan.
Which was obviously needed

Your spot on about moaning for a couple of years, because we have been poor for the past couple of years, and like someone said, why wasn’t there a cash injection in January?? It just doesn’t add up

[DonnyOsmond]

I think the overall negativity stems from the perceived lack of funding.
Look at the netto brigade and the majority of posts on social media, all going on about a lack of spending.

I have seen some confused as to how we apparently had a budget to bounce back decisively yet we find out out that its a mid table budget.

[Alan Southstand]

And now we find that there were no resources in January to help push us up the table! (See SM’s post on another thread).

[BillyStubbsTears]

It really is remarkable
People have been moaning for at least a couple of years that the funds aren’t good enough.
Now the owner has come out and said extra funds are being made available and now this is being turned into a negative.
I can’t see how the plan has changed at all it just means we’ve got more resource to carry out the plan.
Which was obviously needed

Your spot on about moaning for a couple of years, because we have been poor for the past couple of years, and like someone said, why wasn’t there a cash injection in January?? It just doesn’t add up

We have a weak squad. Chucking money around in a January window is a VERY poor way of addressing that. It might, possibly have squeaked us into the playoffs. But it would have been a very inefficient way of patching up a squad that would have been unlikely to a) win the playoffs or b) compete at L1 level if we had.

There's a bit of patience required. I'm as frustrated as anyone over how badly we've recruited these past 2 years. But that has happened and you cannot put that right overnight. You have to wait for some of the bad decisions to work their way off the wage bill.

The way I see it, with the previous funding model, that was going to take 2 years and require some very inspired recruitment. Bramall's additional money probably shaves a year off that. 

[BigH]

I feel for TB.

Since Dick and Andrew Watson left the fray he's had to rely on the guidance of others, certainly when it comes to the footballing side. He must be feeling pretty let down (as indeed we all are).

All credit to him for offering up an injection of funds; the one thing he can control. Unfortunately, the fact that it's been met with a degree of cynicism in certain quarters must make him realise that money alone is not the answer.

Right now, I don't know what the answer is.

[Alan Southstand]

We have a weak squad. Chucking money around in a January window is a VERY poor way of addressing that. It might, possibly have squeaked us into the playoffs.

Agreed, BST, but it worked for Gillingham (I accept theirs was a different circumstance). What their experience did show, though, that there were much better players available in January than what we ended up recruiting!

[Ronnie Dovers]

It really is remarkable
People have been moaning for at least a couple of years that the funds aren’t good enough.
Now the owner has come out and said extra funds are being made available and now this is being turned into a negative.
I can’t see how the plan has changed at all it just means we’ve got more resource to carry out the plan.
Which was obviously needed

Your spot on about moaning for a couple of years, because we have been poor for the past couple of years, and like someone said, why wasn’t there a cash injection in January?? It just doesn’t add up

We have a weak squad. Chucking money around in a January window is a VERY poor way of addressing that. It might, possibly have squeaked us into the playoffs. But it would have been a very inefficient way of patching up a squad that would have been unlikely to a) win the playoffs or b) compete at L1 level if we had.

There's a bit of patience required. I'm as frustrated as anyone over how badly we've recruited these past 2 years. But that has happened and you cannot put that right overnight. You have to wait for some of the bad decisions to work their way off the wage bill.

The way I see it, with the previous funding model, that was going to take 2 years and require some very inspired recruitment. Bramall's additional money probably shaves a year off that.

But our weak squad had us just outside of the playoffs, with a new manager and style of play to support. Surely some ambition in that situation was warranted?

To be clear, I'm making this point completely separately to the statement from TB yesterday. Generally speaking I'm very supportive of that statement.

[Sprotyrover]

Cicero said “unlimited funds are the Sinews of war”
TB has the funds to completely re build the squad
And that’s what he should do This is his last chance to leave his legacy with the club,Blunts paltry £20 million could easily fund promotion but he won’t commit a Penny TB can easily fund two successfull back to back promotions into the Championship.
End of. Does he really want to be the Richest man in the Cemetery ?

[i_ateallthepies]

We don't know with certainty whether our poor performances this season are due to:

1.  Poor quality of signings because those whose job it is to identify players aren't up to the job or

2.  Whether the budget was so poor that despite competent staff identifying targets we weren't able to make quality signings or

3.  We have a decent squad signed by competent staff which is being misused by a useless Head Coach.

 Perhaps a combination of any two or all three.

Either way I applaud Mr Bramall for his generosity but hope that if the problem is 1. or 3. in that list then measures are put in place to resolve the staffing competence problems.

[GazLaz]

We don’t have a process to get value for money with signings. We need to spend money creating that process before we try to go mad signing players.

[StocksArmy]

Reading this forum i very much feel for TB. Guy could sign Mbappe and get pelted

[Bills view]

What is the plan for a successful team though. Can anyone see what this has been for a number of years now.

I remember people commenting about a lack of pace, lack of aggression, lack of strength and certainly a lack of quality. These have never been addressed.

With no sound of plan, how can we make progress

[Upton Rover]

Reading this forum i very much feel for TB. Guy could sign Mbappe and get pelted

It’s a debate, on a poor run team

[Glyn_Wigley]

Cicero said “unlimited funds are the Sinews of war”
TB has the funds to completely re build the squad
And that’s what he should do This is his last chance to leave his legacy with the club,Blunts paltry £20 million could easily fund promotion but he won’t commit a Penny TB can easily fund two successfull back to back promotions into the Championship.
End of. Does he really want to be the Richest man in the Cemetery ?

Aye, f**k his family. They don't need to inherit anything, it's far more important that Rovers bleed him dry first.

[StocksArmy]

Reading this forum i very much feel for TB. Guy could sign Mbappe and get pelted

It’s a debate, on a poor run team

The debate is being led by complete speculation. He said hes going to spend some cash so we should wait and see what happens.

[donnybez]

So I've taken 24 hrs to fully digest that statement.

Firstly I commend TB on speaking out. It can't be easy throwing money at something and getting hate and criticism back. That being said, I felt it was a very expensive sticking plaster exercise.

Clearly the club has an issue within the leadership structure on the field. It has an issue with identifying, attracting, and signing the right player. It has an issue with attracting and hiring the correct manager to succeed at the club.

Whilst all of that is recoverable, it requires analysis of whose in the club and what role they've played.

I didn't expect him to come out all guns blazing, but I did feel his statement lacked a degree of honesty.

“During this time, as a supporter base, you have shown incredibly loyalty to Doncaster Rovers, through both the pandemic and relegation to League Two.  Losing only 26 season ticket holders despite relegation was a phenomenal show of support and even over the past month, the number of individuals who have renewed their season membership for next season has been encouraging.

"Personally, I feel now is the time to reward the perseverance and loyalty of both our supporters and staff.

"I do not believe this club belongs in League Two.  I am now 80 and I want to see the club do more than survive - I want it to thrive. For this reason, I will be putting forward a significant financial injection into first team resources for next season."

Whilst I wouldn't expect a blunt assessment... the complete avoidance of any negativity over these past 2 years is a tad surprising? It's clear for all to see and hear and not tackling that head on and ensuring someone takes that responsibility doesn't fill me with confidence.

That said, I am one of those muppets with a ST for next season so I truly hope and pray that this time next year I'm back to being silently content at how my clubs being run, with some tangible degree of effort on the field.

RTID

[Sprotyrover]

Cicero said “unlimited funds are the Sinews of war”
TB has the funds to completely re build the squad
And that’s what he should do This is his last chance to leave his legacy with the club,Blunts paltry £20 million could easily fund promotion but he won’t commit a Penny TB can easily fund two successfull back to back promotions into the Championship.
End of. Does he really want to be the Richest man in the Cemetery ?

Aye, f**k his family. They don't need to inherit anything, it's far more important that Rovers bleed him dry first.
[/quotesisnt Bill gate give his kids £3 million
Each “if you can’t get by on that it’s tough
The £40/50 billions are going to worthy causes

[mushRTID]

We don’t have a process to get value for money with signings. We need to spend money creating that process before we try to go mad signing players.

Go on then, I’ll ask as you do hint and refer to this a lot.

What would you implement?

[GazLaz]

We don’t have a process to get value for money with signings. We need to spend money creating that process before we try to go mad signing players.

Go on then, I’ll ask as you do hint and refer to this a lot.

What would you implement?

Have we even got a recruitment department for starters!?!

[karlos]

As some people would say on here just give him till the end of the season and then evaluate.!

[Bentley Bullet]

Sustainability means the ability to be maintained at a certain level. In Rovers' case, the concern is what level that will be.

Read Bramall's words. He wants us higher than L2.

And as SM has said countless times, the sustainability model works better at L1 than it does at L2.

I find it astonishing how many people have responded to today's news with a "See, I told you we were going to carrying on downhill" tone.

What exactly do some folk want?

I've read Bramall's words and I'm in full support of his ambition.

I hope you're not referring to me regarding a negative response to TB's announcement.

Then your post was a very strange one.

Why should there be concern about the level which sustainability will settle is at

We've been relegated twice from league one, so hopefully, the sustainability model that works better at L1 level will work even better with TB's increased cash input. The thing is, can we still claim to be sustainable if TB keeps having to inject his own cash into the team?