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Butchers Red

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Process Update - First Half Stats
« on April 18, 2023, 08:34:57 pm by Butchers Red »
So at half time tonight The Process yields....
Goals
Home 1 Away 0
Possession
Home50%Away50%
Shots
Home7Away0
Shots on Target
Home2Away0
Corners
Home1Away0

Utterly pathetic, for god sake someone get rid of this fool.


Fouls
Home5Away3



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BillyStubbsTears

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Re: Process Update - First Half Stats
« Reply #1 on April 18, 2023, 08:39:58 pm by BillyStubbsTears »
So at half time tonight The Process yields....
Goals
Home 1 Away 0
Possession
Home50%Away50%
Shots
Home7Away0
Shots on Target
Home2Away0
Corners
Home1Away0

Utterly pathetic, for god sake someone get rid of this fool.


Fouls
Home5Away3

What, exactly, do you expect with a side that would undoubtedly struggle to survive in the Conference.

Really. What ARE you expecting?

Butchers Red

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Re: Process Update - First Half Stats
« Reply #2 on April 18, 2023, 08:45:20 pm by Butchers Red »
So at half time tonight The Process yields....
Goals
Home 1 Away 0
Possession
Home50%Away50%
Shots
Home7Away0
Shots on Target
Home2Away0
Corners
Home1Away0

Utterly pathetic, for god sake someone get rid of this fool.


Fouls
Home5Away3

What, exactly, do you expect with a side that would undoubtedly struggle to survive in the Conference.

Really. What ARE you expecting?



Expecting ??

Merely hoping like hell the worst Football Manager I have ever witnessed get's kicked out pronto. Not a personal thing at all, and regarding his coaching abilities I have no view-but League Football is a RESULTS business plain and simple, he has to go NOW


Dare to dream!

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Re: Process Update - First Half Stats
« Reply #3 on April 18, 2023, 08:46:01 pm by Dare to dream! »
BST, this isn’t good enough. That was shocking.

He’s playing a system the players don’t know how to play and can’t play. You’re telling me that lot can’t play better than the first half they’ve just served up?

Pside

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Re: Process Update - First Half Stats
« Reply #4 on April 18, 2023, 08:46:39 pm by Pside »
This is almost sabotage by the owners now. Keeping him in a job is just ludicrous

Dare to dream!

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Re: Process Update - First Half Stats
« Reply #5 on April 18, 2023, 08:47:08 pm by Dare to dream! »
We got over the half way line twice.

Absolutely appalling.

ncRover

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Re: Process Update - First Half Stats
« Reply #6 on April 18, 2023, 08:47:52 pm by ncRover »
Like for like substitutions again…

DD

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Re: Process Update - First Half Stats
« Reply #7 on April 18, 2023, 08:50:41 pm by DD »
The Stevenage commentators noted after just 15 mins that “Donny playing out from back is suicidal at this level” on 30 mins “Dont they learn?”

Also - stats have it as 50:50 possession??? But all play is in our half! Their keeper could knit a sweater!!!

BillyStubbsTears

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Re: Process Update - First Half Stats
« Reply #8 on April 18, 2023, 08:52:24 pm by BillyStubbsTears »
The Stevenage commentators noted after just 15 mins that “Donny playing out from back is suicidal at this level” on 30 mins “Dont they learn?”

Also - stats have it as 50:50 possession??? But all play is in our half! Their keeper could knit a sweater!!!

And when we went long, Agard was rarely in the same postcode as the ball.

I'm as f**ked off as anyone watching this. But I'll ask again. What exactly do folk expect a manager to do with these players?

LincolnDonny

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Re: Process Update - First Half Stats
« Reply #9 on April 18, 2023, 08:56:11 pm by LincolnDonny »
We are literally playing like a poor pub team

ncRover

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Re: Process Update - First Half Stats
« Reply #10 on April 18, 2023, 08:56:54 pm by ncRover »
So at half time tonight The Process yields....
Goals
Home 1 Away 0
Possession
Home50%Away50%
Shots
Home7Away0
Shots on Target
Home2Away0
Corners
Home1Away0

Utterly pathetic, for god sake someone get rid of this fool.


Fouls
Home5Away3

What, exactly, do you expect with a side that would undoubtedly struggle to survive in the Conference.

Really. What ARE you expecting?

Have you noticed the amount of times a Rovers player has had a lack of options and has thrown his arms out asking for support? Is it the individual players fault that they aren’t co-ordinating the the other outfield players around them spontaneously?

Their goal scorers career is crap on paper. If he was in our team struggling with the others you’d be saying he was sh*te as well.

Schofield had the opportunity to sign some physicality in January and he signed Lavery.

karldew

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Re: Process Update - First Half Stats
« Reply #11 on April 18, 2023, 08:59:52 pm by karldew »
4 dangerous attacks in 60 minutes….

Wow

Edit: compared to 60 by Stevenage!
« Last Edit: April 18, 2023, 09:08:20 pm by karldew »

Dare to dream!

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Re: Process Update - First Half Stats
« Reply #12 on April 18, 2023, 09:00:43 pm by Dare to dream! »
The Stevenage commentators noted after just 15 mins that “Donny playing out from back is suicidal at this level” on 30 mins “Dont they learn?”

Also - stats have it as 50:50 possession??? But all play is in our half! Their keeper could knit a sweater!!!

And when we went long, Agard was rarely in the same postcode as the ball.

I'm as f**ked off as anyone watching this. But I'll ask again. What exactly do folk expect a manager to do with these players?


I think we all agree the players aren’t good enough but what is he doing to help?

The system he wants to play is very technical and the players don’t/can’t play it. So why continue to stick with it? Not make proactive substitutions?

Try something else and play to the strengths of the players until the end of the season.

It’s piss poor management.

FNB

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Re: Process Update - First Half Stats
« Reply #13 on April 18, 2023, 09:01:17 pm by FNB »
One minute in the opposition half.  One fecking minute! Get the clowns out of the club.

donnybez

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Re: Process Update - First Half Stats
« Reply #14 on April 18, 2023, 09:07:52 pm by donnybez »
So at half time tonight The Process yields....
Goals
Home 1 Away 0
Possession
Home50%Away50%
Shots
Home7Away0
Shots on Target
Home2Away0
Corners
Home1Away0

Utterly pathetic, for god sake someone get rid of this fool.


Fouls
Home5Away3

What, exactly, do you expect with a side that would undoubtedly struggle to survive in the Conference.

Really. What ARE you expecting?

Honestly I think this bunch of players whilst they aren't performing clearly possessed some pedigree when we signed them - otherwise we wouldn't have signed them?

Take Molyneux, Knoyle, Miller, etc... they clearly achieved plenty at this level prior to joining us... so why didn't it happen for them here?

My true belief is rather then 'lets play football by my St Georges Park ideals' we should we utilising the players in a much more basic format akin to a Warnock or Evans i.e. not asking them to do something they cannot.

Does that mean swashbuckling football? No, but if it means a foundation to build that on, thats organised, can defend, can attack, and understands what role each player has, I think we have to accept that it's what we need.

Butchers Red

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Re: Process Update - First Half Stats
« Reply #15 on April 18, 2023, 09:13:13 pm by Butchers Red »
So at half time tonight The Process yields....
Goals
Home 1 Away 0
Possession
Home50%Away50%
Shots
Home7Away0
Shots on Target
Home2Away0
Corners
Home1Away0

Utterly pathetic, for god sake someone get rid of this fool.


Fouls
Home5Away3

What, exactly, do you expect with a side that would undoubtedly struggle to survive in the Conference.

Really. What ARE you expecting?

Honestly I think this bunch of players whilst they aren't performing clearly possessed some pedigree when we signed them - otherwise we wouldn't have signed them?

Take Molyneux, Knoyle, Miller, etc... they clearly achieved plenty at this level prior to joining us... so why didn't it happen for them here?

My true belief is rather then 'lets play football by my St Georges Park ideals' we should we utilising the players in a much more basic format akin to a Warnock or Evans i.e. not asking them to do something they cannot.

Does that mean swashbuckling football? No, but if it means a foundation to build that on, thats organised, can defend, can attack, and understands what role each player has, I think we have to accept that it's what we need.


What we need is very simple and basic - a FOOTBALL MANAGER not some kind of weirdo dreamer who has the arrogance to think he has re-invented the wheel.

CHALLENGE - spell exactly what the the "process"  is out for us DS ??

Utter Madness persisting with this fool.

BillyStubbsTears

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Re: Process Update - First Half Stats
« Reply #16 on April 18, 2023, 09:19:49 pm by BillyStubbsTears »
And again. What do you expect a manager to do. All you've done is tell us what you don't want him to do.

StocksArmy

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Re: Process Update - First Half Stats
« Reply #17 on April 18, 2023, 09:22:10 pm by StocksArmy »
So at half time tonight The Process yields....
Goals
Home 1 Away 0
Possession
Home50%Away50%
Shots
Home7Away0
Shots on Target
Home2Away0
Corners
Home1Away0

Utterly pathetic, for god sake someone get rid of this fool.


Fouls
Home5Away3

What, exactly, do you expect with a side that would undoubtedly struggle to survive in the Conference.

Really. What ARE you expecting?

To create at least a chance bare minimum.

sedwardsdrfc

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Re: Process Update - First Half Stats
« Reply #18 on April 18, 2023, 09:24:40 pm by sedwardsdrfc »
We’ll it’s a pretty big thing to stop doing all the backwards thing. You know a smoker has to stop smoking before they find something else to do with their spare time. Baby step if you like.

BillyStubbsTears

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Re: Process Update - First Half Stats
« Reply #19 on April 18, 2023, 09:28:12 pm by BillyStubbsTears »
So. Plenty of bile and no solutions?

donnybez

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Re: Process Update - First Half Stats
« Reply #20 on April 18, 2023, 09:37:26 pm by donnybez »
So. Plenty of bile and no solutions?
1. Hire SOMEONE in the on field side of the club with experience. If they will not ditch DS, then bring someone experienced in to guide him
2. If its the Board stipulating the style of play (see GMc's sacking and the Job Advert) then retract that and allow DS the option of trying to finish this season with some sort of positive momentum
3. Listen to the fans about what they saying about the onfield matters. The club may not like what it hears, and might not agree with it, and following the repeated statements that present a 'we know best' air over the past couple of years lets try and heal the divide. Pretending they don't exist and ignoring them won't heal the toxicity in our club and fanbase. And just offering discounts does not resolve the underlying cause of the problems.
4. In future when appointing a manager, dof or assistant, please ensure ONE of these have the necessary experience of management to help guide decision making. Surrounding a novice with novices isn't a strategy for success.

I'm not here to throw bile around - but yes I am frustrated at seeing what I've had to endure for 2 solid years. But covering our eyes and pretending it will magically fix itself isn't the right answer either.



ncRover

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Re: Process Update - First Half Stats
« Reply #21 on April 18, 2023, 09:38:09 pm by ncRover »
Billy are you just playing devil’s advocate for the fun of it?

There are never any options for the player on the ball. That is the manager’s fault.

Chris Black come back

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Re: Process Update - First Half Stats
« Reply #22 on April 18, 2023, 09:40:55 pm by Chris Black come back »
It's not great to watch, is it? These final three games are going to be tedious.

mpc123

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Re: Process Update - First Half Stats
« Reply #23 on April 18, 2023, 09:42:06 pm by mpc123 »
So at half time tonight The Process yields....
Goals
Home 1 Away 0
Possession
Home50%Away50%
Shots
Home7Away0
Shots on Target
Home2Away0
Corners
Home1Away0

Utterly pathetic, for god sake someone get rid of this fool.


Fouls
Home5Away3

What, exactly, do you expect with a side that would undoubtedly struggle to survive in the Conference.

Really. What ARE you expecting?

Alot more than what he has produced with this team and the team he had before the injuries.

He cannot be backed simple as.

sedwardsdrfc

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Re: Process Update - First Half Stats
« Reply #24 on April 18, 2023, 09:42:15 pm by sedwardsdrfc »
Alright I’d go for a 442 keep the lines between midfield and defence nice and compact and have Agard with Goodman up top so we have an out ball if under pressure by just playing into the right areas, corners etc. from restarts I’d go long and wide if we can’t win the 1st, which we won’t, then squeeze the pitch for 2nd ball and play from there. Priority is the game should be played in the opposition half. With the players available it’s pointless for us to have possession on the edge of our own box where we’ll do more harm than good

I don’t think anyone needs to come up with grand solutions it’s just go back to basics give yourself a out ball and try to get the ball into the opponents half to play.

Would we win tonight? probably not but if we’d done this since the injuries came in the performances would feel less self destructive



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Re: Process Update - First Half Stats
« Reply #25 on April 18, 2023, 09:43:00 pm by normal rules »
The Stevenage commentators noted after just 15 mins that “Donny playing out from back is suicidal at this level” on 30 mins “Dont they learn?”

Also - stats have it as 50:50 possession??? But all play is in our half! Their keeper could knit a sweater!!!

And when we went long, Agard was rarely in the same postcode as the ball.

I'm as f**ked off as anyone watching this. But I'll ask again. What exactly do folk expect a manager to do with these players?

half of the team in the first half are with us next season and according to copps will "form part of a strong squad".

BillyStubbsTears

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Re: Process Update - First Half Stats
« Reply #26 on April 18, 2023, 09:44:42 pm by BillyStubbsTears »
So. Plenty of bile and no solutions?
1. Hire SOMEONE in the on field side of the club with experience. If they will not ditch DS, then bring someone experienced in to guide him
2. If its the Board stipulating the style of play (see GMc's sacking and the Job Advert) then retract that and allow DS the option of trying to finish this season with some sort of positive momentum
3. Listen to the fans about what they saying about the onfield matters. The club may not like what it hears, and might not agree with it, and following the repeated statements that present a 'we know best' air over the past couple of years lets try and heal the divide. Pretending they don't exist and ignoring them won't heal the toxicity in our club and fanbase. And just offering discounts does not resolve the underlying cause of the problems.
4. In future when appointing a manager, dof or assistant, please ensure ONE of these have the necessary experience of management to help guide decision making. Surrounding a novice with novices isn't a strategy for success.

I'm not here to throw bile around - but yes I am frustrated at seeing what I've had to endure for 2 solid years. But covering our eyes and pretending it will magically fix itself isn't the right answer either.




I'm talking about that match. Tonight.

What is any manager supposed to do with the first team squad that was available tonight?

We have people saying "Stop being clever and go back to basics".

What does that mean?

Launch the ball from the back? We don't half a striker who can put in any sort of physical challenge so the ball just comes back.

Get stuck into them? We don't have a single player in that team tonight who could match the aggression of Stevenage.

So. I'll ask again. What EXACTLY do people think we should have done tonight, with the players available?

Canadian Rover

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Re: Process Update - First Half Stats
« Reply #27 on April 18, 2023, 09:46:32 pm by Canadian Rover »
Fly me over. I will take the job until the end of season unpaid.

I promise I will do a better job than the current head coach.

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Re: Process Update - First Half Stats
« Reply #28 on April 18, 2023, 09:48:04 pm by dickos1 »
If you’ve decided you don’t want schofield then you’re not going to change your mind unless we win 10 games on the spin next season.
But to get your knickers in a twist over tonight is ridiculous, look at the line up.
The second half at least we showed some b*llocks and had a bit of heart, the first half was pathetic and the second half was the bare minimum that they should be showing every game.
Everyone was predicting a hammering due to what we have available and how good stevenage are at home, then we lose 1-0 and everyone loses their shit, it’s all a bit daft

Branton Red

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Re: Process Update - First Half Stats
« Reply #29 on April 18, 2023, 09:50:09 pm by Branton Red »
That first half was totally and utterly abysmal. In terms of tactics, approach, performance, everything. Rovers were lucky not to be 2 or 3 nil down at half time. The camera barely panned to the half way line never mind into Stevenage's half. It was like watching an attack v defence training session.

I agree with Billy that there may well be at least a division and a half in quality between the two teams.

But that is no excuse for how Rovers played first half. I'd be saying the same if Rovers first XI played that way against a higher division team in the Cup

Second half was better. Rovers looked to play more football, tried to compete in the middle of the park and looked to get forward when they could and cause a threat.

Yes it still wasn't great but that can, to a degree, be attributed to the standard of players available.

It would have been even better if we'd had more bodies in forward positions and supported looked to support the lone striker more effectively and quickly.

 

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