No one else like me then?

[Copps is Magic]

To be honest, I am behind DS for next season. He improved things when he came in initially. Then somewhere along the line we completely dropped off a cliff. He's really not had any transfer window of any description to work with. January was embarrassing for the club in terms of who left vs who came in but is that all his fault? I certainly don't think so.

The recent lack of fight and pride and not being in games is indeed worrying. But football has become too short-termist. We take bad form for a bad manager and I'm not really convinced by that.

[adamtherover]

Just you !!

[Chris Black come back]

I’m willing to give him a go. These two things are both true - he has by and large produced poor football and very poor results, but equally he is paying some price for dreadful recruitment decisions in the past and while we have lost a lot of games, as soon as play offs died a few weeks ago does it really matter?

I’d imagine that he will turn out to be a fairly average manager for us, but we won’t be able to tell what he is like until next season and a full window with a decent budget. After that, there really is no excuse.

[DD]

Unbelievable that anyone would want to keep DS!!! But I do agree - we keep choosing bad managers! Get rid of the man who brought in DS and who determines strategy / player recruitment…….Coppinger!!!!

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

I'm very much of the opinion that the head coach needs to be replaced for all the reasons we've talked about.

But I take no pleasure in it and I don't want to see him fail. If they stick with him I think it's the wrong choice. But I won't want him to fail and I'll still fully want us to win every week and I'll still be watching the games weekly.

I totally don't agree with the opening post, I wish I did.  I think he's had enough chances and I actually think they'll move in the days after the season finishes.

[In the box]

To be honest, I am behind DS for next season. He improved things when he came in initially. Then somewhere along the line we completely dropped off a cliff. He's really not had any transfer window of any description to work with. January was embarrassing for the club in terms of who left vs who came in but is that all his fault? I certainly don't think so.

The recent lack of fight and pride and not being in games is indeed worrying. But football has become too short-termist. We take bad form for a bad manager and I'm not really convinced by that.

For me it’s not just about the now , it’s how got  we get here . Decisions to appoint yet another unproven manager and  with little or no budget to work with . Is like a blind man leading a deaf man ! Directionless .

[Upton Rover]

To be honest, I am behind DS for next season. He improved things when he came in initially. Then somewhere along the line we completely dropped off a cliff. He's really not had any transfer window of any description to work with. January was embarrassing for the club in terms of who left vs who came in but is that all his fault? I certainly don't think so.

The recent lack of fight and pride and not being in games is indeed worrying. But football has become too short-termist. We take bad form for a bad manager and I'm not really convinced by that.

God help us if there’s more people who think alike

[Copps is Magic]

To be honest, I am behind DS for next season. He improved things when he came in initially. Then somewhere along the line we completely dropped off a cliff. He's really not had any transfer window of any description to work with. January was embarrassing for the club in terms of who left vs who came in but is that all his fault? I certainly don't think so.

The recent lack of fight and pride and not being in games is indeed worrying. But football has become too short-termist. We take bad form for a bad manager and I'm not really convinced by that.

For me it’s not just about the now , it’s how got  we get here . Decisions to appoint yet another unproven manager and  with little or no budget to work with . Is like a blind man leading a deaf man ! Directionless .

So there was no thinking or rationale in appointing him then? Do you honestly believe that?

[Copps is Magic]

I totally don't agree with the opening post, I wish I did.  I think he's had enough chances and I actually think they'll move in the days after the season finishes.

He's had enough chances between now and late October when he was employed? What chances will you give a new manager? How long is reasonable?

[Padge_DRFC]

To be honest, I am behind DS for next season. He improved things when he came in initially. Then somewhere along the line we completely dropped off a cliff. He's really not had any transfer window of any description to work with. January was embarrassing for the club in terms of who left vs who came in but is that all his fault? I certainly don't think so.

The recent lack of fight and pride and not being in games is indeed worrying. But football has become too short-termist. We take bad form for a bad manager and I'm not really convinced by that.

So you are actually the real James Coppinger after all!!

[mushRTID]

You never know, this could be his lowest point and make him!

[Branton Red]

To be honest, I am behind DS for next season. He improved things when he came in initially. Then somewhere along the line we completely dropped off a cliff. He's really not had any transfer window of any description to work with. January was embarrassing for the club in terms of who left vs who came in but is that all his fault? I certainly don't think so.

The recent lack of fight and pride and not being in games is indeed worrying. But football has become too short-termist. We take bad form for a bad manager and I'm not really convinced by that.

Well you're not the only one but you're in a vanishingly small minority!

[scawsby steve]

To be honest, I am behind DS for next season. He improved things when he came in initially. Then somewhere along the line we completely dropped off a cliff. He's really not had any transfer window of any description to work with. January was embarrassing for the club in terms of who left vs who came in but is that all his fault? I certainly don't think so.

The recent lack of fight and pride and not being in games is indeed worrying. But football has become too short-termist. We take bad form for a bad manager and I'm not really convinced by that.

For me it’s not just about the now , it’s how got  we get here . Decisions to appoint yet another unproven manager and  with little or no budget to work with . Is like a blind man leading a deaf man ! Directionless .

So there was no thinking or rationale in appointing him then? Do you honestly believe that?

So what was the rationale in appointing him? He's no managerial achievements on his CV whatsoever.

[Campsall rover]

It’s not just the results though is it. Although they are always going to be what any manager / head coach will be judged on.
It also the quality of the football. Well the total lack of quality.
It is absolutely dire.
It is the worst I have ever seen from a Rovers team bar 97/98

We create almost next to nothing and score very few.
We play 3 centre backs and we still leak really bad sloppy goals.

There is no justification to keep DS and potentially waste TB’s money and another season.

It is a risk not worth taking and in fact it could be from what I have seen from DS over the last 6 months be a catastrophic decision for the Club to keep him.

He has got to go.

[In the box]

To be honest, I am behind DS for next season. He improved things when he came in initially. Then somewhere along the line we completely dropped off a cliff. He's really not had any transfer window of any description to work with. January was embarrassing for the club in terms of who left vs who came in but is that all his fault? I certainly don't think so.

The recent lack of fight and pride and not being in games is indeed worrying. But football has become too short-termist. We take bad form for a bad manager and I'm not really convinced by that.

For me it’s not just about the now , it’s how got  we get here . Decisions to appoint yet another unproven manager and  with little or no budget to work with . Is like a blind man leading a deaf man ! Directionless .

So there was no thinking or rationale in appointing him then? Do you honestly believe that?

Tell me what was the rationale in appointing another unproven manager . Can you honestly say this is what they had in mind when he was given the job?

[sedwardsdrfc]

Been done to death now. Doesn’t look like there’s going to be a change no matter how many fans want him gone. So we just need to hope someone is getting some really quality lined up in summer and see how he gets on next season.

I can’t look forward to a new season if he’s going to be here at the moment but with a bit of time away and some signings maybe they’ll be a glimmer of optimism before the 1st game.

They’d be a lot more excitement for next season with a new manager knowing they’d have extra funds. DS is in negative credit and it could be a complete embarrassment if he doesn’t make a good start. No excuses next season please.

[normal rules]

I have some respect for those that still hold a shred of faith. Perhaps some have read too many stories about Melchester Rovers when they were younger. And we have enjoyed some magical moments in recent years haven’t we.
I just can’t see schofield rising like some phoenix from the ashes.
I’d love to see his job interview for this post.
He does not meet what any sane person would have as the person spec surely ?
With every game played his appointment makes less and less sense.
Was his brief merely survival?
Who knows?

[sedwardsdrfc]

Didn’t we have a list of requirements released when the job was open before McSheffery got it. He met absolutely none of the supposed criteria. When you look at it the hiring of managers wasn’t that bad till we stopped following the spec.

Frustratingly slow yes but Fergie, McCann and Moore were all good gets. Even Wellens in theory wasn’t that bad although he probably didn’t meet a few of the criteria we’d normally set I.e. too combustible

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

I totally don't agree with the opening post, I wish I did.  I think he's had enough chances and I actually think they'll move in the days after the season finishes.

He's had enough chances between now and late October when he was employed? What chances will you give a new manager? How long is reasonable?

6 months, nearly 30 games is a decent stab at it.  In 6 months I expect progress and we don't have progress forwards, we don't even have glimpses.

I don't disagree we cannot just keep changing from one to the next, we should get the right one in the first place, someone with a semblance of experience and a plan.

[sedwardsdrfc]

It’s a bit worrying the manager has to be allowed to sign a whole new squad before he can be judged. Why get rid of McSheffery if we expected nothing from his replacement till the summer.

If you can only improve by signing players what does it say about the coaching. Fair enough to get to another level new players are needed but to see improvement from McSheffery shouldn’t need signings.

[Copps is Magic]

It’s a bit worrying the manager has to be allowed to sign a whole new squad before he can be judged. Why get rid of McSheffery if we expected nothing from his replacement till the summer.

If you can only improve by signing players what does it say about the coaching. Fair enough to get to another level new players are needed but to see improvement from McSheffery shouldn’t need signings.

It's not that surprising at all. There's only so far you can 'coach' players.

[sedwardsdrfc]

It’s a bit worrying the manager has to be allowed to sign a whole new squad before he can be judged. Why get rid of McSheffery if we expected nothing from his replacement till the summer.

If you can only improve by signing players what does it say about the coaching. Fair enough to get to another level new players are needed but to see improvement from McSheffery shouldn’t need signings.

It's not that surprising at all. There's only so far you can 'coach' players.

Yes but he’s not taken them any further than the man we got rid of. Which either means it was wrong to sack him or DS also is limited as a coach. Not a great advert for our future under him

[Upton Rover]

He’s got to go, and Copps too

[mpc123]

No decent player is going to join -copps "because of the type of football we play" I hope they like falling asleep with boredom at games too then.

The longer we keep DS, fall further down the league and showcase the rubbish defensive can't even be called football that is really on show - frustrate the fans even more, nobody half decent is going to want to come.

[rich1471]

Most people would like to get behind him and boot him straight out of the door ,he need to go nothing will change next season and will be sacked by Xmas ,the only thing we are doing by giving him another transfer window is wasting time and money to start again in December

[ForsolongaRover]

It’s a bit worrying the manager has to be allowed to sign a whole new squad before he can be judged. Why get rid of McSheffery if we expected nothing from his replacement till the summer.

If you can only improve by signing players what does it say about the coaching. Fair enough to get to another level new players are needed but to see improvement from McSheffery shouldn’t need signings.

It's not that surprising at all. There's only so far you can 'coach' players.

What evidence is there that Schofield has achieved anything progressive with his “coaching”. When will his supporters recognise that the results of his coaching have taken us backwards?

No one would dispute that you cannot coach players beyond their innate ability, but there is no doubt - and most of us will know people who we have worked for or with - that a good teacher/coach/manager/ mentor - from whom we have learned and become better at our job. Quite often these are individuals who have an engaging personality and have taken a real interest in helping us. We probably even mention them to others for what they did for us. Everyone around them benefits.

Where is this quality in Schofield? Has he improved any of the players in the squad. As many have said, a lot of them have got worse. If he were the coach that some people imagine he might be, he would be able to improve the quality, but it seems to have got worse. The players don’t go out of their way to mention his influence. All he has succeeded in doing is making them feel that it their fault. And that is the sort of message that a poor manager will want to imprint on his charges. Come to think of it, I don’t remember him ever mentioning Copps, so I wonder whether he ever learns anything from him.

Then of course, there is the opposite experience. The manager who comes in and doesn’t want to see what works and what doesn’t and just changes everything without talking to people. He or she insists on introducing a completely new system, irrespective of the individual abilities of the “workers”. And in DRFC’s case this is the Schofield “Process”.

[DonnyBazR0ver]

Alot of people claiming facts about DS when it can only be opinion if you don't have access to the training pitch and the dressing room.

I wouldn't lose any sleep if he was sacked but I'm neither dead against him or can say he's incompetent.

It wouldn't surprise me if it's a boards decision to give him to the end of the season to see how he performs under difficult circumstances with the long list of injuries and having to integrate the youth and fringe players.

I don't think it would be fair to expect better results with fewer players available but see how he and the team performs when it gets tough.

Just because he's still here doesn't mean Copps and the board have buried their heads in the sand.

The daily rants on this forum aren't going to change the boards decision but if it helps folk let off steam, fair do's.

[sedwardsdrfc]

The you can only coach so far is valid the problem is he’s coached backwards

[CantleyRed]

Unbelievable that anyone would want to keep DS!!! But I do agree - we keep choosing bad managers! Get rid of the man who brought in DS and who determines strategy / player recruitment…….Coppinger!!!!

But Orient chose the same "bad manager" that we did. Doesn't that suggest there is more to it than this and keeping changing managers every year is pointless. I think you've been watching them for too long...have a break for a few years and see if you miss it!?

[pib]

I was in this camp to be honest. But some of the recent performances, and moreso the general atmosphere that has built up around the club has made me think it has become untenable.

That's not because I think DS couldn't have succeeded in better circumstances, but I think the scales have been tipped too far the wrong way for this to work now.

Next season is going to be hugely important. If the club is spending money this summer and trying to go for it next season, I can't see it working against a backdrop of unrest, anger, and the complete lack of quality, co-ordination and hope being displayed on the pitch at the moment. We've got virtually nothing to take into the summer in terms of glimmers that next season is going to be any good. If DS remains in charge, it's only going to take a couple of early defeats, or going 1-0 down in the opening game of next season, and the toxicity will come out again, and that won't help anyone.