No one else like me then?

[BigH]

SOD and Schofield should never be mentioned in the same post (whoops, I’ve just done it).

SOD had history before joining us (JR told us all why he went all out to get him and ROK). What has DS done?

Don’t worry, BST, if the Club are daft enough to keep him in post and he (somehow) gets it right, then I’ll hold my hands up. Personally, there’s no way he should be here after the season’s sorry end.

Couldn’t agree more Alan. Any comparison between SOD and DS is preposterous.

SOD had proven L1/L2 pedigree but also a purist football streak that JR admired. Probably based on the 5-0 thrashing that his Bournemouth team handed to us in one L1 game.

The problem was that what was essentially a joint project between JR and SOD was slow to get off the ground and people started getting frustrated. SOD didn’t help himself by neglecting some players in favour of others but he instilled his footballing principles into the squad to such an extent that when it clicked we consistently performed to a very high standard irrespective of team changes.

I’m sure that DS has his own footballing principles- what manager doesn’t - but the lack of passion from the Board, the lack of a JR style vision and DS’s lack of experience means that we’re a million miles away from that time.

[dickos1]

It seems there are plenty of other folk who are of the same opinion as me,
Maybe the ones who want him gone are much more vocal about it but it does seem on this thread all the ones who strongly want him gone are the same names that post about it all day everyday, but the ones wanting to give him a go are people who don’t post all the time about it.

You call 10% plenty of folk?

In fact, I'll again ask all the DS apologists on here the same 2 questions I keep asking, to which I get no reply. Firstly, what is there on his CV that remotely suggests he's capable of achieving promotion from League 2?

Secondly, how big a hit are Rovers going to take in ST sales for next season if DS is kept on?

A manager took us from The conference to league one with no experience, Duff took over at Cheltenham with no experience, McKenna took over at Ipswich with no experience,

Regarding season tickets, no wonder nobody has given an answer, how would anyone know the answer

[dickos1]

It seems there are plenty of other folk who are of the same opinion as me,
Maybe the ones who want him gone are much more vocal about it but it does seem on this thread all the ones who strongly want him gone are the same names that post about it all day everyday, but the ones wanting to give him a go are people who don’t post all the time about it.

91.6% says your in a massive minority.

That pole is not Twitter, Face Book, but this DRFC Viking forum.
Ave age will probably be over 50 ( I have no facts on that but think it will be well over 50 ) so long term
die hard supporters in the case of quite a serious number i would think.

Of course it’s a minority, I didn’t suggest otherwise! Was just pointing out there are others who are willing to give him the summer to build his squad

[BillyStubbsTears]

SOD and Schofield should never be mentioned in the same post (whoops, I’ve just done it).

SOD had history before joining us (JR told us all why he went all out to get him and ROK). What has DS done?

Don’t worry, BST, if the Club are daft enough to keep him in post and he (somehow) gets it right, then I’ll hold my hands up. Personally, there’s no way he should be here after the season’s sorry end.

Couldn’t agree more Alan. Any comparison between SOD and DS is preposterous.

SOD had proven L1/L2 pedigree but also a purist football streak that JR admired. Probably based on the 5-0 thrashing that his Bournemouth team handed to us in one L1 game.

The problem was that what was essentially a joint project between JR and SOD was slow to get off the ground and people started getting frustrated. SOD didn’t help himself by neglecting some players in favour of others but he instilled his footballing principles into the squad to such an extent that when it clicked we consistently performed to a very high standard irrespective of team changes.

I’m sure that DS has his own footballing principles- what manager doesn’t - but the lack of passion from the Board, the lack of a JR style vision and DS’s lack of experience means that we’re a million miles away from that time.

None of which changes the fact that, with the most expensively assembled squad in our history up to that point, O'Driscoll managed something very close to relegation form for almost a season.

It was an act of faith that he would be able to turn that round.

And yes, he did have something of a track record, though scarcely an unblemished one.

But more pertinent to my point is his very early career. He took over a side that had finished comfortably in mid table the previous year. He then won 1 of his first 13 games as a manager (not 15 as I'd said before - my mistake there). I wonder how many from this forum would have been screaming that he had no track record to point to, was clearly failing and should be get rid of?

[BigH]

Some selective stats in that last paragraph BST:

O'Driscoll was named boss on 9/9/2006. Rovers lost that day. He then lost two of the following 11 games, winning 2 and drawing 7. He then won 7 of the following 8 games. His first season was also the one we won the JPT. After which, yes, I grant you the team largely packed up and went to the beach.

Schofield's first 12 games: W5 D1 L6 (including the loss to Kings Lynn). Form since: P18 W4 D3 L11. Exclude that block of 3 wins in February and we've been in freefall. Injuries have been a factor but freefall...

Yes, it was a slow start for O'Driscoll and he had a much better bunch of players than Schofield has now but, come on, there's no comparison.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Some selective stats in that last paragraph BST:

O'Driscoll was named boss on 9/9/2006. Rovers lost that day. He then lost two of the following 11 games, winning 2 and drawing 7. He then won 7 of the following 8 games. His first season was also the one we won the JPT. After which, yes, I grant you the team largely packed up and went to the beach.

Schofield's first 12 games: W5 D1 L6 (including the loss to Kings Lynn). Form since: P18 W4 D3 L11. Exclude that block of 3 wins in February and we've been in freefall. Injuries have been a factor but freefall...

Yes, it was a slow start for O'Driscoll and he had a much better bunch of players than Schofield has now but, come on, there's no comparison.

I'm talking about his start as Bournemouth manager. My apologies if that wasn't clear.

[ForsolongaRover]

Some selective stats in that last paragraph BST:

O'Driscoll was named boss on 9/9/2006. Rovers lost that day. He then lost two of the following 11 games, winning 2 and drawing 7. He then won 7 of the following 8 games. His first season was also the one we won the JPT. After which, yes, I grant you the team largely packed up and went to the beach.

Schofield's first 12 games: W5 D1 L6 (including the loss to Kings Lynn). Form since: P18 W4 D3 L11. Exclude that block of 3 wins in February and we've been in freefall. Injuries have been a factor but freefall...

Yes, it was a slow start for O'Driscoll and he had a much better bunch of players than Schofield has now but, come on, there's no comparison.

SOD and Schofield should never be mentioned in the same post (whoops, I’ve just done it).

SOD had history before joining us (JR told us all why he went all out to get him and ROK). What has DS done?

Don’t worry, BST, if the Club are daft enough to keep him in post and he (somehow) gets it right, then I’ll hold my hands up. Personally, there’s no way he should be here after the season’s sorry end.

Couldn’t agree more Alan. Any comparison between SOD and DS is preposterous.

SOD had proven L1/L2 pedigree but also a purist football streak that JR admired. Probably based on the 5-0 thrashing that his Bournemouth team handed to us in one L1 game.

The problem was that what was essentially a joint project between JR and SOD was slow to get off the ground and people started getting frustrated. SOD didn’t help himself by neglecting some players in favour of others but he instilled his footballing principles into the squad to such an extent that when it clicked we consistently performed to a very high standard irrespective of team changes.

I’m sure that DS has his own footballing principles- what manager doesn’t - but the lack of passion from the Board, the lack of a JR style vision and DS’s lack of experience means that we’re a million miles away from that time.

None of which changes the fact that, with the most expensively assembled squad in our history up to that point, O'Driscoll managed something very close to relegation form for almost a season.

It was an act of faith that he would be able to turn that round.

And yes, he did have something of a track record, though scarcely an unblemished one.

But more pertinent to my point is his very early career. He took over a side that had finished comfortably in mid table the previous year. He then won 1 of his first 13 games as a manager (not 15 as I'd said before - my mistake there). I wonder how many from this forum would have been screaming that he had no track record to point to, was clearly failing and should be get rid of?

Having read up on Bournemouth on wiki, this is what it says about SOD:
“Sean O'Driscoll was promoted from the coaching staff in place of Mel Machin at the start of the 2000–01 season. In O'Driscoll's first season as manager, Bournemouth narrowly missed out on the Division Two playoffs but were relegated a year later in the new stadium (in the early part of the 2001–02 season, they played their home matches at Dorchester Town's ground while their own stadium was being redeveloped). The board kept faith in O'Driscoll and they were rewarded with promotion via the Division Three playoffs in 2002–03. The club became the first to score five goals at the Millennium Stadium when they beat Lincoln City 5–2 in the 2002–03 Division Three play-off final with goals from Steve Fletcher, Carl Fletcher (2), Stephen Purches and Garreth O'Connor. Under O'Driscoll, Bournemouth narrowly missed out on the play-offs for the 2003–04 and 2004–05 seasons, and just avoided relegation in the 2005–06 season.”

So are they wrong?

[drfchound]

SOD and Schofield should never be mentioned in the same post (whoops, I’ve just done it).

SOD had history before joining us (JR told us all why he went all out to get him and ROK). What has DS done?

Don’t worry, BST, if the Club are daft enough to keep him in post and he (somehow) gets it right, then I’ll hold my hands up. Personally, there’s no way he should be here after the season’s sorry end.

Couldn’t agree more Alan. Any comparison between SOD and DS is preposterous.

SOD had proven L1/L2 pedigree but also a purist football streak that JR admired. Probably based on the 5-0 thrashing that his Bournemouth team handed to us in one L1 game.

The problem was that what was essentially a joint project between JR and SOD was slow to get off the ground and people started getting frustrated. SOD didn’t help himself by neglecting some players in favour of others but he instilled his footballing principles into the squad to such an extent that when it clicked we consistently performed to a very high standard irrespective of team changes.

I’m sure that DS has his own footballing principles- what manager doesn’t - but the lack of passion from the Board, the lack of a JR style vision and DS’s lack of experience means that we’re a million miles away from that time.

None of which changes the fact that, with the most expensively assembled squad in our history up to that point, O'Driscoll managed something very close to relegation form for almost a season.

It was an act of faith that he would be able to turn that round.

And yes, he did have something of a track record, though scarcely an unblemished one.

But more pertinent to my point is his very early career. He took over a side that had finished comfortably in mid table the previous year. He then won 1 of his first 13 games as a manager (not 15 as I'd said before - my mistake there). I wonder how many from this forum would have been screaming that he had no track record to point to, was clearly failing and should be get rid of?

But SOD did have a track record in management before he came to us.
As for what people might have said, that is just conjecture.

[dickos1]

I think the point is everyone has to start somewhere, just because he hasn’t any experience now doesn’t mean much.
Every successful manager out there will have obviously got a job without any experience at some point

[Campsall rover]

It seems there are plenty of other folk who are of the same opinion as me,
Maybe the ones who want him gone are much more vocal about it but it does seem on this thread all the ones who strongly want him gone are the same names that post about it all day everyday, but the ones wanting to give him a go are people who don’t post all the time about it.

91.6% says your in a massive minority.

That pole is not Twitter, Face Book, but this DRFC Viking forum.
Ave age will probably be over 50 ( I have no facts on that but think it will be well over 50 ) so long term
die hard supporters in the case of quite a serious number i would think.

Of course it’s a minority, I didn’t suggest otherwise! Was just pointing out there are others who are willing to give him the summer to build his squad

Have you been watching the matches this season dickos.
We have been served up a diet of total dross.
My 10 yr old Grandson has had enough.  He has decided Liverpool are his team now not Rovers.

When we had Dave Penney we played fast exciting attacking football, win lose or draw.
Duff did the same at Cheltenham
I could name dozens of rookie managers who did the same.

DS has served us up with a diet of boring insipid dross for 6 months
 
Don’t insult our intelligence. 91% of our fans are not idiots. 

[ForsolongaRover]

I think the point is everyone has to start somewhere, just because he hasn’t any experience now doesn’t mean much.
Every successful manager out there will have obviously got a job without any experience at some point

I seem to think that you have made this observation before and we are not debating “where everyone has to start”. Rather it is how, having started, how long it is reasonable to continue to employ someone who is failing. I know it may seem hair-splitting, but it is a fact that the Board appointed him Head Coach, an area in which he had had experience which was not entirely successful. In practice, by default he is effectively the manager and struggling in that role. I would be prepared to concede that if there were a separate manager he probably would have insisted Schofield adapt his coaching to the strengths of the squad. He has proceeded without the benefit of that second opinion which is where you might question the Copps role in all this.

[normal rules]

I think the point is everyone has to start somewhere, just because he hasn’t any experience now doesn’t mean much.
Every successful manager out there will have obviously got a job without any experience at some point

Drfc was not the place for him to try out his fledgling career.
He should have gone to Belper Town or perhaps Ilkeston. No disrespect to either of course. He went in at the deep end with Huddersfield . And it was out of the frying pan into the fire with rovers.
Which I simply do not understand . It makes no sense at all.

[mattco]

The definiTion of insane behaviour is repeating the same actions over and over when it is obvious that they are failures. That is what annoys about Schofield, everybody can see his tactical schems isn't working but he persists game after game.

[BillyStubbsTears]

The definiTion of insane behaviour is repeating the same actions over and over when it is obvious that they are failures. That is what annoys about Schofield, everybody can see his tactical schems isn't working but he persists game after game.

As did O'Driscoll, week after week after week throughout 2007, when we were massively under-performing both on results and on entertainment. What I failed to recognise at the time was that it was instilling a mindset in the players. He had the time and support to make results secondary for a while, as he got the players working how he wanted them to?

Could Schofield do that? I've seen flashes, and controversial as it will sound, the second half on Tuesday was one of them. But it's tough - he's dealing with a not very well constructed squad, of which a lot of players are currently not very well. On balance, I'm inclined to give him a go at bringing in his own players and having time to develop his own style. Barring a disaster on injuries next year, if we do have better funds for recruitment this Summer, I doubt we'd go down, even if it turns out he's not capable of O'Driscoll returns.

[sedwardsdrfc]

He’s not failing just because he’s inexperienced. Nothing against appointing a fresh manager a lot of clubs have done well buy it.

The context DS was appointed in made it a poor choice. Off the back of one inexperienced manager who did a poor job and the terrible season before. Sometimes someone who has been there done it can end the spiral.

In that situation, with the fans already deeply unhappy and desperate to return to L1 this season, appointing a inexperienced manager is a risk we didn’t need to take. Of course whoever we got it might have struggled the same but anyone can say that about anything.

[Campsall rover]

The definiTion of insane behaviour is repeating the same actions over and over when it is obvious that they are failures. That is what annoys about Schofield, everybody can see his tactical schems isn't working but he persists game after game.

As did O'Driscoll, week after week after week throughout 2007, when we were massively under-performing both on results and on entertainment. What I failed to recognise at the time was that it was instilling a mindset in the players. He had the time and support to make results secondary for a while, as he got the players working how he wanted them to?

Could Schofield do that? I've seen flashes, and controversial as it will sound, the second half on Tuesday was one of them. But it's tough - he's dealing with a not very well constructed squad, of which a lot of players are currently not very well. On balance, I'm inclined to give him a go at bringing in his own players and having time to develop his own style. Barring a disaster on injuries next year, if we do have better funds for recruitment this Summer, I doubt we'd go down, even if it turns out he's not capable of O'Driscoll returns.

You’re entitled to your opinion BST but to say you saw flashes of them on Tues as you put it!!!
Well I was there and if you think that 2nd half gives us hope for next season then you and me are on different planets.
2 attempts at goal in 94 mins. One from a tight angle where he was never going to score ( Hurst ) and A speculative shot from 18yds from Goodman which went wide.
Yes that gives me great hope for next season that does.

When I see him change to a back 4 and put 3 in the middle of the park and 2 up top, and see him do it consistently then there just might be some hope.
Just try 4-3-1-2 for last 3 games. Let’s see what that might achieve. Will he do it. ???

[BillyStubbsTears]

CR

Stevenage played the very most aggressive, high press that I've ever seen at this level. It was borderline manic. Players sprinting into closing down our players on the ball.

In the first half, our players shite themselves in the face of that. They were physically overwhelmed.

My point was that, with Williams on in the second half, we were passing from the back in a way that nullified that press. We were taking the pressing Stevenage players out of the game and opening up space behind them. Did that lead to chances? No, because we had very little in front. But if you didn't notice that change happen, and think about what it could lead to with a better set of options further up the pitch, I can't really help you. It was as plain as day to me.

[Campsall rover]

CR

Stevenage played the very most aggressive, high press that I've ever seen at this level. It was borderline manic. Players sprinting into closing down our players on the ball.

In the first half, our players shite themselves in the face of that. They were physically overwhelmed.

My point was that, with Williams on in the second half, we were passing from the back in a way that nullified that press. We were taking the pressing Stevenage players out of the game and opening up space behind them. Did that lead to chances? No, because we had very little in front. But if you didn't notice that change happen, and think about what it could lead to with a better set of options further up the pitch, I can't really help you. It was as plain as day to me.

Well just in case you didn’t notice BST Stevenage didn’t press the same in the second half.
They preserved their energy and let us have the ball in areas where they couldn’t be hurt.
If you didn’t see that then sorry I can’t help you. It was plain as day to me.

But you’re right of course BST. When are you not?

[Campsall rover]

In fact BST what they did was let our back 3 have the ball particularly Williams and instead closed down on Close and Ravenhill.

[scawsby steve]

The definiTion of insane behaviour is repeating the same actions over and over when it is obvious that they are failures. That is what annoys about Schofield, everybody can see his tactical schems isn't working but he persists game after game.

As did O'Driscoll, week after week after week throughout 2007, when we were massively under-performing both on results and on entertainment. What I failed to recognise at the time was that it was instilling a mindset in the players. He had the time and support to make results secondary for a while, as he got the players working how he wanted them to?

Could Schofield do that? I've seen flashes, and controversial as it will sound, the second half on Tuesday was one of them. But it's tough - he's dealing with a not very well constructed squad, of which a lot of players are currently not very well. On balance, I'm inclined to give him a go at bringing in his own players and having time to develop his own style. Barring a disaster on injuries next year, if we do have better funds for recruitment this Summer, I doubt we'd go down, even if it turns out he's not capable of O'Driscoll returns.

"I doubt we'd go down". Bloody hell fire, what a low bar to be setting for a club of our stature. I said the same thing on here a few weeks ago for a JOKE; to highlight how far down the nick we'd gone.

As regards time, we don't have any. People are leaving the club in droves at the prospect of him staying.

[Barmby Rover]

Unbelievable that anyone would want to keep DS!!! But I do agree - we keep choosing bad managers! Get rid of the man who brought in DS and who determines strategy / player recruitment…….Coppinger!!!!

That is exactly why the owners and CEO of Doncaster Rovers brought the post in and appointed JC, so that the appalling budget being given and thus the poor squad would be blamed for it and not the ownership. DSwould be quite good, if his budget allowed to have players who can play, he doesn't have that, so he has to cope with and  put up with the incompetence being shown week in and week out on the field. I would like to see the difference that "substantial money" will do, but my suspicion is that this is another smokescreen on the managed decline of the football club to replace Rovers at the Eco power. I would guess the club will not be there in another 3 years.

[Campsall rover]

Unbelievable that anyone would want to keep DS!!! But I do agree - we keep choosing bad managers! Get rid of the man who brought in DS and who determines strategy / player recruitment…….Coppinger!!!!

That is exactly why the owners and CEO of Doncaster Rovers brought the post in and appointed JC, so that the appalling budget being given and thus the poor squad would be blamed for it and not the ownership. DSwould be quite good, if his budget allowed to have players who can play, he doesn't have that, so he has to cope with and  put up with the incompetence being shown week in and week out on the field. I would like to see the difference that "substantial money" will do, but my suspicion is that this is another smokescreen on the managed decline of the football club to replace Rovers at the Eco power. I would guess the club will not be there in another 3 years.

Well if we are in National league North not much point in playing in a 15.000 seater stadium is there.

But to suggest that is the plan Barmby Rover then it is indeed Barmy.  What is the motive for that do you think?
Not the 1at time, I think it was you, that has posted the same or similar. 

Care to elaborate for us. What’s the big plan TB and DB & GB have for the club?

[dickos1]

It seems there are plenty of other folk who are of the same opinion as me,
Maybe the ones who want him gone are much more vocal about it but it does seem on this thread all the ones who strongly want him gone are the same names that post about it all day everyday, but the ones wanting to give him a go are people who don’t post all the time about it.

91.6% says your in a massive minority.

That pole is not Twitter, Face Book, but this DRFC Viking forum.
Ave age will probably be over 50 ( I have no facts on that but think it will be well over 50 ) so long term
die hard supporters in the case of quite a serious number i would think.

Of course it’s a minority, I didn’t suggest otherwise! Was just pointing out there are others who are willing to give him the summer to build his squad

Have you been watching the matches this season dickos.
We have been served up a diet of total dross.
My 10 yr old Grandson has had enough.  He has decided Liverpool are his team now not Rovers.

When we had Dave Penney we played fast exciting attacking football, win lose or draw.
Duff did the same at Cheltenham
I could name dozens of rookie managers who did the same.

DS has served us up with a diet of boring insipid dross for 6 months
 
Don’t insult our intelligence. 91% of our fans are not idiots. 

You’re changing the point, I was only responding to the point people were making about him not having any experience.

[Campsall rover]

It seems there are plenty of other folk who are of the same opinion as me,
Maybe the ones who want him gone are much more vocal about it but it does seem on this thread all the ones who strongly want him gone are the same names that post about it all day everyday, but the ones wanting to give him a go are people who don’t post all the time about it.

91.6% says your in a massive minority.

That pole is not Twitter, Face Book, but this DRFC Viking forum.
Ave age will probably be over 50 ( I have no facts on that but think it will be well over 50 ) so long term
die hard supporters in the case of quite a serious number i would think.

Of course it’s a minority, I didn’t suggest otherwise! Was just pointing out there are others who are willing to give him the summer to build his squad

Have you been watching the matches this season dickos.
We have been served up a diet of total dross.
My 10 yr old Grandson has had enough.  He has decided Liverpool are his team now not Rovers.

When we had Dave Penney we played fast exciting attacking football, win lose or draw.
Duff did the same at Cheltenham
I could name dozens of rookie managers who did the same.

DS has served us up with a diet of boring insipid dross for 6 months
 
Don’t insult our intelligence. 91% of our fans are not idiots. 

You’re changing the point, I was only responding to the point people were making about him not having any experience.

It was more of a reply to another of your posts rather than this one.
You said plenty of coaches have to start somewhere. Yes they do but many of them play attacking football.
Most of them don’t bore the pants off their fans with total dross on the field.

If you can defend what we have seen in the last 6 months then good on you but thousands of others are not going to put up with watching this rubbish any longer.

[BigH]

Some selective stats in that last paragraph BST:

O'Driscoll was named boss on 9/9/2006. Rovers lost that day. He then lost two of the following 11 games, winning 2 and drawing 7. He then won 7 of the following 8 games. His first season was also the one we won the JPT. After which, yes, I grant you the team largely packed up and went to the beach.

Schofield's first 12 games: W5 D1 L6 (including the loss to Kings Lynn). Form since: P18 W4 D3 L11. Exclude that block of 3 wins in February and we've been in freefall. Injuries have been a factor but freefall...

Yes, it was a slow start for O'Driscoll and he had a much better bunch of players than Schofield has now but, come on, there's no comparison.

I'm talking about his start as Bournemouth manager. My apologies if that wasn't clear.

Ah, ok.

It's turning into an interesting debate this. Maybe Saunders offers a more hopeful parallel. Schofield's record in results terms is very close to Saunders's  record for the 2011/12 season. And the team was similarly shambolic.

Of course 2011/12 involved the infamous 'experiment' but it was just as awful as now. To his credit, Saunders turned it around in the close season with some shrewd recruitment and commitment to an effective style of play (even if it wasn't particularly easy on the eye).

Not an easy one for the Board.

[BillyStubbsTears]

In fact BST what they did was let our back 3 have the ball particularly Williams and instead closed down on Close and Ravenhill.

CR.
I don't like to make claims that aren't based in fact, so I've just gone back and watched the first 20 minutes of Tuesday's second half again. There were at least 5 occasions where Williams had the ball played to him around the edge of our box and was faced wuth someone sprinting in on him at full pelt. Three times that player launched himself off his feet as Williams played a short pass.

If you're going to make claims, and dish personal abuse, can I ask you to check your facts first please?

[sedwardsdrfc]

Some selective stats in that last paragraph BST:

O'Driscoll was named boss on 9/9/2006. Rovers lost that day. He then lost two of the following 11 games, winning 2 and drawing 7. He then won 7 of the following 8 games. His first season was also the one we won the JPT. After which, yes, I grant you the team largely packed up and went to the beach.

Schofield's first 12 games: W5 D1 L6 (including the loss to Kings Lynn). Form since: P18 W4 D3 L11. Exclude that block of 3 wins in February and we've been in freefall. Injuries have been a factor but freefall...

Yes, it was a slow start for O'Driscoll and he had a much better bunch of players than Schofield has now but, come on, there's no comparison.

I'm talking about his start as Bournemouth manager. My apologies if that wasn't clear.

Ah, ok.

It's turning into an interesting debate this. Maybe Saunders offers a more hopeful parallel. Schofield's record in results terms is very close to Saunders's  record for the 2011/12 season. And the team was similarly shambolic.

Of course 2011/12 involved the infamous 'experiment' but it was just as awful as now. To his credit, Saunders turned it around in the close season with some shrewd recruitment and commitment to an effective style of play (even if it wasn't particularly easy on the eye).

Not an easy one for the Board.

Difference with Saunders was as you say the madness of the experiment but also in the championship gravity is always against us. That buys managers a lot of credit.

The opposite is true in L2

[drfchound]

Some selective stats in that last paragraph BST:

O'Driscoll was named boss on 9/9/2006. Rovers lost that day. He then lost two of the following 11 games, winning 2 and drawing 7. He then won 7 of the following 8 games. His first season was also the one we won the JPT. After which, yes, I grant you the team largely packed up and went to the beach.

Schofield's first 12 games: W5 D1 L6 (including the loss to Kings Lynn). Form since: P18 W4 D3 L11. Exclude that block of 3 wins in February and we've been in freefall. Injuries have been a factor but freefall...

Yes, it was a slow start for O'Driscoll and he had a much better bunch of players than Schofield has now but, come on, there's no comparison.

I'm talking about his start as Bournemouth manager. My apologies if that wasn't clear.

Ah, ok.

It's turning into an interesting debate this. Maybe Saunders offers a more hopeful parallel. Schofield's record in results terms is very close to Saunders's  record for the 2011/12 season. And the team was similarly shambolic.

Of course 2011/12 involved the infamous 'experiment' but it was just as awful as now. To his credit, Saunders turned it around in the close season with some shrewd recruitment and commitment to an effective style of play (even if it wasn't particularly easy on the eye).

Not an easy one for the Board.

I’m not sure how bst was talking about SoDs start as Bournmouth manager as he clearly mentions the loss to Kings Lynn.

[Campsall rover]

In fact BST what they did was let our back 3 have the ball particularly Williams and instead closed down on Close and Ravenhill.

CR.
I don't like to make claims that aren't based in fact, so I've just gone back and watched the first 20 minutes of Tuesday's second half again. There were at least 5 occasions where Williams had the ball played to him around the edge of our box and was faced wuth someone sprinting in on him at full pelt. Three times that player launched himself off his feet as Williams played a short pass.

If you're going to make claims, and dish personal abuse, can I ask you to check your facts first please?

Excuse me where have I used any personal abuse.
I used exactly the same words you used on me. I think I would call it sarcasm and I was retuning it.
Personal abuse well that’s a good one.
Your arrogance is quite unbelievable BST. You’re never wrong whether it’s politics or football.
Quite unbelievable.

[BillyStubbsTears]

CR.

Go back and have a look at the video of that match.

Then tell me if your snide little jibe about me never being wrong is warranted on this issue.