Danny Schofield

[dickos1]

Saunders and Ferguson both had seasons worse than this and both kept their job, to be given a season with their own squad.
Both succeeded

Not in league 2 though. 
This Coach, he isn’t a manager ( that’s the problem, he has no managerial experience at all )
Is the worst of all time.

He makes Fergie look like Guardiola, Steve Wignal look like Arteta and Wellens look like Klopp.

The Football we have seen from this man is the most boring, uninspiring I have ever witnessed

Yes it was bad under Wellens last season very bad but DS has a better squad than Wellens had last season and we are a league lower.

Wellens would have got us in the play offs this season if he had been our manager with this squad imo.

DS wins this contest of worst ever hands down imo.

The Richardson era you can’t count because there was so much interference from him and Weaver.

Thought we’d agreed managerial experience wasn’t important?
We were at different levels but that’s not really
Important, I don’t think anyone on here was saying it’s ok because we’re not in league 2.
Fact is both had seasons which were far below the expectation, and would’ve probably been sacked by most other clubs.
We stuck with them and they succeeded, hopefully the same will happen again

[Campsall rover]

Saunders and Ferguson both had seasons worse than this and both kept their job, to be given a season with their own squad.
Both succeeded

Not in league 2 though. 
This Coach, he isn’t a manager ( that’s the problem, he has no managerial experience at all )
Is the worst of all time.

He makes Fergie look like Guardiola, Steve Wignal look like Arteta and Wellens look like Klopp.

The Football we have seen from this man is the most boring, uninspiring I have ever witnessed

Yes it was bad under Wellens last season very bad but DS has a better squad than Wellens had last season and we are a league lower.

Wellens would have got us in the play offs this season if he had been our manager with this squad imo.

DS wins this contest of worst ever hands down imo.

The Richardson era you can’t count because there was so much interference from him and Weaver.

Thought we’d agreed managerial experience wasn’t important?
We were at different levels but that’s not really
Important, I don’t think anyone on here was saying it’s ok because we’re not in league 2.
Fact is both had seasons which were far below the expectation, and would’ve probably been sacked by most other clubs.
We stuck with them and they succeeded, hopefully the same will happen again

When did we agree that Managerial experience wasn’t important?
Where on earth have you conjured that one up from.
I certainly have never said that. Quite the opposite in fact. 

[sedwardsdrfc]

Fergie and Saunders didn’t take a team from chasing playoffs to been lucky to stay up. In L2. Any manager for us in the Championship will get a second chance everyone understands that’s a up hill battle. Fergie has us playing really well for periods before we crashed. So there was something to cling to in hope he’d turn it around.

When I say who was the last manager to be this bad I’m talking not just wins and losses it’s the feeling and unpopularity. I don’t remember this level of unanimity. It’s not good and imo it isn’t right for the club to let it fester

[Campsall rover]

dickos you could have got that 2016/17 team promoted out of League 2
That squad should never have been relegated in the 1st place.
Yes they stuck with Fergie based on his record.
Saunders had the experiment didn’t he. Different scenario altogether.

What has DS got or done that justifies keeping him?
Please tell me one thing you like about this last 6 months. Just one?

[sedwardsdrfc]

I’d be amazed if DS sign’s characters like that team had. Rob Jones wouldn’t be considered because he’s not up to playing out the back.

[Campsall rover]

I’d be amazed if DS sign’s characters like that team had. Rob Jones wouldn’t be considered because he’s not up to playing out the back.

No and he would tell DS a few home truths also. He wouldn’t stand for this garbage on the pitch.

[ravenrover]

Perhaps the answer would be to get Radio Sheffield to do a programme all about our disenchantment. In normal circumstances you would want elected reps to present the case, but efforts to get the VSC/Silent Majority to tell us what is actually happening are ignored. The Shadow Board is seemingly unwilling to let us know what they know either. 

When the club adopts a strategy which ducks the key issue the questions to ask are obvious and I find it difficult to believe that the SB and SM don'f press them for a specific statement on the obvious underlying issues. But they tell us nothing informative. It is a strange type of representation. 

What exactly is it that you want me to say that I haven’t already done so?

I’m not here at everybody’s beck and call 24 hours a day!

I do not doubt that you spend a lot of you own time in the service of the supporters and despite my questions seeming to have been ignored, I think I have remained polite and respectful. If I have missed your replies then I apologise.

However, I am not aware of a reply to the principal point I made in my post of 20/04/23 (Club Statement) when you confined your response to a definition of “Whatabouterism”

The same applies to my post on “Let’s talk about the Newport Co game” on 19/04/23 10:15pm.

I asked questions on 2/04/23 at 12:49pm and on 3/04/23 1:56pm “Supporters Board where are you?” And another on the same thread at 6:27pm.

There was also the “Talk about the Crewe A game” on 30/03/23 at 11:46pm

There was also “Sack Schofield now - yes or no” on 29/03/23 at 1:22pm and at 6:02pm and at 9:08pm.

Thank you

Here's a thought, why not write to GB or Copps and ask all the questions you want answering. See if they get back to you with the answers you want

[idler]

This team has under achieved but has been unbalanced since day one.
We could never really challenge seriously without having steel in midfield in my opinion.  That has led to lack of support for front players and extra pressure on the defence. We have been too powder puff and easily bullied in most games.
Our off the ball movement has been poor for the last two seasons as well.

[ForsolongaRover]

Perhaps the answer would be to get Radio Sheffield to do a programme all about our disenchantment. In normal circumstances you would want elected reps to present the case, but efforts to get the VSC/Silent Majority to tell us what is actually happening are ignored. The Shadow Board is seemingly unwilling to let us know what they know either. 

When the club adopts a strategy which ducks the key issue the questions to ask are obvious and I find it difficult to believe that the SB and SM don'f press them for a specific statement on the obvious underlying issues. But they tell us nothing informative. It is a strange type of representation. 

What exactly is it that you want me to say that I haven’t already done so?

I’m not here at everybody’s beck and call 24 hours a day!

I do not doubt that you spend a lot of you own time in the service of the supporters and despite my questions seeming to have been ignored, I think I have remained polite and respectful. If I have missed your replies then I apologise.

However, I am not aware of a reply to the principal point I made in my post of 20/04/23 (Club Statement) when you confined your response to a definition of “Whatabouterism”

The same applies to my post on “Let’s talk about the Newport Co game” on 19/04/23 10:15pm.

I asked questions on 2/04/23 at 12:49pm and on 3/04/23 1:56pm “Supporters Board where are you?” And another on the same thread at 6:27pm.

There was also the “Talk about the Crewe A game” on 30/03/23 at 11:46pm

There was also “Sack Schofield now - yes or no” on 29/03/23 at 1:22pm and at 6:02pm and at 9:08pm.

Thank you

Here's a thought, why not write to GB or Copps and ask all the questions you want answering. See if they get back to you with the answers you want

I have always found those people at the club with whom I have had dealings, like Steve Uttley and Shaun Lockwood, really helpful and honest, but I am only one individual and it is important on matters of this importance for the approach to be on behalf and representative of the body of supporters. We have established communication channels and in that dialogue those who are appointed/elected to represent the fans carry the weight of the majority of those on whose behalf they speak.

So I am content to wait.

[i_ateallthepies]

It will be very telling to see how quickly copps and ds move to bring in the desperately needed fresh talent.
Surely the groundwork is already being done. ?
Surely they have players identified who have been spoken to. ?
Surely as soon as season ends the dead wood is out and the new wood is in?
All these questions and more are about to be answered. We are just Two weeks from season end.
We are all waiting with baited breath.
Over to you copps and ds.
No pressure.

And I’ve just read his recent comments in the dfp. If he thinks fans will judge him on “next season” he can think again. He will be judged in close season around who goes and who comes in, and then I’d say he has around 10 games. Not a season, just 10 games. He has already been judged of course with his performances to date and is in negative equity with supporters confidence and happiness. Copps too.
Something very special has to happen. In a relatively short period of time.

So he wants us to wait until next season to judge him but he's going to judge all of the players based on this season?  Sounds about right.

[Chris Black come back]

Fergie and Saunders didn’t take a team from chasing playoffs to been lucky to stay up. In L2. Any manager for us in the Championship will get a second chance everyone understands that’s a up hill battle. Fergie has us playing really well for periods before we crashed. So there was something to cling to in hope he’d turn it around.

When I say who was the last manager to be this bad I’m talking not just wins and losses it’s the feeling and unpopularity. I don’t remember this level of unanimity. It’s not good and imo it isn’t right for the club to let it fester

Ferguson in 2015/16 wasn't too dissimilar to Schofield. In his first 16 league games after being appointed he managed a respectable 25 points. Over the next 19 league games he managed 10 (ten) points and got us relegated. This was after having the January window and somehow making matters worse, far, far worse.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Fergie and Saunders didn’t take a team from chasing playoffs to been lucky to stay up. In L2. Any manager for us in the Championship will get a second chance everyone understands that’s a up hill battle. Fergie has us playing really well for periods before we crashed. So there was something to cling to in hope he’d turn it around.

When I say who was the last manager to be this bad I’m talking not just wins and losses it’s the feeling and unpopularity. I don’t remember this level of unanimity. It’s not good and imo it isn’t right for the club to let it fester

Ferguson in 2005/6 wasn't too dissimilar to Schofield. In his first 16 league games after being appointed he managed a respectable 25 points. Over the next 19 league games he managed 10 (ten) points and got us relegated. This was after having the January window and somehow making matters worse, far, far worse.

And having a core of Butler, Rowe, Alcock, Coppinger and Williams generally available through that appalling run.

[Move DRFC]

Fergie must have had at least 2 promotions under his belt at that point with Peterborough though. So you’d always be hopefully he’d turn it around, which he did.

How can anyone have an ounce of confidence Schofield will turn this around? We’re not dealing with an experienced manager who’s done it before but is on a bad run. DS has been garbage with both jobs he’s had!

[dickos1]

Saunders and Ferguson both had seasons worse than this and both kept their job, to be given a season with their own squad.
Both succeeded

Not in league 2 though. 
This Coach, he isn’t a manager ( that’s the problem, he has no managerial experience at all )
Is the worst of all time.

He makes Fergie look like Guardiola, Steve Wignal look like Arteta and Wellens look like Klopp.

The Football we have seen from this man is the most boring, uninspiring I have ever witnessed

Yes it was bad under Wellens last season very bad but DS has a better squad than Wellens had last season and we are a league lower.

Wellens would have got us in the play offs this season if he had been our manager with this squad imo.

DS wins this contest of worst ever hands down imo.

The Richardson era you can’t count because there was so much interference from him and Weaver.

Thought we’d agreed managerial experience wasn’t important?
We were at different levels but that’s not really
Important, I don’t think anyone on here was saying it’s ok because we’re not in league 2.
Fact is both had seasons which were far below the expectation, and would’ve probably been sacked by most other clubs.
We stuck with them and they succeeded, hopefully the same will happen again

When did we agree that Managerial experience wasn’t important?
Where on earth have you conjured that one up from.
I certainly have never said that. Quite the opposite in fact. 

When we discussed the many managers that have succeeded with no previous experience, when we discussed the fact that every single manager out there had to have a job at one stage with no experience.
The experience argument is flawed and makes no sense to me

[dickos1]

Fergie and Saunders didn’t take a team from chasing playoffs to been lucky to stay up. In L2. Any manager for us in the Championship will get a second chance everyone understands that’s a up hill battle. Fergie has us playing really well for periods before we crashed. So there was something to cling to in hope he’d turn it around.

When I say who was the last manager to be this bad I’m talking not just wins and losses it’s the feeling and unpopularity. I don’t remember this level of unanimity. It’s not good and imo it isn’t right for the club to let it fester

Under fergie we went one stage further, we were only a few points off the playoffs at one stage and then after a disastrous run we got relegated.
Many on here wanted him sacked and were just as vocal as they are now about it, but a few said he needed time to build his own squad, which turned out to be the correct decision

[dickos1]

dickos you could have got that 2016/17 team promoted out of League 2
That squad should never have been relegated in the 1st place.
Yes they stuck with Fergie based on his record.
Saunders had the experiment didn’t he. Different scenario altogether.

What has DS got or done that justifies keeping him?
Please tell me one thing you like about this last 6 months. Just one?

Dear me,
It wasn’t the squad he inherited that got us promoted it was the players he signed in the summer and a pre season getting his ideas across, if you can’t see that or acknowledge that then I don’t know what to say.
I know you were one of the most vocal about sacking him at the time as you are now with schofield but it’s ok to admit you were wrong

[dickos1]

I’d be amazed if DS sign’s characters like that team had. Rob Jones wouldn’t be considered because he’s not up to playing out the back.

Rob jones wasn’t involved in that promotion

[glosterred]

Saw this on the twitter feed of the @therealefl

We should have kept McSheffrey!


COYR

[Reg of the Rovers]

Saunders and Ferguson both had seasons worse than this and both kept their job, to be given a season with their own squad.
Both succeeded

Not in league 2 though. 
This Coach, he isn’t a manager ( that’s the problem, he has no managerial experience at all )
Is the worst of all time.

He makes Fergie look like Guardiola, Steve Wignal look like Arteta and Wellens look like Klopp.

The Football we have seen from this man is the most boring, uninspiring I have ever witnessed

Yes it was bad under Wellens last season very bad but DS has a better squad than Wellens had last season and we are a league lower.

Wellens would have got us in the play offs this season if he had been our manager with this squad imo.

DS wins this contest of worst ever hands down imo.

The Richardson era you can’t count because there was so much interference from him and Weaver.

Thought we’d agreed managerial experience wasn’t important?
We were at different levels but that’s not really
Important, I don’t think anyone on here was saying it’s ok because we’re not in league 2.
Fact is both had seasons which were far below the expectation, and would’ve probably been sacked by most other clubs.
We stuck with them and they succeeded, hopefully the same will happen again

When did we agree that Managerial experience wasn’t important?
Where on earth have you conjured that one up from.
I certainly have never said that. Quite the opposite in fact. 

When we discussed the many managers that have succeeded with no previous experience, when we discussed the fact that every single manager out there had to have a job at one stage with no experience.
The experience argument is flawed and makes no sense to me

Quite right. The big successful clubs always appoint untested managers with no experience in management or legacy of success, and then tolerate months of abject failure, poor performance, terrible results, and significant fan unrest.

[NickDRFC]

Saunders and Ferguson both had seasons worse than this and both kept their job, to be given a season with their own squad.
Both succeeded

Not in league 2 though. 
This Coach, he isn’t a manager ( that’s the problem, he has no managerial experience at all )
Is the worst of all time.

He makes Fergie look like Guardiola, Steve Wignal look like Arteta and Wellens look like Klopp.

The Football we have seen from this man is the most boring, uninspiring I have ever witnessed

Yes it was bad under Wellens last season very bad but DS has a better squad than Wellens had last season and we are a league lower.

Wellens would have got us in the play offs this season if he had been our manager with this squad imo.

DS wins this contest of worst ever hands down imo.

The Richardson era you can’t count because there was so much interference from him and Weaver.

Thought we’d agreed managerial experience wasn’t important?
We were at different levels but that’s not really
Important, I don’t think anyone on here was saying it’s ok because we’re not in league 2.
Fact is both had seasons which were far below the expectation, and would’ve probably been sacked by most other clubs.
We stuck with them and they succeeded, hopefully the same will happen again

When did we agree that Managerial experience wasn’t important?
Where on earth have you conjured that one up from.
I certainly have never said that. Quite the opposite in fact. 

When we discussed the many managers that have succeeded with no previous experience, when we discussed the fact that every single manager out there had to have a job at one stage with no experience.
The experience argument is flawed and makes no sense to me

Quite right. The big successful clubs always appoint untested managers with no experience in management or legacy of success, and then tolerate months of abject failure, poor performance, terrible results, and significant fan unrest.

I’m no fan of Schofield but to be fair you’ve just described Arsenal and Arteta pretty perfectly and he’s managed to turn that around.

[mushRTID]

I’m going to try and get behind him.
Managers do have tough starts and turn things around.
Hopefully he is just getting his mistakes out the way early in his career and learns from them.
That’s the thing with young coaches, that’s not his fault it was our decision to go down that route.

Add to that he clearly wasn’t backed in January and has (whether people want to accept it or not) had a bad injury list to contend with.

He’s obviously here to stay for now so for my own good more than anything I will see what happens.

One thing for sure. If he does come through this period and turn it round, this period will have absolutely made him stronger.
Despite the grief he’s been getting I don’t feel like he’s hidden.

[Reg of the Rovers]

Saunders and Ferguson both had seasons worse than this and both kept their job, to be given a season with their own squad.
Both succeeded

Not in league 2 though. 
This Coach, he isn’t a manager ( that’s the problem, he has no managerial experience at all )
Is the worst of all time.

He makes Fergie look like Guardiola, Steve Wignal look like Arteta and Wellens look like Klopp.

The Football we have seen from this man is the most boring, uninspiring I have ever witnessed

Yes it was bad under Wellens last season very bad but DS has a better squad than Wellens had last season and we are a league lower.

Wellens would have got us in the play offs this season if he had been our manager with this squad imo.

DS wins this contest of worst ever hands down imo.

The Richardson era you can’t count because there was so much interference from him and Weaver.

Thought we’d agreed managerial experience wasn’t important?
We were at different levels but that’s not really
Important, I don’t think anyone on here was saying it’s ok because we’re not in league 2.
Fact is both had seasons which were far below the expectation, and would’ve probably been sacked by most other clubs.
We stuck with them and they succeeded, hopefully the same will happen again

When did we agree that Managerial experience wasn’t important?
Where on earth have you conjured that one up from.
I certainly have never said that. Quite the opposite in fact. 

When we discussed the many managers that have succeeded with no previous experience, when we discussed the fact that every single manager out there had to have a job at one stage with no experience.
The experience argument is flawed and makes no sense to me

Quite right. The big successful clubs always appoint untested managers with no experience in management or legacy of success, and then tolerate months of abject failure, poor performance, terrible results, and significant fan unrest.

I’m no fan of Schofield but to be fair you’ve just described Arsenal and Arteta pretty perfectly and he’s managed to turn that around.

He might have picked a few bits up during his long career at the highest level of football, his international career, and his years of learning as Pep's second in command? I'm also not sure his transition was as abject as this, or that the fans were so united in opposition. Even so I'd suggest it was an atypical appointment, and not generally how big clubs operate?

[Rovers91]

Think we can all agree he has done shite and it has gone worse than expected. If he is still to be here next season the board need to seriously back him so there is no excuses.
We need a marquee signing very very early doors to try bring fans back on side and I think he needs a new assistant in the back room staff with a bit more experience than what we have.
We also need to get Blunt out forgot about that point.

[Canadian Rover]

Copps knew that Gary Mcsheffrey had no support or budget. The fans were given the impression via the propaganda machine that we had a budget to bounce back decisively. From the outside it looked like Mcsheffrey was doing a terrible job. When Mcsheffrey was sacked this was the statement from Blunt.

The club’s chairman, David Blunt, said in a statement: “While results so far in Sky Bet League Two have been largely positive, there has been a growing concern over the standard of performances in matches and a lack of progress between games.

“We feel this is threatening our ability to achieve our stated goals for the season.

“We have also been disappointed that our wishes for a particular style of play and overall identity, which were clearly laid out over the summer, have not been brought into effect in competitive matches.

We are confident the squad that has been assembled is more than capable of challenging for promotion with an entertaining and attacking approach, and have reached a consensus that change is required in order to ensure we have the best chance of doing so.

*********

So what's changed? If Mcsheffreys style of play wasn't good enough then how is Danny Schofields? If the squad of players were good enough for promotion under Gary Mcsheffrey how are they now the worst in the country on form now?

I know injuries have been bad but we've looked awful under Danny's stint as Manager. He needs to go. And so does Blunt too.

[EasyforDennis]

If the stories about significantly more funds next season are true and I am somewhat skeptical after some of the promises we have been made over the last 2 years!!
To save money why don't we get one less player signed and the money saved from that we can pay off our head coach? 

[DonnyBazR0ver]

Copps knew that Gary Mcsheffrey had no support or budget. The fans were given the impression via the propaganda machine that we had a budget to bounce back decisively. From the outside it looked like Mcsheffrey was doing a terrible job. When Mcsheffrey was sacked this was the statement from Blunt.

The club’s chairman, David Blunt, said in a statement: “While results so far in Sky Bet League Two have been largely positive, there has been a growing concern over the standard of performances in matches and a lack of progress between games.

“We feel this is threatening our ability to achieve our stated goals for the season.

“We have also been disappointed that our wishes for a particular style of play and overall identity, which were clearly laid out over the summer, have not been brought into effect in competitive matches.

We are confident the squad that has been assembled is more than capable of challenging for promotion with an entertaining and attacking approach, and have reached a consensus that change is required in order to ensure we have the best chance of doing so.

*********

So what's changed? If Mcsheffreys style of play wasn't good enough then how is Danny Schofields? If the squad of players were good enough for promotion under Gary Mcsheffrey how are they now the worst in the country on form now?

I know injuries have been bad but we've looked awful under Danny's stint as Manager. He needs to go. And so does Blunt too.

As with all styles of football, whatever the preferred formation, if any of the parts faulter, the machine falls apart. If replacement parts aren't readily available and you're bodging up, then it's really difficult.

With all human beings, we tend to want to find a single fault. We go round in circles pointing fingers, is it the players, is it the manager, is it the owners? Its a combination of all those. When clubs find success it's also difficult to pinpoint how it all came together and that's why there are more failures than successes in football.

Even before this season ends, there's already a high degree of sceptism before we go into the transfer window and the new season. This can only make life more difficult for everyone but that scepticism has plagued us throughout our history.

Our HoF is backing Schofield going into next season. All I'm saying is he's eminently more qualified than I or any of us to make footballing decisions. Yes, he's also human and we should allow him to make mistakes and learn.

As he says, we can't keep calling for managers heads everytime things go wrong, we can't put Copps on notice each time there's a coach we deem to be failing, we can't keep calling for new additional investmen or ownership, each time there's a campaign that doesn't achieve promotion.

As difficult as it is, we should at least try to wipe the slate clean for next season and take each game on merit. Please leave the knives at home. Ha ha.

[Donnybax]

Interesting thought.

Who was the last permanent (not caretaker) manager that we sacked without giving them at least a close season in charge?

Anyone?

Dickov?

[roversdude]

Kevin Philips is available after leaving South Shields full of ambition and a promotion on his cv already

[Prez]

Kevin Philips is available after leaving South Shields full of ambition and a promotion on his cv already

But is he Copps mate?

[Canadian Rover]

As he says, we can't keep calling for managers heads everytime things go wrong, we can't put Copps on notice each time there's a coach we deem to be failing, we can't keep calling for new additional investment or ownership, each time there's a campaign that doesn't achieve promotion.
[/quote]

Agreed. However the communication from the board is certainly heavily to blame for the appointments and sackings.

A power struggle between managers and board have happened on more than one occasion leading to resignations and sackings.

From statements like "we aren't in a relegation fight" to "bouncing back decisively" to Mcsheffrey not meeting the standards " We are confident the squad that has been assembled is more than capable of challenging for promotion with an entertaining and attacking approach" to now Terry's acknowledgement of a lack of funding for the first team... All after months of messages about self sustainability.

We now have someone as head coach the vast majority of fans don't back. We find the football dull and truth be told the set up poor. The recruitment has matched that. Danny spoke about needing more physicality in the team yet loaned Nelson from Leicester, Todd Miller from Brighton and signed Lavery from Scunny. These lads maybe good footballers in the future or squad players but none are what we needed for this division. Brown also doesn't really cut it, certainly not in comparison to Knoyle. Was this all down to money or lack of it in January as Copps alluded to?

Well either way the recruitment was poor. The football poorer. The expectations set for the fans come from the board.

It's maybe a case of the boy who cried wolf. Because fans aren't believing what's been said and have no faith anymore. Maybe though with regards to investment and forward plans and vision it's the truth... But like the villagers nobody believes what is said anymore.