Danny Schofield

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Kevin Philips is available after leaving South Shields full of ambition and a promotion on his cv already

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Kevin Philips is available after leaving South Shields full of ambition and a promotion on his cv already

But is he Copps mate?

Was Schofield Copps mate before Copps’ interactions with Huddersfield? Genuine question

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Kevin Philips is available after leaving South Shields full of ambition and a promotion on his cv already

But is he Copps mate?

Was Schofield Copps mate before Copps’ interactions with Huddersfield? Genuine question

No idea in truth mate. Was just a tongue in cheek post from me.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Interesting thought.

Who was the last permanent (not caretaker) manager that we sacked without giving them at least a close season in charge?

Anyone?

Dickov?

No. He got two L1 close seasons I think. 2014 and 2015. Plus of course, most of 2013 before our Championship season.

[Reg of the Rovers]

Kevin Philips is available after leaving South Shields full of ambition and a promotion on his cv already

But is he Copps mate?

Was Schofield Copps mate before Copps’ interactions with Huddersfield? Genuine question

Mate or not, it exposes the flimsiness of Copps' contacts if the only bloke he's willing to back is the one he met when he'd been sent on a crash course to learn the job he was completely unqualified and ill-equipped for. And Schofield's inflexibility on the pitch is being mirrored by Copps' in the boardroom and slowly strangling the life out of us.

[Branton Red]

When comparing the current situation to when other managers in the past have overseen similarly rotten form there is one thing you all seem to be neglecting.

It's the one thing that has made me much more vociferous and vocal (online not at the games) on this manager than any of the others. And much more worried.

And that's the jeopardy involved.

If Danny Schofield is unable to turn things round with new signings and the form since New Year (including before the injury crisis struck) continues into next season then.....

......Doncaster Rovers will be under serious threat of getting relegated out of the Football League.

In my view giving him time is really not a risk worth taking given the potential downside consequence.

[Donnybax]

Interesting thought.

Who was the last permanent (not caretaker) manager that we sacked without giving them at least a close season in charge?

Anyone?

Dickov?

No. He got two L1 close seasons I think. 2014 and 2015. Plus of course, most of 2013 before our Championship season.

apologies, misread it

[Chris Black come back]

Dickov was appointed 20 May 2013 and left on 8 September 2015.

He had the close season at start of 2013/14, 2014/15 and 2015/16 seasons.

[BillyStubbsTears]

When comparing the current situation to when other managers in the past have overseen similarly rotten form there is one thing you all seem to be neglecting.

It's the one thing that has made me much more vociferous and vocal (online not at the games) on this manager than any of the others. And much more worried.

And that's the jeopardy involved.

If Danny Schofield is unable to turn things round with new signings and the form since New Year (including before the injury crisis struck) continues into next season then.....

......Doncaster Rovers will be under serious threat of getting relegated out of the Football League.

In my view giving him time is really not a risk worth taking given the potential downside consequence.

Why?

Before the injury crisis really took hold, he was getting mid-table form out of a mid-table group of players.

[drfchound]

I would say we were getting mid table results but the form and quality of football was certainly not mid table.

[ncRover]

When comparing the current situation to when other managers in the past have overseen similarly rotten form there is one thing you all seem to be neglecting.

It's the one thing that has made me much more vociferous and vocal (online not at the games) on this manager than any of the others. And much more worried.

And that's the jeopardy involved.

If Danny Schofield is unable to turn things round with new signings and the form since New Year (including before the injury crisis struck) continues into next season then.....

......Doncaster Rovers will be under serious threat of getting relegated out of the Football League.

In my view giving him time is really not a risk worth taking given the potential downside consequence.

Why?

Before the injury crisis really took hold, he was getting mid-table form out of a mid-table group of players.

Do you think he has it in him to improve a group of players so that they achieve more than it would seem they could on paper? So that they can become more than the sum of their parts? That is objective of the role he is in.

It has been achieved by those in charge at Leyton Orient, Stevenage, Northampton and Carlisle.

On the flip side, Salford and Bradford should really be doing better.

If like Salford and Bradford we are sat in 7th/8th next season and don’t get promoted can we really say “oh well that’s the level of the players and the budget”.

Things are more always more complicated than that and the smarter managers get ahead by other means. Billy can you give me examples of where DS has changed his set up pre/in-game to gain a tactical advantage?

Also to add to that hound is correct.

[danumdon]

Our early season luck, rather than form skewered the equation.

Without that initial luck we would now be in grave danger for our league survival.

[Branton Red]

When comparing the current situation to when other managers in the past have overseen similarly rotten form there is one thing you all seem to be neglecting.

It's the one thing that has made me much more vociferous and vocal (online not at the games) on this manager than any of the others. And much more worried.

And that's the jeopardy involved.

If Danny Schofield is unable to turn things round with new signings and the form since New Year (including before the injury crisis struck) continues into next season then.....

......Doncaster Rovers will be under serious threat of getting relegated out of the Football League.

In my view giving him time is really not a risk worth taking given the potential downside consequence.

Why?

Before the injury crisis really took hold, he was getting mid-table form out of a mid-table group of players.

Give over

Form since New Year. 20 games and 15 points.

First 10 of those games selecting the starting XI almost exclusively from the core 15 best players before the injury crisis took hold: 10 points.

Second 10 of those games with increasing numbers of core players unavailable: 5 points.

We have been in relegation form since New Year. Half of that time playing the best XI or very close to it.

Want to risk that continuing into next season? I don't.

[Campsall rover]

When comparing the current situation to when other managers in the past have overseen similarly rotten form there is one thing you all seem to be neglecting.

It's the one thing that has made me much more vociferous and vocal (online not at the games) on this manager than any of the others. And much more worried.

And that's the jeopardy involved.

If Danny Schofield is unable to turn things round with new signings and the form since New Year (including before the injury crisis struck) continues into next season then.....

......Doncaster Rovers will be under serious threat of getting relegated out of the Football League.

In my view giving him time is really not a risk worth taking given the potential downside consequence.

Why?

Before the injury crisis really took hold, he was getting mid-table form out of a mid-table group of players.

Billy we are not the only team with injuries.
Making that an excuse is very very blinkered. It is not a credible excuse. We were also awful with a fit squad.

Any competent Manager would have changed the system we play a long time ago to 4-3-1-2 or 4-3-3
He has not had the foresight to do that. Not even during a game we were losing. His use of substitutions have been appalling. Either too late in the game or simply like for like making no impact. Or in most games both.

You keep defending a Coach who has shown himself to be inflexible, stubborn, blinkered, tactically incompetent and quite clearly unable to motivate and inspire players.

Every single one of our squad except Maxwell imo has gone backwards as a player under him.
Not counting Barlow, B. Miller or Agard as they have played so few games.
Even Faulkner is not as confident as he was earlier in the season.

The football is desperately boring, we create next to nothing and the fans are leaving in droves.

Sorry BST if you think there is a credible reason for keeping him as coach with all of the above then seriously I don’t get it.

[BillyStubbsTears]

When comparing the current situation to when other managers in the past have overseen similarly rotten form there is one thing you all seem to be neglecting.

It's the one thing that has made me much more vociferous and vocal (online not at the games) on this manager than any of the others. And much more worried.

And that's the jeopardy involved.

If Danny Schofield is unable to turn things round with new signings and the form since New Year (including before the injury crisis struck) continues into next season then.....

......Doncaster Rovers will be under serious threat of getting relegated out of the Football League.

In my view giving him time is really not a risk worth taking given the potential downside consequence.

Why?

Before the injury crisis really took hold, he was getting mid-table form out of a mid-table group of players.

Give over

Form since New Year. 20 games and 15 points.

First 10 of those games selecting the starting XI almost exclusively from the core 15 best players before the injury crisis took hold: 10 points.

Second 10 of those games with increasing numbers of core players unavailable: 5 points.

We have been in relegation form since New Year. Half of that time playing the best XI or very close to it.

Want to risk that continuing into next season? I don't.

If you insist on selectively choosing your timeframe to support the conclusion you want to reach, you'll always arrive at the same conclusion.

[Branton Red]

When comparing the current situation to when other managers in the past have overseen similarly rotten form there is one thing you all seem to be neglecting.

It's the one thing that has made me much more vociferous and vocal (online not at the games) on this manager than any of the others. And much more worried.

And that's the jeopardy involved.

If Danny Schofield is unable to turn things round with new signings and the form since New Year (including before the injury crisis struck) continues into next season then.....

......Doncaster Rovers will be under serious threat of getting relegated out of the Football League.

In my view giving him time is really not a risk worth taking given the potential downside consequence.

Why?

Before the injury crisis really took hold, he was getting mid-table form out of a mid-table group of players.

Give over

Form since New Year. 20 games and 15 points.

First 10 of those games selecting the starting XI almost exclusively from the core 15 best players before the injury crisis took hold: 10 points.

Second 10 of those games with increasing numbers of core players unavailable: 5 points.

We have been in relegation form since New Year. Half of that time playing the best XI or very close to it.

Want to risk that continuing into next season? I don't.

If you insist on selectively choosing your timeframe to support the conclusion you want to reach, you'll always arrive at the same conclusion.

Yes I've chosen a timeframe since New Year.

Since New Year Doncaster Rovers have been in relegation form both before and after the injury crisis struck.

Fact.

[BillyStubbsTears]

CR.

Yesterday we had 13 first team squad players missing through injury or returning from injury and not being fit to start.

That included 4 centre halves, our top scorer and second and third choice strikers, a left back who was the best player in the side until injury and the best two central midfielders at the club.

You keep saying that other clubs have injuries, and I agree, they do. But do you want to find me any other side that has had a list like that and succeded?

[LincolnDonny]

READ THIS Danny Schofield so there is no misunderstanding


WE DON'T WANT YOU

GO NOW !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[BillyStubbsTears]

Branton.

No.You haven't.

You've actually chosen a time frame that started at 17:10 on New Year's Day. Don't try to claim some sort of neutral objectivity here. You've deliberately chosen an arbitrary start to make the point you want to make.

[Branton Red]

Branton.

No.You haven't.

You've actually chosen a time frame that started at 17:10 on New Year's Day. Don't try to claim some sort of neutral objectivity here. You've deliberately chosen an arbitrary start to make the point you want to make.

Sorry are you losing your sanity here?!

Since New Year's Day (if you insist) Rovers have been in relegation form. I'm very concerned that may continue into next season.

[ncRover]

BST talking about being selective whilst ignoring difficult questions, I’ll ask again:

Can you give me examples of where DS has changed his set up pre/in-game to gain an advantage ?

[normal rules]

Am I right in thinking rovers had 21pts when Schofield took over?

[Chris Black come back]

Am I right in thinking rovers had 21pts when Schofield took over?

Correct. From the 14 league games under McSheffrey in League Two this season we won 6, drew 3 and lost 5.

[normal rules]

Am I right in thinking rovers had 21pts when Schofield took over?

Correct. From the 14 league games under McSheffrey in League Two this season we won 6, drew 3 and lost 5.

He won’t be getting a head start next season.
It’s conjecture  I know, but imagine if he managed for the whole of this season.

[Canadian Rover]

Branton.

No.You haven't.

You've actually chosen a time frame that started at 17:10 on New Year's Day. Don't try to claim some sort of neutral objectivity here. You've deliberately chosen an arbitrary start to make the point you want to make.

Billy

He was appointed to get us promoted in style. He's not no style, has no sense of tactical knowledge and has barely avoided relegation.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Am I right in thinking rovers had 21pts when Schofield took over?

Correct. From the 14 league games under McSheffrey in League Two this season we won 6, drew 3 and lost 5.

He won’t be getting a head start next season.
It’s conjecture  I know, but imagine if he managed for the whole of this season.

As I've said elsewhere today, from his appointment until when the injury crisis really started to get silly was about 20 matches - we gained points at the rate about equal to 11-12th place over that period. Not outstanding, but not the bareen wasteland that some would have you beieve.

[drfchound]

And as I and others keep saying, the football being served up was extremely boring and of poor quality.

[Canadian Rover]

Am I right in thinking rovers had 21pts when Schofield took over?

Correct. From the 14 league games under McSheffrey in League Two this season we won 6, drew 3 and lost 5.

He won’t be getting a head start next season.
It’s conjecture  I know, but imagine if he managed for the whole of this season.

As I've said elsewhere today, from his appointment until when the injury crisis really started to get silly was about 20 matches - we gained points at the rate about equal to 11-12th place over that period. Not outstanding, but not the bareen wasteland that some would have you beieve.

So less successful than Mcsheffrey and in a worse style?

Failure.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Branton.

A week or two ago, you were lecturing us that looking at Schofield's early spell in charge was unfair as we played a lot of weak sides.

Yet, over the last few days you have hammered on a his record of three wins from an arbitrarily chosen 10 games - a period that included 8 games against promotion/playoff contenders.

Now you're running that period into the subsequent 10 games where even you accept that we've had an injury crisis.

Which way do you really want to play it, because it looks like you're choosing every possible mutually contradictory slant to emphasise your point.

[Branton Red]

Branton.

A week or two ago, you were lecturing us that looking at Schofield's early spell in charge was unfair as we played a lot of weak sides.

Yet, over the last few days you have hammered on a his record of three wins from an arbitrarily chosen 10 games - a period that included 8 games against promotion/playoff contenders.

Now you're running that period into the subsequent 10 games where even you accept that we've had an injury crisis.

Which way do you really want to play it, because it looks like you're choosing every possible mutually contradictory slant to emphasise your point.

Rovers played Hartlepool (22nd), Tranmere (14th), Barrow (12th), Harrogate (21st) all at home in those 10 games. None are/were at the time serious play off contenders

Want to try again?