Danny Schofield

[BillyStubbsTears]

Tranmere would have been 1 point off the playoffs had they beaten us that day.

Barrow were four points off when we played them. Had they beaten us, they'd have gone into March 2 points off 7th place. Of course they were both contenders.

[sedwardsdrfc]

What place were we when McSheffery left? If the best DS has done is pick up points for a short spell at at a very mid table rate it’s not really an endorsement of him.

[Campsall rover]

CR.

Yesterday we had 13 first team squad players missing through injury or returning from injury and not being fit to start.

That included 4 centre halves, our top scorer and second and third choice strikers, a left back who was the best player in the side until injury and the best two central midfielders at the club.

You keep saying that other clubs have injuries, and I agree, they do. But do you want to find me any other side that has had a list like that and succeded?

For a start how many goals has George Miller scored since DS arrived?  3 goals. 2 in one game.
Why because of the way he sets the team up.

There is no point is there having a discussion because your blinkers are bigger than the ones DS is wearing.

[Canadian Rover]

CR.

Yesterday we had 13 first team squad players missing through injury or returning from injury and not being fit to start.

That included 4 centre halves, our top scorer and second and third choice strikers, a left back who was the best player in the side until injury and the best two central midfielders at the club.

You keep saying that other clubs have injuries, and I agree, they do. But do you want to find me any other side that has had a list like that and succeded?

For a start how many goals has George Miller scored since DS arrived?  3 goals. 2 in one game.
Why because of the way he sets the team up.

There is no point is there having a discussion because your blinkers are bigger than the ones DS is wearing.

But look how effective his signature forward signings have done!! Lavery and Todd Miller have been on fire!

[BillyStubbsTears]

What place were we when McSheffery left? If the best DS has done is pick up points for a short spell at at a very mid table rate it’s not really an endorsement of him.

Once again. Because we'd had a very fortuitous spell of results at the start of the season. By September, we were already rumbled. Get in Clayton's face, and since he is about as quick as glacial erosion, our style of play would (and did) fall apart.

Then there was the retirement of our real bright spot - Tomlin. By early Autumn, we were settling down to what we really were - a mid table side that had massively over-achieved for the first few games.

[Branton Red]

Tranmere would have been 1 point off the playoffs had they beaten us that day.

Barrow were four points off when we played them. Had they beaten us, they'd have gone into March 2 points off 7th place. Of course they were both contenders.

Yet Rovers "haven't been serious playoff contenders all season." Even when they were 8th and 1 point off the play offs on 1st January

See your inconsistency??  It looks like you're choosing every possible mutually contradictory slant to emphasise your point.

On the basis of the above 15 out of 24 teams were play off contenders around that time (sorry 14 forgot to take Rovers off).

[sedwardsdrfc]

The point on Miller is valid I think. If your going to look beyond results to context then we need to go deeper and recognise that Miller wasn’t the same player under DS. Losing a player who barely touched the ball isn’t the same as losing the player who scored those goals early season.

[Campsall rover]

Branton you and me are wasting our time.

Billy is never wrong.
He will the same as dickos argue that Black is White and Red is Blue and Green is Yellow. 

[BillyStubbsTears]

Tranmere would have been 1 point off the playoffs had they beaten us that day.

Barrow were four points off when we played them. Had they beaten us, they'd have gone into March 2 points off 7th place. Of course they were both contenders.

Yet Rovers "haven't been serious playoff contenders all season." Even when they were 8th and 1 point of the play offs on 1st January

See your inconsistency??  It looks like you're choosing every possible mutually contradictory slant to emphasise your point.

On the basis of the above 15 out of 24 teams were play off contenders around that time (sorry 14 forgot to take Rovers off).

Branton.

You really do insist on looking at dates and figure in isolation.

On 1st Jan, yes we're were 1 point off the playoffs. But we had been in nothing like playoff form for over 4 months, since that early glut of points. We had picked up 23 points in the previous 18 games. It was the very dictionary definition of a false position.

Even with that fantastic early run, we hadn't been in a playoff position since mid September.

Tranmere had been in the playoff positions a month later and although they had a poor Nov/Dec, they were back in form from Xmas. Had they beaten us at KMS (you say our win was daylight robbery) that would have come in the middle of a run of 23 points in 13 games - the sort of run that brings midtable sides into the playoff pack.

Barrow had been in the playoff positions most of the autumn. They also had a dip, but then bounced back. Had they beaten us, they'd have been 2 points off the playoffs as late as 1 April.

Do you really want to continue this?

[BillyStubbsTears]

CR.

And there you go again.

Have a think.

Why is ME giving reasoned arguments to support an opinion "me never being wrong"? But YOU giving your opinion and dismissing what I say, perfectly reasonable?

I'm giving an opinion. You can agree with it or not. You can ignore it altogether if you like. Why get so angry and personal about it?

[Campsall rover]

CR.

And there you go again.

Have a think.

Why is ME giving reasoned arguments to support an opinion "me never being wrong"? But YOU giving your opinion and dismissing what I say, perfectly reasonable?

I'm giving an opinion. You can agree with it or not. You can ignore it altogether if you like. Why get so angry and personal about it?

Because your reasoning first of all is flawed. Secondly you don’t answer the question.
Are you not answering because you know deep down that DS is not capable of getting us promoted?
No I am not getting angry with you BST you’re entitled to your opinion as I have said. No also i am not getting personal either. Where am I being personal?
You are obviously not happy at me being persistent and wanting your answer.  Which you are refusing to give. Why is that?

[dickos1]

Kevin Philips is available after leaving South Shields full of ambition and a promotion on his cv already

But is he Copps mate?

Schofield wasn’t

[dickos1]

Branton you and me are wasting our time.

Billy is never wrong.
He will the same as dickos argue that Black is White and Red is Blue and Green is Yellow. 

You really are an embarrassment!
When you’ve no answer you just resort to name calling.

[Campsall rover]

Branton you and me are wasting our time.

Billy is never wrong.
He will the same as dickos argue that Black is White and Red is Blue and Green is Yellow. 

You really are an embarrassment!
When you’ve no answer you just resort to name calling.

No answer.  I thought it was me that asked the question.
You will argue till the cows come home. Hardly name calling is it? 

[dickos1]

Branton you and me are wasting our time.

Billy is never wrong.
He will the same as dickos argue that Black is White and Red is Blue and Green is Yellow. 

You really are an embarrassment!
When you’ve no answer you just resort to name calling.

No answer.  I thought it was me that asked the question.
You will argue till the cows come home. Hardly name calling is it? 

You’ve got your opinion, I’ve got mine, but numerous times you mention me in your posts.
It’s embarrassing

[BillyStubbsTears]

CR.

And there you go again.

Have a think.

Why is ME giving reasoned arguments to support an opinion "me never being wrong"? But YOU giving your opinion and dismissing what I say, perfectly reasonable?

I'm giving an opinion. You can agree with it or not. You can ignore it altogether if you like. Why get so angry and personal about it?

Because your reasoning first of all is flawed. Secondly you don’t answer the question.
Are you not answering because you know deep down that DS is not capable of getting us promoted?
No I am not getting angry with you BST you’re entitled to your opinion as I have said. No also i am not getting personal either. Where am I being personal?
You are obviously not happy at me being persistent and wanting your answer.  Which you are refusing to give. Why is that?

CR

I've given my answer. On balance, I'd prefer to keep Schofield rather than have yet another upheaval. Because I don't agree with the arguments that he and he alone has been responsible for the disaster of this season.

I cannot say whether he will win us promotion, any more than anyone else can say that any manager will.

I don't feel the need to answer every single question that someone fires at me, especially when I've answered it already.

[Dagenham Rover]

On balance, I'd prefer to keep Schofield rather than have yet another upheaval. Because I don't agree with the arguments that he and he alone has been responsible for the disaster of this season.

I cannot say whether he will win us promotion, any more than anyone else can say that any manager will.


[/quote]  Not too often I agree BST  but  yup do this time, cant be bothered to sort it out so it quotes properly

[Canadian Rover]

Bring in an experienced manager now and we'll avoid more upheaval in January.

[DonnyOsmond]

Am I right in thinking rovers had 21pts when Schofield took over?

Correct. From the 14 league games under McSheffrey in League Two this season we won 6, drew 3 and lost 5.

He won’t be getting a head start next season.
It’s conjecture  I know, but imagine if he managed for the whole of this season.

As I've said elsewhere today, from his appointment until when the injury crisis really started to get silly was about 20 matches - we gained points at the rate about equal to 11-12th place over that period. Not outstanding, but not the bareen wasteland that some would have you beieve.

So less successful than Mcsheffrey and in a worse style?

Failure.

Think people romanticise what McSheffrey did. His football certainly wasn't prime Guardiola. I had a bad neck from watching McSheffreyball.

[ncRover]

BST talking about being selective whilst ignoring difficult questions, I’ll ask again:

Can you give me examples of where DS has changed his set up pre/in-game to gain an advantage ?

Or can anyone else please? Dickos1?

[Reg of the Rovers]

Bring in an experienced manager now and we'll avoid more upheaval in January.

This is key for me, we are going to have to have the upheaval at some point, there is nothing in any of our discussions that suggest Schofield is a good or even competent manager, only the extent to which his abject failure should be mitigated by other factors. So in my opinion we are much better to pull the plaster off now, it will be unpleasant and disruptive, but gives a full pre-season to get in a decent manager, and more importantly means the generous once every few years investment from our owners is spent on a long term plan, rather than a manager clinging on to a job by his fingernails for a couple more painful months.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

CR.

And there you go again.

Have a think.

Why is ME giving reasoned arguments to support an opinion "me never being wrong"? But YOU giving your opinion and dismissing what I say, perfectly reasonable?

I'm giving an opinion. You can agree with it or not. You can ignore it altogether if you like. Why get so angry and personal about it?

Because your reasoning first of all is flawed. Secondly you don’t answer the question.
Are you not answering because you know deep down that DS is not capable of getting us promoted?
No I am not getting angry with you BST you’re entitled to your opinion as I have said. No also i am not getting personal either. Where am I being personal?
You are obviously not happy at me being persistent and wanting your answer.  Which you are refusing to give. Why is that?

CR

I've given my answer. On balance, I'd prefer to keep Schofield rather than have yet another upheaval. Because I don't agree with the arguments that he and he alone has been responsible for the disaster of this season.

I cannot say whether he will win us promotion, any more than anyone else can say that any manager will.

I don't feel the need to answer every single question that someone fires at me, especially when I've answered it already.

That's fine you don't want the upheaval and I take injuries as a point (debatable how serious some of these are and how many would be playing if we were more successful but that's a different matter.

However under Schofield our strikers haven't scored goals, that's not personnel that's the system (and I've heard that first hand from one of the strikers finding it a very tough and odd system to play under - and Schofield signed him).

We continually concede goals because he insists on playing out for the back which our players seem incapable of.

He's set us up with 5 at the back in nearly every game for nearly every minute with no intent to change that around.

Players that had form have ended up with none and going backwards.

The transitions between defense, midfield and attack don't work at all well, they're all seperate units with no cohesion.

His choice of substitutions are at best poor.

All of that is on the coaching team.  Yes there are other issues, but it seems fairly logical to me that there's clear weaknesses in the coaching setup right now and I struggle to see how a bit more time and funds will fix the constant use of 5 at the back or isolation of our (previously scoring) strikers.

[Avsuptem]

Presumably Schofield has us playing out from the back partly because Mitchells's long kick is consistently poor and our outfield players are mostly of the lightweight variety and easily beaten to the ball. Similarly we have been victims of the long throw and set  pieces all season, is this coaching ineptitude or is it because we don't have the players needed ?

[roversdude]

Presumably Schofield has us playing out from the back partly because Mitchells's long kick is consistently poor and our outfield players are mostly of the lightweight variety and easily beaten to the ball. Similarly we have been victims of the long throw and set  pieces all season, is this coaching ineptitude or is it because we don't have the players needed ?

The long throw and set pieces has been a problem going back to DM unfortunately

[MachoMadness]

I'm confused by all this talk of us being inflexible and playing out from the back. Yes we do that a lot. We also lump it long. We sit in a low block and play on the counter. We sit in the mid block and play on the counter. But we're shocking at all of it due to the personnel we have available. Playing out from the back is what we're the least bad at, particularly given that we have a keeper who's distribution wouldn't look out of place in a pub team.

My main concern with Schofield at the minute is the obvious fact that this group of players is mentally completely gone and he doesn't look like turning it round. In patches we do ok, but the second something goes against us every player, to a man, completely crashes mentally. Part of that is the personnel but that should be something Schofield can work on to some degree, but whatever he's doing isn't working.

As far as the system and style of play though, Schofield is clearly doing what he can with the most limited group of players we've had in over 20 years.

[moses]

I was talking to someone on Saturday at the game who said we should play to our strengths.

It did make us think, with that team, what our strengths are?

Answers on a postcard please.

[pib]

Am I right in thinking rovers had 21pts when Schofield took over?

Correct. From the 14 league games under McSheffrey in League Two this season we won 6, drew 3 and lost 5.

He won’t be getting a head start next season.
It’s conjecture  I know, but imagine if he managed for the whole of this season.

As I've said elsewhere today, from his appointment until when the injury crisis really started to get silly was about 20 matches - we gained points at the rate about equal to 11-12th place over that period. Not outstanding, but not the bareen wasteland that some would have you beieve.

So less successful than Mcsheffrey and in a worse style?

Failure.

Think people romanticise what McSheffrey did. His football certainly wasn't prime Guardiola. I had a bad neck from watching McSheffreyball.

McSheffrey was awful. Just because it's not gone well since doesn't mean we should've kept him. In reality it was absolute madness to appoint him in the first place when we still had a chance of getting out of the mire in L1. You're only as good as your recruitment, and that goes for players and head coaches/managers.

[danumdon]

Am I right in thinking rovers had 21pts when Schofield took over?

Correct. From the 14 league games under McSheffrey in League Two this season we won 6, drew 3 and lost 5.

He won’t be getting a head start next season.
It’s conjecture  I know, but imagine if he managed for the whole of this season.

As I've said elsewhere today, from his appointment until when the injury crisis really started to get silly was about 20 matches - we gained points at the rate about equal to 11-12th place over that period. Not outstanding, but not the bareen wasteland that some would have you beieve.

So less successful than Mcsheffrey and in a worse style?

Failure.

Think people romanticise what McSheffrey did. His football certainly wasn't prime Guardiola. I had a bad neck from watching McSheffreyball.

McSheffrey was awful. Just because it's not gone well since doesn't mean we should've kept him. In reality it was absolute madness to appoint him in the first place when we still had a chance of getting out of the mire in L1. You're only as good as your recruitment, and that goes for players and head coaches/managers.

The absolute disaster of appointing an inexperienced coach in GM was doubled down on when they then did it all again with the current failure, some sound advice at that point could and should of resulted in us getting some experience and know how into the club and saving out 3rd tier standing.

That point was when the purse should been opened and some quality brought into the club in both players and management, the board are now reaping their own whirlwind of mistakes and misjudgments and its costing TB.

The fact that we seem to have learnt nothing and still allow this failing management regime to persist means by this time next year god only knows how bad it could be. Our league status could well depend on action now.

Nothing will change until changes are implemented, absolutely nothing.

Lets see how long TB is prepared to fund this disaster of a regime under him.

[BillyStubbsTears]

I'm confused by all this talk of us being inflexible and playing out from the back. Yes we do that a lot. We also lump it long. We sit in a low block and play on the counter. We sit in the mid block and play on the counter. But we're shocking at all of it due to the personnel we have available. Playing out from the back is what we're the least bad at, particularly given that we have a keeper who's distribution wouldn't look out of place in a pub team.

My main concern with Schofield at the minute is the obvious fact that this group of players is mentally completely gone and he doesn't look like turning it round. In patches we do ok, but the second something goes against us every player, to a man, completely crashes mentally. Part of that is the personnel but that should be something Schofield can work on to some degree, but whatever he's doing isn't working.

As far as the system and style of play though, Schofield is clearly doing what he can with the most limited group of players we've had in over 20 years.

This.

[Redroy]

I'm confused by all this talk of us being inflexible and playing out from the back. Yes we do that a lot. We also lump it long. We sit in a low block and play on the counter. We sit in the mid block and play on the counter. But we're shocking at all of it due to the personnel we have available. Playing out from the back is what we're the least bad at, particularly given that we have a keeper who's distribution wouldn't look out of place in a pub team.

My main concern with Schofield at the minute is the obvious fact that this group of players is mentally completely gone and he doesn't look like turning it round. In patches we do ok, but the second something goes against us every player, to a man, completely crashes mentally. Part of that is the personnel but that should be something Schofield can work on to some degree, but whatever he's doing isn't working.

As far as the system and style of play though, Schofield is clearly doing what he can with the most limited group of players we've had in over 20 years.

agree tbh