Our Next Leader........

[Bentley Bullet]

https://fb.watch/kfBo8uYBZK/

[scawsby steve]

https://fb.watch/kfBo8uYBZK/

Yeah, but don't forget, BB, they're not all the same. That would be "bothsidesism".

By the way, where's Syd these days?

[belton rover]

He’s taking a break.

[Bentley Bullet]

There will be a few more of his ilk taking a break when that rabble of a Labour Party gets in.

[ncRover]

https://twitter.com/saulstaniforth/status/1653282054979612672?s=46&t=Uj9lS9cW2ksdznjWwHqrkQ

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

The amount of 'pledges' he's dropping is quite something. Perhaps they're now realising they may actually win and thus they can't keep promising the undeliverable.

[selby]

  Old stabber,   I wouldn't trust him to go to the local shop, he has more faces than a diamond.
   He has been caught out too many times undermining the electorate of this country, in the past he would have been hung drawn and quartered for being the traitor he is.

[scawsby steve]

BST? Syd?

Anybody?

[drfchound]

Not many defending Starmer on this thread either.

[Colemans Left Hook]

https://fb.watch/kfBo8uYBZK/

Yeah, but don't forget, BB, they're not all the same. That would be "bothsidesism".

By the way, where's Syd these days?

https://www.facebook.com/classicUKadverts/videos/british-gas-if-you-see-sid-classic-british-tv-and-cinema-adverts/658110961434236/

[Bentley Bullet]

https://scontent-man2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/330446296_1573177266506344_3898700868950870570_n.jpg?_nc_cat=102&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=5cd70e&_nc_ohc=9Rg2JmYpHcsAX8LCOWF&_nc_ht=scontent-man2-1.xx&oh=00_AfBXQdC9DdUXNGhlmRO0pVcokIezeyQnpRKTlyaUDAZXfw&oe=64587C57

[Colin C No.3]

  Old stabber,   I wouldn't trust him to go to the local shop, he has more faces than a diamond.
   He has been caught out too many times undermining the electorate of this country, in the past he would have been hung drawn and quartered for being the traitor he is.

Unlike trustworthy, honourable Boris.

[belton rover]

https://scontent-man2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/330446296_1573177266506344_3898700868950870570_n.jpg?_nc_cat=102&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=5cd70e&_nc_ohc=9Rg2JmYpHcsAX8LCOWF&_nc_ht=scontent-man2-1.xx&oh=00_AfBXQdC9DdUXNGhlmRO0pVcokIezeyQnpRKTlyaUDAZXfw&oe=64587C57

The reason bands do this is because they have a small group of hardcore fans who will pay to see them regardless of how shit they’ve become or who the lead singer is.

[roverstillidie91]

Starmer = Tory lite

[wilts rover]

People who voted for Johnson (and got Truss & Sunak) criticising Labour politicians.

And least some of them have had the decency to admit they were wrong in voting for a dishonest lying fraud. Quite telling the ones who never have tho.

[Bentley Bullet]

If you don't think Keir Starmer is a dishonest lying fraud then perhaps you should focus on your own issues rather than those of others.

[roverstillidie91]

If you don't think Keir Starmer is a dishonest lying fraud then perhaps you should focus on your own issues rather than those of others.

There is no way that I'd vote for Labour with Keir Starmer in charge and there's a lot of people I know of the same view.

From what I read the Lib Dems weren't too far off in terms of seats from Labour.

[BillyStubbsTears]

If you don't think Keir Starmer is a dishonest lying fraud then perhaps you should focus on your own issues rather than those of others.

There is no way that I'd vote for Labour with Keir Starmer in charge and there's a lot of people I know of the same view.

From what I read the Lib Dems weren't too far off in terms of seats from Labour.

Then you'll be voting to keep the Tories in power.

We have a shit system. It's one where you have to vote for the party that is most likely to beat the party you really, really don't want to win.

Not good, but that's what we have. Personally, I'll keep campaigning for PR and I think Starmer has made a huge mistake in coming out against it.

But we are where we are now. Anyone who claims to be on the left and doesn't vote Labour in a Lab-Con fight is supporting the Tories. That's just how it is.

[roverstillidie91]

If you don't think Keir Starmer is a dishonest lying fraud then perhaps you should focus on your own issues rather than those of others.

There is no way that I'd vote for Labour with Keir Starmer in charge and there's a lot of people I know of the same view.

From what I read the Lib Dems weren't too far off in terms of seats from Labour.

Then you'll be voting to keep the Tories in power.

We have a shit system. It's one where you have to vote for the party that is most likely to beat the party you really, really don't want to win.

Not good, but that's what we have. Personally, I'll keep campaigning for PR and I think Starmer has made a huge mistake in coming out against it.

But we are where we are now. Anyone who claims to be on the left and doesn't vote Labour in a Lab-Con fight is supporting the Tories. That's just how it is.

I have no issues with tactical voting to keep the Tories out but with KS i think it is just more of the same, I believe it requires possibly a  coalition and more independent MP's to hold them to account.

KS made countless pledges when campaigning for leader and has now reneged on them, because the right-wing media didn't like Jeremy Corbyn they decided to smear him because it doesn't benefit the oligarchs.

There is apparently a page shared by Carol Vorderman that is showing people how to vote to tactically vote out the Tories and really in needs more people to come out and vote if I'm being honest.

What we don't want is the Tories then getting back in again after the 5 years and starting all over again. Needs change.

The issue is the oligarchs control the Tories and Labour.

[Bentley Bullet]

https://www.spiked-online.com/2023/05/04/the-dizzying-dishonesty-of-keir-starmer/

[mugnapper]

BB posting a magazine article written by baying Marxists??
Are you a Commie now BB?

[drfchound]

Is the article truthful though?

[Colemans Left Hook]

If you don't think Keir Starmer is a dishonest lying fraud then perhaps you should focus on your own issues rather than those of others.

There is no way that I'd vote for Labour with Keir Starmer in charge and there's a lot of people I know of the same view.

From what I read the Lib Dems weren't too far off in terms of seats from Labour.

Then you'll be voting to keep the Tories in power.

We have a shit system. It's one where you have to vote for the party that is most likely to beat the party you really, really don't want to win.

Not good, but that's what we have. Personally, I'll keep campaigning for PR and I think Starmer has made a huge mistake in coming out against it.

But we are where we are now. Anyone who claims to be on the left and doesn't vote Labour in a Lab-Con fight is supporting the Tories. That's just how it is.

I have no issues with tactical voting to keep the Tories out but with KS i think it is just more of the same, I believe it requires possibly a  coalition and more independent MP's to hold them to account.

KS made countless pledges when campaigning for leader and has now reneged on them, because the right-wing media didn't like Jeremy Corbyn they decided to smear him because it doesn't benefit the oligarchs.

There is apparently a page shared by Carol Vorderman that is showing people how to vote to tactically vote out the Tories and really in needs more people to come out and vote if I'm being honest.

What we don't want is the Tories then getting back in again after the 5 years and starting all over again. Needs change.

The issue is the oligarchs control the Tories and Labour.

I 'm surprised she's got the time   "things get on top of her" - sadly I failed the audition 

https://www.hellomagazine.com/celebrities/20230111161463/carol-vorderman-reveals-five-special-friends-love-life/

  ... she's renamed monday- tuesday -wednesday - thursday -friday
to become  Tomday - Dickday- Harryday - Bentley Bulletday -BST Scawsby Steveday

[Bentley Bullet]

BB posting a magazine article written by baying Marxists??
Are you a Commie now BB?

What I am should be of no concern to you. You're not gonna vote for me.

[Colemans Left Hook]

https://tribunemag.co.uk/2022/04/keir-starmer-labour-party-israel-apartheid-palestine-amnesty-report-jewish-chronicle

[BillyStubbsTears]

BB has this obsession that Starmer is a liar of the same mould as Johnson.

He's nailed his colours to that mast many times and, for reasons best known to him, the grown up line of saying "OK, I've reflected on that and I was wrong" isn't available to him.

So he needs confirmation that he is right. And he gets it from a source that is a classic of the genre of dishonesty to make political points. Spiked's main people started off at the extreme left, and went so far in that direction that they re-emerged at the extreme Right. Zealots of that sort will always choose what to push and what to ignore.

This article is SO egregious in that sense, it's really ridiculous to give it any credence. Not because it criticises Starmer - I agree that he's changed position in policy stances. But because it EQUATES that with what Johnson does to the truth.

Read the opening paragraph, concluding with: "Apparently, his occasionally misleading statements, his spinning of statistics, amounted to a fully fledged ‘assault on truth’ itself."

See what he does? Entirely sidetracks the real issue with Johnson. The fact that he lies instinctively and pathologically about EVERYTHING! Instead the author sets up the false premise that what Johnson does is just a bit of spin - what every politician has always done. And implies that the criticisms of him are, consequently, politically motivated. That lays the ground for him to move onto "...and look how bad Starmer is, so why is no-one criticising him" territory.

I would say it's awful journalism, but Spiked has nothing to do with journalism. It's a propaganda rag that has no purpose but to twist minds, run by a gang of people who spent their earlier lives trying to destroy the UK state and failing because they were utterly irrelevant. But who have discovered that they can have a second go on the internet age, because there are always dupes who will agree with and spread their cack. Like BB.

[Sprotyrover]

BB has this obsession that Starmer is a liar of the same mould as Johnson.

He's nailed his colours to that mast many times and, for reasons best known to him, the grown up line of saying "OK, I've reflected on that and I was wrong" isn't available to him.

So he needs confirmation that he is right. And he gets it from a source that is a classic of the genre of dishonesty to make political points. Spiked's main people started off at the extreme left, and went so far in that direction that they re-emerged at the extreme Right. Zealots of that sort will always choose what to push and what to ignore.

This article is SO egregious in that sense, it's really ridiculous to give it any credence. Not because it criticises Starmer - I agree that he's changed position in policy stances. But because it EQUATES that with what Johnson does to the truth.

Read the opening paragraph, concluding with: "Apparently, his occasionally misleading statements, his spinning of statistics, amounted to a fully fledged ‘assault on truth’ itself."

See what he does? Entirely sidetracks the real issue with Johnson. The fact that he lies instinctively and pathologically about EVERYTHING! Instead the author sets up the false premise that what Johnson does is just a bit of spin - what every politician has always done. And implies that the criticisms of him are, consequently, politically motivated. That lays the ground for him to move onto "...and look how bad Starmer is, so why is no-one criticising him" territory.

I would say it's awful journalism, but Spiked has nothing to do with journalism. It's a propaganda rag that has no purpose but to twist minds, run by a gang of people who spent their earlier lives trying to destroy the UK state and failing because they were utterly irrelevant. But who have discovered that they can have a second go on the internet age, because there are always dupes who will agree with and spread their cack. Like BB.

What a load of Clap Trap, clearly someone is using a Starmer ‘Body Double’ to generate all of those incriminating Videos!

[BillyStubbsTears]

Thanks for that well reasoned contribution Sproty. Must have taken you hours to craft that.

[drfchound]

BB has this obsession that Starmer is a liar of the same mould as Johnson.

He's nailed his colours to that mast many times and, for reasons best known to him, the grown up line of saying "OK, I've reflected on that and I was wrong" isn't available to him.

So he needs confirmation that he is right. And he gets it from a source that is a classic of the genre of dishonesty to make political points. Spiked's main people started off at the extreme left, and went so far in that direction that they re-emerged at the extreme Right. Zealots of that sort will always choose what to push and what to ignore.

This article is SO egregious in that sense, it's really ridiculous to give it any credence. Not because it criticises Starmer - I agree that he's changed position in policy stances. But because it EQUATES that with what Johnson does to the truth.

Read the opening paragraph, concluding with: "Apparently, his occasionally misleading statements, his spinning of statistics, amounted to a fully fledged ‘assault on truth’ itself."

See what he does? Entirely sidetracks the real issue with Johnson. The fact that he lies instinctively and pathologically about EVERYTHING! Instead the author sets up the false premise that what Johnson does is just a bit of spin - what every politician has always done. And implies that the criticisms of him are, consequently, politically motivated. That lays the ground for him to move onto "...and look how bad Starmer is, so why is no-one criticising him" territory.

I would say it's awful journalism, but Spiked has nothing to do with journalism. It's a propaganda rag that has no purpose but to twist minds, run by a gang of people who spent their earlier lives trying to destroy the UK state and failing because they were utterly irrelevant. But who have discovered that they can have a second go on the internet age, because there are always dupes who will agree with and spread their cack. Like BB.

What a load of Clap Trap, clearly someone is using a Starmer ‘Body Double’ to generate all of those incriminating Videos!

That bst response is just a deflection tactic sproty.  No one is disputing that Johnson is a liar but when BB provided conclusive evidence that Starmer can’t keep his word then bst feels the need to turn the attention away from it.

[Hounslowrover]

Surely changing your mind on policies and then telling people about your change of mind is not the same as lying.  We all change our minds, it’s not the same, no-one is accusing the Health Minister of lying about new hospitals, policy has changed from Johnson’s original statement.