Another Brexit benefit

[belton rover]

And they’ve all got crap passports.

[Glyn_Wigley]

Having just come back from a fortnight in Germany,I have to report that they are not happy, food prices through the roof, clothing prices, through the roof, petrol is £1.70 a litre in the sticks and £2.10 a litre on the Motorway , diesel 20p cheaper than Petrol. The  things which cheaper are beer, 90 p a 500 mil bottle in the supermarket but €5.60 in the Pub, hence 25% of Germanise pubs have shut down, and it’s very depressing to see so many lovely buildings going down the pan.I bought a bottle of Scotch (Ballantines) in the Super for €10.90. Looks like Covid killed the pubs, same as here but it’s common to see 3/4 Blokes stood in a town square drinking from a crate of 20 they bought in a shop. They take the empties back in the crate and get 8p refund. Everyone moaning about inflation.
Disappointed we left the EEC but I pointed out that they are not as disappointed as the French who have had to increase their pension age due to lack of our handouts!
I have been visiting Germany since I was a toddler and I have never seen it so run down. And that’s upsetting for me.

Funny how all the examples you go on about are due to the level of Excise Duties. Which each member state sets themselves, not the EU. Just like we did all the years we were in the EU.

[Sprotyrover]

Having just come back from a fortnight in Germany,I have to report that they are not happy, food prices through the roof, clothing prices, through the roof, petrol is £1.70 a litre in the sticks and £2.10 a litre on the Motorway , diesel 20p cheaper than Petrol. The  things which cheaper are beer, 90 p a 500 mil bottle in the supermarket but €5.60 in the Pub, hence 25% of Germanise pubs have shut down, and it’s very depressing to see so many lovely buildings going down the pan.I bought a bottle of Scotch (Ballantines) in the Super for €10.90. Looks like Covid killed the pubs, same as here but it’s common to see 3/4 Blokes stood in a town square drinking from a crate of 20 they bought in a shop. They take the empties back in the crate and get 8p refund. Everyone moaning about inflation.
Disappointed we left the EEC but I pointed out that they are not as disappointed as the French who have had to increase their pension age due to lack of our handouts!
I have been visiting Germany since I was a toddler and I have never seen it so run down. And that’s upsetting for me.

Funny how all the examples you go on about are due to the level of Excise Duties. Which each member state sets themselves, not the EU. Just like we did all the years we were in the EU.

Sorry Glynn what are you getting at

[Glyn_Wigley]

Unlike VAT, what a country decides to charge excise duty on, and at what rate, is down to them not the EU. Therefore the prices of Excise goods in each individual member state has nothing to do with being in or out of the EU, and thus nothing to do with Brexit.

[Sprotyrover]

Unlike VAT, what a country decides to charge excise duty on, and at what rate, is down to them not the EU. Therefore the prices of Excise goods in each individual member state has nothing to do with being in or out of the EU, and thus nothing to do with Brexit.

Very good Glynn I will leave your comment with you !

[Glyn_Wigley]

As it's true, I don't believe you have any other option.

[belton rover]

Surely the point is that some countries within the EU are suffering in very similar ways to Britain. Meaning being in the EU might not be the saviour that many like to think it is.

[Glyn_Wigley]

Surely the point is that some countries within the EU are suffering in very similar ways to Britain. Meaning being in the EU might not be the saviour that many like to think it is.

That might be so, but doing it by talking about stuff completely unrelated to being in the EU for countries both inside and outside the EU doesn't really make sense in a thread about what the difference is being inside or outside the EU! If anything, it underlines that it's a myth that the EU is an evil monolith that controls everything.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

Unlike VAT, what a country decides to charge excise duty on, and at what rate, is down to them not the EU. Therefore the prices of Excise goods in each individual member state has nothing to do with being in or out of the EU, and thus nothing to do with Brexit.

I don't think that's right, the EU directives still apply minimum duties aswell as minimum vat rates. Im sure Germany for things like alcohol only applies the very minimum, so it does have restrictions.

Of course the UK chooses to be way above these levels tax wise so it wouldn't impact us in most cases. Though we have now diverged on some things.

[Not Now Kato]

Why it would have been a good idea to have put the negotiated deal to the public rather than simply implementing what no one voted for....
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4aVzGAd7bI

[Ldr]

Why it would have been a good idea to have put the negotiated deal to the public rather than simply implementing what no one voted for....
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4aVzGAd7bI

Am still waiting for the public vote on the Maastricht treaty to move us from the eec to the eu…………….

[Sprotyrover]

Another observation I don’t smoke but. Noticed that everywhere we went folks weee puffing away on cigs so I went to the kiosk in a supermarket and I saw Camel lights for £8.00 for 20. Also 10 cigarillos for £3.20. There were capes on offer but not many folks using them.

[Not Now Kato]

Why it would have been a good idea to have put the negotiated deal to the public rather than simply implementing what no one voted for....
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4aVzGAd7bI

Am still waiting for the public vote on the Maastricht treaty to move us from the eec to the eu…………….

Meanwhile, have you come up with any tangible benefits yet?

[Sprotyrover]

Yes we are saving £ Billions by not having to prop up the French Government retirement funds!

[Glyn_Wigley]

Yes we are saving £ Billions by not having to prop up the French Government retirement funds!

Is this the same France who are a nett contributor to the EU, just as we were, or some other imaginary France you're talking about?

[Sprotyrover]

Yes we are saving £ Billions by not having to prop up the French Government retirement funds!

Is this the same France who are a nett contributor to the EU, just as we were, or some other imaginary France you're talking about?

It’s the France that has had to up the retirement age from 62 to 64 due to being short of funding from somewhere , as you well know!

[Ldr]

Why it would have been a good idea to have put the negotiated deal to the public rather than simply implementing what no one voted for....
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4aVzGAd7bI

Am still waiting for the public vote on the Maastricht treaty to move us from the eec to the eu…………….

Meanwhile, have you come up with any tangible benefits yet?

Yes as I have stated, we are no longer in the mix towards the creation of a European superstate which as you know was my reason for voting

[Not Now Kato]

Why it would have been a good idea to have put the negotiated deal to the public rather than simply implementing what no one voted for....
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4aVzGAd7bI

Am still waiting for the public vote on the Maastricht treaty to move us from the eec to the eu…………….

Meanwhile, have you come up with any tangible benefits yet?

Yes as I have stated, we are no longer in the mix towards the creation of a European superstate which as you know was my reason for voting

Yes, I understand your reason, (though I doubt it will ever happen), but that wasn't the question I asked.

[Glyn_Wigley]

Yes we are saving £ Billions by not having to prop up the French Government retirement funds!

Is this the same France who are a nett contributor to the EU, just as we were, or some other imaginary France you're talking about?

It’s the France that has had to up the retirement age from 62 to 64 due to being short of funding from somewhere , as you well know!

Which is a completely internal matter and not funded by the EU or any of it's remaining member states in any way. They can't possibly be when France is a nett contributor anyway.

Now, have ypu got a real Brexit Benefit or are you going to continue to flog this dead horse?

[Sprotyrover]

Yes Glynn they the French have had to up their contributions considerably since jumping off the back of the UK’s eU funding.which is why they couldn’t meet their Pension Commitments!

[Glyn_Wigley]

Yes Glynn they the French have had to up their contributions considerably since jumping off the back of the UK’s eU funding.which is why they couldn’t meet their Pension Commitments!

They pay a fixed percentage of their GDP, just like we did when a member. Their economy does well, their contributions go up, their economy does badly, their contributions go down. Nothing to do with Brexit.

But hey, keep whipping that corpse!

[Sprotyrover]

Yes Glynn they the French have had to up their contributions considerably since jumping off the back of the UK’s eU funding.which is why they couldn’t meet their Pension Commitments!

They pay a fixed percentage of their GDP, just like we did when a member. Their economy does well, their contributions go up, their economy does badly, their contributions go down. Nothing to do with Brexit.

But hey, keep whipping that corpse!

Their contributions have doubled since 2020 that’s some economic boom they’re having, they must be dodging repairing the 50% of their nuclear power stations which are un serviceable.eh?

[Glyn_Wigley]

Yes Glynn they the French have had to up their contributions considerably since jumping off the back of the UK’s eU funding.which is why they couldn’t meet their Pension Commitments!

They pay a fixed percentage of their GDP, just like we did when a member. Their economy does well, their contributions go up, their economy does badly, their contributions go down. Nothing to do with Brexit.

But hey, keep whipping that corpse!

Their contributions have doubled since 2020 that’s some economic boom they’re having, they must be dodging repairing the 50% of their nuclear power stations which are un serviceable.eh?

 I can only find contribution figures for 2021. Where are you finding figures for 2020 and 2022/3?

[Sprotyrover]

Does €12.5 billion in 2019 and €26billion in 2021 sound about right ?

[Glyn_Wigley]

No, because although the 2021 amount is the GROSS contribution figure, the 2019 amount is the NETT contribution figure.

And you want us to take you seriously?

[Sprotyrover]

No, because although the 2021 amount is the GROSS contribution figure, the 2019 amount is the NETT contribution figure.

And you want us to take you seriously?

https://www.euractiv.com/section/politics/short_news/frances-record-eu-budget-contribution/
That took me 5 minutes to find, not five hours!

[Glyn_Wigley]

No, because although the 2021 amount is the GROSS contribution figure, the 2019 amount is the NETT contribution figure.

And you want us to take you seriously?

https://www.euractiv.com/section/politics/short_news/frances-record-eu-budget-contribution/
That took me 5 minutes to find, not five hours!

That FORECASTS the 2021 figure for gross contribution, which as it happens I don't dispute.

However, no 2019 figure - the one I DO dispute - to be seen at all. You must remember where you got it from, let's see the link for that.

[Sprotyrover]

EU budget: Who pays most in and who gets most back? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48256318 This might be helpful

[Sprotyrover]

https://www.statista.com/chart/18794/net-contributors-to-eu-budget/ Another one Glynn

[BillyStubbsTears]

Sproty

The net UK contribution in the last few years before we Got Brexit Done (sic) was about £10-20 for each citizen of the EU.

Can you walk me through how losing  that has wrecked the French state pension?