Ashes 2023

[Dutch Uncle]

No-one is denying Bairstow was at fault and out according to all rules.

If that had been Warner batting I would have called for Stokes to retract the appeal, and maybe call it a warning. I would have been very embarrassed and probably stopped watching because if we were to win, the result in my mind would be tainted.

How do you stand on Mankad-ing without a warning?


The colossal irony here is that this all comes at a moment when both sides have embraced a full-on bodyline tactic, the one that caused such a rumpus in even political relations with Australia. The only difference now is helmets and a bit more padding, and a slight restriction on leg side fielders behind square.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Have a look on YouTube at the one day match between England and New Zealand and the incident between Sidebottom and Elliott, when Collingwood was captain if you want to see injustice on a cricket pitch.
 On my cricket club’s WhatsApp group the vast majority say that the fault is Bairstow’s

And Collingwood apologised soon afterwards and said he wished he'd rescinded the appeal. Which is why I blame Cummins. He could have been a leader and set an example.

[Donnywolf]

And as I said on Page 1 , I think , Broad not walking when clearly out in a Test we went on to win

Link is there as well

[drfchound]

And as I said on Page 1 , I think , Broad not walking when clearly out in a Test we went on to win

Link is there as well

I just had a look at that link wolfie, thanks for posting it.

I didn’t know about that incident.
I can’t recall anything written about it on here, but maybe I missed it.

[Donnywolf]

Not sure it got much coverage apart from in Australia

My point , cos I like to play fair is that there was Stuart Broad the other day asking Carey pointedly and after every ball "is that dead" and yet the same (brilliant bloke) Stuart Broad didn't walk in that Test Match when he was totally out. Every Aussie on the planet knew and probably every Englishman

However the Oz had no reviews left cos they ballsed up a few before then and lost them so they couldn't call for a review which let's face it would have been a formality

So I think what Carey and Cummings did was way past " the line" but Stuart Broad (English God) did something equally reprehensible so he / we can't really get too uppity.

It's deja Vu , or what goes around , comes around.

I'm still seething but I can't have it both ways

[drfchound]

Yeah, well we won that test so not as many English people would complain about it I suppose.
Perhaps that why it didn’t get a mention on here.
Like Broad said in his interview, he never even considered walking even though he knew he was out.

[ncRover]

Looks like it could be a rain hampered test from day 3 onwards. We’re going to have to go aggressive.

Strong batting line up with a long tail with Ali, Wood and Woakes coming in.

I think Jimmy’s time is finally up I’m afraid.

[danumdon]

Looks like it could be a rain hampered test from day 3 onwards. We’re going to have to go aggressive.

Strong batting line up with a long tail with Ali, Wood and Woakes coming in.

I think Jimmy’s time is finally up I’m afraid.

Anderson's performance in the second test was an odd one, he bowled well, managed to beat the bat plenty and gave nothing away runs wise but the wickets did not come for him, conditions should of been just about perfect for his type of swing and seam.

Not sure what type of pitch has taken shape in Leeds but atmospheric conditions there are always advantageous to Anderson's style of bowling, with the weather set to be changeable as well i've got a feeling that they may rue resting him for this one.

Id have said get your best bowler and fastest bowlers playing in this match, get the win and then worry about their fitness after the event, if we don't get the result then it's all academic after that.

Id have played Anderson in front of Robinson who is very hit and miss for me, not sure bringing Woakes in improves the side, Thought Tounge should have had another go in tandem with Wood, they may go for a few but te strike rate should compensate.

[ncRover]

What’s wrong with Bairstow?!

[Monkcaster_Rover]

He needs to make up for it with a century tomorrow.

[Donnywolf]

... and back to the cheaters or probably the not in the spirit of the game mob .... How can we ever forget this ?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underarm_bowling_incident_of_1981

[drfchound]

... and back to the cheaters or probably the not in the spirit of the game mob .... How can we ever forget this ?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underarm_bowling_incident_of_1981

Good post Wolfie.
What goes round eh.

[Filo]

The footage

https://youtu.be/TtaWtAxHVsw

[Branton Red]

The footage

https://youtu.be/TtaWtAxHVsw

They're not all the same. Listen to the great Richie Benaud's view at the end of that footage. "One of the worst thing I've ever seen done on a cricket pitch."

[drfchound]

Look on YouTube for Most Controversial Wickets.
Lots of decisions within the laws but some might say not the done thing.
The first one on there is England running out an Aussie who had collided with an England bowler when attempting a run.

[Donnywolf]

Funny incident once at HM Borstal Hatfield where we were having a 6 aside Comp

I was non striker and Batsman at other end took a ball right where it hurts most and (he swore almost every other word anyway) bellowed ooooh mi b*****k

I was amused that he said it in the singular, and it was heard around the Ground I'm sure

He went down like a sack of spuds and their Keeper walked to front of Stumps , picked up the Ball and knock off the Bails

Another reminder of unsporting behaviour

[Campsall rover]

At Headingley today for the 4th day.
Without that rain yesterday I would not be seeing much if any cricket today.
Come on England let’s get the job done and keep the Ashes alive.

[i_ateallthepies]

Given the propensity of our batsmen for gifting their wickets I certainly am not confident that we'll do it.  They cannot keep leaving it all to the captain to get us over the line.

[ncRover]

At Headingley today for the 4th day.
Without that rain yesterday I would not be seeing much if any cricket today.
Come on England let’s get the job done and keep the Ashes alive.

Enjoy. I was there for the 2nd day on Friday and it was a belter.

[Campsall rover]

Given the propensity of our batsmen for gifting their wickets I certainly am not confident that we'll do it.  They cannot keep leaving it all to the captain to get us over the line.

Well it looks as though he might have to do it again.
Crawley and Root gave their wickets away playing shots they should have left.
It’s going to be tense I reckon this afternoon.

[bigbadjack]

Great finish phew!

[Monkcaster_Rover]

Roll on Old Trafford. I've got tickets for day 5. Hope I'm celebrating 2-2 rather than walking back to the station with a face like a slapped arse.

[Campsall rover]

Yes that was tense.
When Brook went I feared the worse.
Woakes and Wood did brilliantly.

[NickDRFC]

Fantastic win and great that we’ve kept the series alive. Really hope that it doesn’t paper over the cracks though, and Bairstow is out for Foakes for the next test. I think I’d replace Robinson as well, Tongue the obvious choice but wouldn’t be too disappointed to see Jimmy get one last shot (although I think his race is pretty much run).

I’d probably also keep Mo at 3 - seems like no one else wants to bat there, he’s pretty much a walking wicket down the order anyway and if he sees off a few more overs it’s a bonus. I’ve no confidence in Lawrence, no idea if there’s anyone else capable and at least this way you get to keep Mo’s bowling in the side.

[drfchound]

I’ve been out all day, just got back and tuned in to the iPad.
Great win, watched some highlights and it looks as though it was a belter of a day.
For the second day in a row, well done England.

[danumdon]

Fantastic effort from the team today to win that match, if the new broom has done anything it has made our batting much more resilient, in te past we would of been blown away after Root departed, but they kept it going, Well done too for Woakes who i originally said didn't bring much to the side, he had a really good game and steadied the ship when he cam in with 80odd still to get. His wickets at opportune times also were very important.

Great that they take it all on to Old Trafford still in with a shout, i've got a feeling this win, coupled with the very close thing in the second test will galvanise the squad to kick on and sow doubt in the Aussies who always look to me to be inches from their brittle confidence, front about to be shattered .

All to play for, its been a fantastic Ashes so far, with the front on Stokes and McCallum we still have every chance.

[ncRover]

Foakes in yes or no?

[NickDRFC]

Foakes in yes or no?

Easy yes. Bairstow is a liability right now and his confidence has nosedived which is impacting his batting. Needs taking out of the firing line.

[danumdon]

Foakes should of been in the side from the off, wicket keeping is such a technical and specialised job that you should never take a chance with competent batsmen who keep wicket, big difference.

When you add up all the chances that JB has not taken and more importantly at the times they occurred its a massive game changer to have someone like Foakes who many top pundits rate as the best in the world right now.

If the new management broom had just tempered their plans to have the full on BAZBALL and ensured that this key position was covered then i'm sure we would be now in an Ashes leading position.

We have a developing front 5 front line batsmen, with Stokes at 6 and Foakes at 7 then the 4 frontline bowlers we should be capable of creating big enough scores to win matches.

I know its difficult to extrapolate how having a top class wicketkeeper can ensure you don't end up having to chase big scores because of the missed opportunities behind the wicket but i'm sure in this series these strengths would of been the game changer for us in the series so far.

[Filo]

I thought we made hard work of it, best part of two days to knock the runs off, Stokes and Root shouldn’t be chasing balls down the leg side in that position, they gifted their wickets and brought pressure on England, thankfully we got there in the end