Austerity

[BillyStubbsTears]

The very first thing that Michael Gove did when he became Education Secretary in 2010 was to slash the budget for repairs and new build of state school buildings.

He boasted in Parliament about how he was leading the way on Austerity.

Here's how it's going.

https://twitter.com/Samfr/status/1673975165296713730

By the way, the first Budget the Tories held that Parliament gave a tax cut which was worth £20k to anyone earning £500k per year. I'm guessing those people didn't send their kids to state schools.

[tyke1962]

The very first thing that Michael Gove did when he became Education Secretary in 2010 was to slash the budget for repairs and new build of state school buildings.

He boasted in Parliament about how he was leading the way on Austerity.

Here's how it's going.

https://twitter.com/Samfr/status/1673975165296713730

By the way, the first Budget the Tories held that Parliament gave a tax cut which was worth £20k to anyone earning £500k per year. I'm guessing those people didn't send their kids to state schools.

Just the Tories Billy ?

Anybody you've left out maybe ?

Possibly half of the story perhaps ?


https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/labour-were-architects-austerity-continue-12047478?utm_source=linkCopy&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar

[BillyStubbsTears]

The very first thing that Michael Gove did when he became Education Secretary in 2010 was to slash the budget for repairs and new build of state school buildings.

He boasted in Parliament about how he was leading the way on Austerity.

Here's how it's going.

https://twitter.com/Samfr/status/1673975165296713730

By the way, the first Budget the Tories held that Parliament gave a tax cut which was worth £20k to anyone earning £500k per year. I'm guessing those people didn't send their kids to state schools.

Just the Tories Billy ?

Anybody you've left out maybe ?

Possibly half of the story perhaps ?


https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/labour-were-architects-austerity-continue-12047478?utm_source=linkCopy&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar

Are you for real?

Posting an opinion piece by an SNP MP as a response to what I posted?

You used to make sensible contributions but you've lost it, these last couple of years.

[tyke1962]

The very first thing that Michael Gove did when he became Education Secretary in 2010 was to slash the budget for repairs and new build of state school buildings.

He boasted in Parliament about how he was leading the way on Austerity.

Here's how it's going.

https://twitter.com/Samfr/status/1673975165296713730

By the way, the first Budget the Tories held that Parliament gave a tax cut which was worth £20k to anyone earning £500k per year. I'm guessing those people didn't send their kids to state schools.

Just the Tories Billy ?

Anybody you've left out maybe ?

Possibly half of the story perhaps ?


https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/labour-were-architects-austerity-continue-12047478?utm_source=linkCopy&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar

Are you for real?

Posting an opinion piece by an SNP MP as a response to what I posted?

You used to make sensible contributions but you've lost it, these last couple of years.

I'm definitely for real Billy , so let's run through the Parliamentary evidence shall we .

In 2015 the Conservative government as part of their Austerity programme introduced the Welfare Reform And Work Bill .

As a consequence the Household Welfare Cap was reduced from £26k to £23k , legally  binding child poverty targets were abolished , there were cuts to child tax credits , cuts to employment and support allowance and a reduction in housing benefit for young people , very nasty , particularly for people and families on low incomes .

The thing is 184 Labour MP's abstained when it went to voting time in parliament .

Now you can always excuse around 20 abstention's , Lisa Nandy was heavily pregnant for instance and I'm sure a few more had other matters going on that prevented them voting but none the less 184 looks to me like they pretty much fell in line behind Tory Austerity .

Let's look at some of the names who abstained that evening in 2015 , it makes interesting reading .

Margaret Becket , Hilary Benn , Clive Betts , Andy Burnham , Yvette Cooper , Stella Creasey , Angela Eagle , Frank Field , Harriet Harman , Margaret Hodge , Kate Hoey , Lindsay Hoyle , Dan Jarvis , Alan Johnson , Liz Kendall , Stephen Kinnock , Ed Miliband , Jess Philips , Angela Raynor , Rachel Reeves , * Keir Starmer * , Wes Streeting , Emily Thornberry , Tom Watson .

A real rogues gallery don't you agree ? .

In fact three of the candidates who contested the 2015 Labour leadership all abstained , Yvette Cooper , Andy Burnham and Liz Kendall .

Jeremy Corbyn obviously voted against the bill but you could probably have worked that out yourself presumably Billy .

Indisputable facts and it's in the public record .

Do you agree that if you don't oppose something in parliament then you must agree with it ?

[BillyStubbsTears]

Yes Tyke. I criticised it at the time. That was an effectively leaderless Labour party, punchdrunk after the horrible defeat in 2015.

What the f**k has that got to do with what this thread is about?

In the election that year, the IFS had calculated that Labour's spending plans, mostly on capital investment (the topic of this thread) were £90bn more than the Tories'.

But you just cracked on doing what you do. You'd be happy with a Tory Govt forever if you can't have exactly what you want. It was a mistake. Everyone in the party knows it was a mistake. It was one moment in time.

[drfchound]

Someone offers a different point of view, nah, they must be wrong.

[Glyn_Wigley]

Do you agree that if you don't oppose something in parliament then you must agree with it ?

I'm abstaining from replying to that question. Presumably you'd argue that I'm agreeing with you.

Even though I'm not.

[tyke1962]

Do you agree that if you don't oppose something in parliament then you must agree with it ?

I'm abstaining from replying to that question. Presumably you'd argue that I'm agreeing with you.

Even though I'm not.

Exchanges on this forum are neither here nor there in the grand scheme of things given I'm referring to the opposition party in parliament abstaining on a vote that made millions of people financially worse off and placed children in to poverty , people they should be supporting and representing .

In that context they did agree with the Tory government , how could they possibly not have done ?

[Glyn_Wigley]

Do you agree that if you don't oppose something in parliament then you must agree with it ?

I'm abstaining from replying to that question. Presumably you'd argue that I'm agreeing with you.

Even though I'm not.

Exchanges on this forum are neither here nor there in the grand scheme of things given I'm referring to the opposition party in parliament abstaining on a vote that made millions of people financially worse off and placed children in to poverty , people they should be supporting and representing .

In that context they did agree with the Tory government , how could they possibly not have done ?

Abstaining meaning you agree with something is fascinating concept of yours. So all those who abstained in the Brexit Referendum...what did they agree with?

[Glyn_Wigley]

In that context they did agree with the Tory government , how could they possibly not have done ?

By voting for the amendment to that Bill that set out Labour's objections to it.

A vote you conveniently seem to have forgotten about. Perhaps you'd like to look up who for FOR that amendment, just so that everybody knows the WHOLE truth regarding what you're talking about.

[BillyStubbsTears]

The very first thing that Michael Gove did when he became Education Secretary in 2010 was to slash the budget for repairs and new build of state school buildings.

He boasted in Parliament about how he was leading the way on Austerity.

Here's how it's going.

https://twitter.com/Samfr/status/1673975165296713730

By the way, the first Budget the Tories held that Parliament gave a tax cut which was worth £20k to anyone earning £500k per year. I'm guessing those people didn't send their kids to state schools.

Chickens. Roost.

Get this bunch of t**ts out and don't let them back until they've had 20 years to reflect on the ways they've chosen to f**k this country.

[tyke1962]

The very first thing that Michael Gove did when he became Education Secretary in 2010 was to slash the budget for repairs and new build of state school buildings.

He boasted in Parliament about how he was leading the way on Austerity.

Here's how it's going.

https://twitter.com/Samfr/status/1673975165296713730

By the way, the first Budget the Tories held that Parliament gave a tax cut which was worth £20k to anyone earning £500k per year. I'm guessing those people didn't send their kids to state schools.

Chickens. Roost.

Get this bunch of t**ts out and don't let them back until they've had 20 years to reflect on the ways they've chosen to f**k this country.

Alternately we can welcome a Labour Government who will fuq the country just as much .

[Colemans Left Hook]

The very first thing that Michael Gove did when he became Education Secretary in 2010 was to slash the budget for repairs and new build of state school buildings.

He boasted in Parliament about how he was leading the way on Austerity.

Here's how it's going.

https://twitter.com/Samfr/status/1673975165296713730

By the way, the first Budget the Tories held that Parliament gave a tax cut which was worth £20k to anyone earning £500k per year. I'm guessing those people didn't send their kids to state schools.

obviously too much time on ones hands

stay focused on your life

[SydneyRover]

From the Guardian (hehe) part of an editorial, please detail anything that is incorrect.

''When they were elected in 2010, the Conservatives slashed the funding to New Labour’s Building Schools for the Future programme. Since then, the backlog of repairs has grown hugely, while ministers prioritised the creation of expensive new free schools over maintenance of existing infrastructure. Where schools have been rebuilt, funding has often depended on deals with residential property developers. This week, the consequences of this short sighted and ideological approach is laid bare. While teachers have demonstrated their commitment to pupils by accepting a below-inflation pay rise, ministers are once again revealed by this new crisis to have failed both. Britain has had five different education secretaries in just over a year. This pattern of disruption makes ministers’ repeated attacks on civil servants all the more ill-judged, and raises the question of who they think should provide stable leadership for the nation’s schools. Teachers, children, parents and employers all deserve better''

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/sep/01/the-guardian-view-on-dangerous-school-buildings-the-price-of-13-years-of-underinvestment

''Schools in England face a repair bill of more than £11bn, nearly double some previous estimates, according to a long-awaited national survey completed by the government.27 May 2021''

[BillyStubbsTears]

This is just weird.

https://youtu.be/fd94H1YUe-s?si=dUmMb86_0i3WSpXa

Education Secretary telling folk it's all OK and in hand over a shit dance music soundtrack.

Who exactly is running the country at the moment?

[BillyStubbsTears]

Sounds like Sunak has some tough questions to answer.

The Govt knew in 2018 that RAAC was a serious problem.

They were funding 100 major school rebuilds a year. In 2021, civil servants advised that should be increased to 3-400.

Sunak as Chancellor cut it to 50.

And here we are today. Absolute chaos.

[BillyStubbsTears]

This is just weird.

https://youtu.be/fd94H1YUe-s?si=dUmMb86_0i3WSpXa

Education Secretary telling folk it's all OK and in hand over a shit dance music soundtrack.

Who exactly is running the country at the moment?

Well I can see why she wanted to talk AT the camera and not be interviewed. She was interviewed on R4 this morning. Absolute word salad car crash stuff.

[ravenrover]

It is not the responsibilty of Govt to look after school buildings it is down to local authorities, she says
We took action as a Govt, we sent out questionnaires!!!!
Took a leaf out The Mets method of investigating then

[BillyStubbsTears]

As I said in the OP, the very first thingvthe Tories did when they came to power was to slash the DfE capital expenditure bill.

https://twitter.com/NJ_Davies/status/1698614857795313734/photo/1

At the same time, they slashed taxes for people rich enough to send their kids to private school.

They are class warriors. Who somehow manage to persuade people in the class they are fighting against to vote for them.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Such a massive lesson to learn here as a country. It should be bleeding obvious, but so many want to ignore it.

Cutting public investment doesn't make you a wealthier country. It makes you a poorer country. Because if you leave schools to crumble, slash public transport, don't invest in housing or broadband and try to justify that by saying you want to keep tax down, three things happen.

1) The public infrastructure and systems slowly degrade and become unfit for purpose.

2) So the country becomes a harsher, meaner, more unpleasant and less efficient place.

3) So we get poorer than we should. And we end up having to put up taxes to fill the gaps.

It is SO f**king obvious and so frustrating. After 14 years of proving this stupidity, the Tories need drumming out and putting in a box until they learn the lesson.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

We must just be lucky round here, a lot of the secondary schools at least have been fully or partially rebuilt in the last 10 years or so.  Drive round Doncaster, new schools all over the place.

[BillyStubbsTears]

You know when I have talked about this Government falling apart?

Sunak says this is nothing to do with him. Keegan wants praise for...well, who knows?

What about someone accepting the responsibility for yet another clusterf**k?

https://twitter.com/ITVNewsPolitics/status/1698674935424581991?s=20

[Sprotyrover]

I would like to see some Concrete ! Evidence Billy.

[belton rover]

I would like to see some Concrete ! Evidence Billy.

There isn’t any. It’s all crumbled away, apparently.

[Iberian Red]

This is just weird.

https://youtu.be/fd94H1YUe-s?si=dUmMb86_0i3WSpXa

Education Secretary telling folk it's all OK and in hand over a shit dance music soundtrack.

Who exactly is running the country at the moment?

It's not weird,it's disgraceful to think public money has been spent on that.

Looking forward to the 12 inch remix of the music tho.

Track one DoE Concrete Gove/Wharburton/Johnson Cokehead mix.
2 DoE Stewart Opium mix
3 DoE Raab chilled hash mix.

[Iberian Red]

You know when I have talked about this Government falling apart?

Sunak says this is nothing to do with him. Keegan wants praise for...well, who knows?

What about someone accepting the responsibility for yet another clusterf**k?

https://twitter.com/ITVNewsPolitics/status/1698674935424581991?s=20

What a stupid, self ingratiating woman.
That should be all over the national news.
It won't be tho.

[grayx]

The very first thing that Michael Gove did when he became Education Secretary in 2010 was to slash the budget for repairs and new build of state school buildings.

He boasted in Parliament about how he was leading the way on Austerity.

Here's how it's going.

https://twitter.com/Samfr/status/1673975165296713730

By the way, the first Budget the Tories held that Parliament gave a tax cut which was worth £20k to anyone earning £500k per year. I'm guessing those people didn't send their kids to state schools.

Chickens. Roost.

Get this bunch of t**ts out and don't let them back until they've had 20 years to reflect on the ways they've chosen to f**k this country.

Alternately we can welcome a Labour Government who will fuq the country just as much .

That will take some doing

[drfchound]

You know when I have talked about this Government falling apart?

Sunak says this is nothing to do with him. Keegan wants praise for...well, who knows?

What about someone accepting the responsibility for yet another clusterf**k?

https://twitter.com/ITVNewsPolitics/status/1698674935424581991?s=20

What a stupid, self ingratiating woman.
That should be all over the national news.
It won't be tho.

Oh yes it is.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Sunak is a lucky lad. The news today really should be about him cutting the budget for school rebuilds when he was Chancellor, then his weaselly "wasn't me! wasn't me!" interview this morning). Instead, he's found an entitled gobby Scouse human shield.

[Iberian Red]

You know when I have talked about this Government falling apart?

Sunak says this is nothing to do with him. Keegan wants praise for...well, who knows?

What about someone accepting the responsibility for yet another clusterf**k?

https://twitter.com/ITVNewsPolitics/status/1698674935424581991?s=20

What a stupid, self ingratiating woman.
That should be all over the national news.
It won't be tho.

Oh yes it is.

Ooohhh.
The pantomine villain has appeared.
I give you one of the ugly sisters!