Fy22 Accounts

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

I see they've now been filed.  A few extra little bits in there this year;

Player sales after the year end (22/23 season) of £221k - I'm assuming that's mostly Knoyle we haven't sold anyone else for a fee have we?  To get anything like £220k for the whole of the relegated team is an achievement.

Also that the club has restructured first team management costing £300k+.

If anyone wonders, despite everything said on budgets etc, in that year 2022 club still made a £1.1m loss (nearly £0.2m being depreciation charges).

[coventryrover]

And who picks that 1milloon loss up?

[Ho]

Player sales after the year end (22/23 season) of £221k - I'm assuming that's mostly Knoyle we haven't sold anyone else for a fee have we?  To get anything like £220k for the whole of the relegated team is an achievement.

Didn’t we sell the young centre back to Cardiff or Swansea in pre season?  Can’t remember his name!

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

Player sales after the year end (22/23 season) of £221k - I'm assuming that's mostly Knoyle we haven't sold anyone else for a fee have we?  To get anything like £220k for the whole of the relegated team is an achievement.

Didn’t we sell the young centre back to Cardiff or Swansea in pre season?  Can’t remember his name!

Good shout.

[German Rover]

There was the youth team players we were compensated for as well

[Chris Black come back]

Player sales after the year end (22/23 season) of £221k - I'm assuming that's mostly Knoyle we haven't sold anyone else for a fee have we?  To get anything like £220k for the whole of the relegated team is an achievement.

Didn’t we sell the young centre back to Cardiff or Swansea in pre season?  Can’t remember his name!

Ben Blythe to Swansea City.

[Chris Black come back]

I see they've now been filed.  A few extra little bits in there this year;

Player sales after the year end (22/23 season) of £221k - I'm assuming that's mostly Knoyle we haven't sold anyone else for a fee have we?  To get anything like £220k for the whole of the relegated team is an achievement.

Also that the club has restructured first team management costing £300k+.

If anyone wonders, despite everything said on budgets etc, in that year 2022 club still made a £1.1m loss (nearly £0.2m being depreciation charges).

Is this extracted from the accounts filed for Doncaster Rovers Limited on 30 June 2023?

[NickDRFC]

I see they've now been filed.  A few extra little bits in there this year;

Player sales after the year end (22/23 season) of £221k - I'm assuming that's mostly Knoyle we haven't sold anyone else for a fee have we?  To get anything like £220k for the whole of the relegated team is an achievement.

Also that the club has restructured first team management costing £300k+.

If anyone wonders, despite everything said on budgets etc, in that year 2022 club still made a £1.1m loss (nearly £0.2m being depreciation charges).

Surprised to see we posted a £1m+ loss - I’d thought that the Club Doncaster revenue now covered the losses. Maybe that was only true for the first time in the 22/23 season and will show in the next field accounts.

Presumably the £0.3m management pay offs relates to both McSheffrey & Schofield.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

I see they've now been filed.  A few extra little bits in there this year;

Player sales after the year end (22/23 season) of £221k - I'm assuming that's mostly Knoyle we haven't sold anyone else for a fee have we?  To get anything like £220k for the whole of the relegated team is an achievement.

Also that the club has restructured first team management costing £300k+.

If anyone wonders, despite everything said on budgets etc, in that year 2022 club still made a £1.1m loss (nearly £0.2m being depreciation charges).

Is this extracted from the accounts filed for Doncaster Rovers Limited on 30 June 2023?

Yes

[wilts rover]

Kieran Maguire's view - no noticeable debt but paying a lot of rent over future years

https://twitter.com/KieranMaguire/status/1674837468837990400

losses covered by share purchases

https://twitter.com/KieranMaguire/status/1674835718772871168

squad book value at end of year = £0

https://twitter.com/KieranMaguire/status/1674836441728274435

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

His comment on the lease is really quite poor and offers zero context.  There's 88 years left on the stadium lease, which is accounted for under ifrs16 and all that stuff.  Divide that amount by 88 and that annual rent payment is not particularly high at all, I'd call it a bargain.

[drfchound]

I see they've now been filed.  A few extra little bits in there this year;

Player sales after the year end (22/23 season) of £221k - I'm assuming that's mostly Knoyle we haven't sold anyone else for a fee have we?  To get anything like £220k for the whole of the relegated team is an achievement.

Also that the club has restructured first team management costing £300k+.

If anyone wonders, despite everything said on budgets etc, in that year 2022 club still made a £1.1m loss (nearly £0.2m being depreciation charges).

Surprised to see we posted a £1m+ loss - I’d thought that the Club Doncaster revenue now covered the losses. Maybe that was only true for the first time in the 22/23 season and will show in the next field accounts.

Presumably the £0.3m management pay offs relates to both McSheffrey & Schofield.

Nick, filed accounts, not field accounts. 

[NickDRFC]

I see they've now been filed.  A few extra little bits in there this year;

Player sales after the year end (22/23 season) of £221k - I'm assuming that's mostly Knoyle we haven't sold anyone else for a fee have we?  To get anything like £220k for the whole of the relegated team is an achievement.

Also that the club has restructured first team management costing £300k+.

If anyone wonders, despite everything said on budgets etc, in that year 2022 club still made a £1.1m loss (nearly £0.2m being depreciation charges).

Surprised to see we posted a £1m+ loss - I’d thought that the Club Doncaster revenue now covered the losses. Maybe that was only true for the first time in the 22/23 season and will show in the next field accounts.

Presumably the £0.3m management pay offs relates to both McSheffrey & Schofield.

Nick, filed accounts, not field accounts. 

How embarrassing. I will filed no more questions at this difficult time.

[drfchound]

I see they've now been filed.  A few extra little bits in there this year;

Player sales after the year end (22/23 season) of £221k - I'm assuming that's mostly Knoyle we haven't sold anyone else for a fee have we?  To get anything like £220k for the whole of the relegated team is an achievement.

Also that the club has restructured first team management costing £300k+.

If anyone wonders, despite everything said on budgets etc, in that year 2022 club still made a £1.1m loss (nearly £0.2m being depreciation charges).

Surprised to see we posted a £1m+ loss - I’d thought that the Club Doncaster revenue now covered the losses. Maybe that was only true for the first time in the 22/23 season and will show in the next field accounts.

Presumably the £0.3m management pay offs relates to both McSheffrey & Schofield.

Nick, filed accounts, not field accounts. 

How embarrassing. I will filed no more questions at this difficult time.

I was just returning the favour pal after you kindly corrected Belton and myself for getting the spelling of Hume wrong.
Don’t mention it.

[Chris Black come back]

I see they've now been filed.  A few extra little bits in there this year;

Player sales after the year end (22/23 season) of £221k - I'm assuming that's mostly Knoyle we haven't sold anyone else for a fee have we?  To get anything like £220k for the whole of the relegated team is an achievement.

Also that the club has restructured first team management costing £300k+.

If anyone wonders, despite everything said on budgets etc, in that year 2022 club still made a £1.1m loss (nearly £0.2m being depreciation charges).

Given the accounts cover the 12 months to 30 June 2022, the £220k post-closing might not actually include Blythe. Swansea City publicised on 28 June 2022 that Blythe had already signed, which perhaps means the fee has to be attributed to the pre-30 June 2022 period?

Otherwise the 220k must be Knoyle and the children who went to Leeds United and Manchester United, which the Free Press said was for “six figures” in both instances. It could be spread over multiple years perhaps, but if not, that would seem to explain the bulk of the 220k ie we only got 20k for Knoyle.

[DonnyOsmond]

I see they've now been filed.  A few extra little bits in there this year;

Player sales after the year end (22/23 season) of £221k - I'm assuming that's mostly Knoyle we haven't sold anyone else for a fee have we?  To get anything like £220k for the whole of the relegated team is an achievement.

Also that the club has restructured first team management costing £300k+.

If anyone wonders, despite everything said on budgets etc, in that year 2022 club still made a £1.1m loss (nearly £0.2m being depreciation charges).

Surprised to see we posted a £1m+ loss - I’d thought that the Club Doncaster revenue now covered the losses. Maybe that was only true for the first time in the 22/23 season and will show in the next field accounts.

Presumably the £0.3m management pay offs relates to both McSheffrey & Schofield.

Nick, filed accounts, not field accounts. 

How embarrassing. I will filed no more questions at this difficult time.

I was just returning the favour pal after you kindly corrected Belton and myself for getting the spelling of Hume wrong.
Don’t mention it.

Sounds like he really hurt you.

[Chris Black come back]

I see they've now been filed.  A few extra little bits in there this year;

Player sales after the year end (22/23 season) of £221k - I'm assuming that's mostly Knoyle we haven't sold anyone else for a fee have we?  To get anything like £220k for the whole of the relegated team is an achievement.

Also that the club has restructured first team management costing £300k+.

If anyone wonders, despite everything said on budgets etc, in that year 2022 club still made a £1.1m loss (nearly £0.2m being depreciation charges).

Any idea how long the cumulative loss of £33.6m goes back to? That’s a huge sum. Is that the total amount Ryan, Watson and Bramall have provided over the last 20 odd years?

[wilts rover]

I see they've now been filed.  A few extra little bits in there this year;

Player sales after the year end (22/23 season) of £221k - I'm assuming that's mostly Knoyle we haven't sold anyone else for a fee have we?  To get anything like £220k for the whole of the relegated team is an achievement.

Also that the club has restructured first team management costing £300k+.

If anyone wonders, despite everything said on budgets etc, in that year 2022 club still made a £1.1m loss (nearly £0.2m being depreciation charges).

Given the accounts cover the 12 months to 30 June 2022, the £220k post-closing might not actually include Blythe. Swansea City publicised on 28 June 2022 that Blythe had already signed, which perhaps means the fee has to be attributed to the pre-30 June 2022 period?

Otherwise the 220k must be Knoyle and the children who went to Leeds United and Manchester United, which the Free Press said was for “six figures” in both instances. It could be spread over multiple years perhaps, but if not, that would seem to explain the bulk of the 220k ie we only got 20k for Knoyle.

No. These are the accounts for season 2021-2022 - up to 30 June 2022 - so don't contain any transactions after that date.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

Wilts the comment is about post year end events so they actually are after the event.

[Chris Black come back]

Wilts the comment is about post year end events so they actually are after the event.

Yes, that’s correct. On the money, as it were.

[wilts rover]

Wilts the comment is about post year end events so they actually are after the event.

OK, my bad

[Pliskin]

Are we still getting paid in installments for Whiteman?

[drfchound]

I see they've now been filed.  A few extra little bits in there this year;

Player sales after the year end (22/23 season) of £221k - I'm assuming that's mostly Knoyle we haven't sold anyone else for a fee have we?  To get anything like £220k for the whole of the relegated team is an achievement.

Also that the club has restructured first team management costing £300k+.

If anyone wonders, despite everything said on budgets etc, in that year 2022 club still made a £1.1m loss (nearly £0.2m being depreciation charges).

Surprised to see we posted a £1m+ loss - I’d thought that the Club Doncaster revenue now covered the losses. Maybe that was only true for the first time in the 22/23 season and will show in the next field accounts.

Presumably the £0.3m management pay offs relates to both McSheffrey & Schofield.

Nick, filed accounts, not field accounts. 

How embarrassing. I will filed no more questions at this difficult time.

I was just returning the favour pal after you kindly corrected Belton and myself for getting the spelling of Hume wrong.
Don’t mention it.

Sounds like he really hurt you.

Not at all.
I just realised how keen he is to make sure all spelling is correct so felt the need to help him out.

[BillyStubbsTears]

I see they've now been filed.  A few extra little bits in there this year;

Player sales after the year end (22/23 season) of £221k - I'm assuming that's mostly Knoyle we haven't sold anyone else for a fee have we?  To get anything like £220k for the whole of the relegated team is an achievement.

Also that the club has restructured first team management costing £300k+.

If anyone wonders, despite everything said on budgets etc, in that year 2022 club still made a £1.1m loss (nearly £0.2m being depreciation charges).

Any idea how long the cumulative loss of £33.6m goes back to? That’s a huge sum. Is that the total amount Ryan, Watson and Bramall have provided over the last 20 odd years?

Sounds about right. Average of £1-2m per year to subsidise our fun.