Andrew Malkinson

[DRFC_DonnyRed50]

So sadly this topic was about an innocent man being treated badly for something he didn't do, yet on the flip side if you're Mason Greenwood who was found guilty of NOTHING, in fact it's not even not guilty as there wasn't even a trial, then you still get trial by feminazis and told you must quit your job. What a wonderful world we live in

I'm not a feminazi, I just don't like the idea of a domestic abuser being able to continue his incredibly privileged career and lifestyle without any sort of punishment. We've all heard the recording and seen the pictures - he's guilty as sin. The whole thing stinks - if he still wants to play football he should go abroad.

[turnbull for england]

He's guilty of lots of things, just not in court. Take football out of it  He's a public face of worldwide brand , and that brand has to decide how it wants to be seen in a world to audience that hopefully on Sunday will have a world cup in it's locker

[DRFC_AjA]

So sadly this topic was about an innocent man being treated badly for something he didn't do, yet on the flip side if you're Mason Greenwood who was found guilty of NOTHING, in fact it's not even not guilty as there wasn't even a trial, then you still get trial by feminazis and told you must quit your job. What a wonderful world we live in

I'm not a feminazi, I just don't like the idea of a domestic abuser being able to continue his incredibly privileged career and lifestyle without any sort of punishment. We've all heard the recording and seen the pictures - he's guilty as sin. The whole thing stinks - if he still wants to play football he should go abroad.

You sound just like Greater Manchester's boys in blue 18 years ago  he's a wrong he dun it we got no evidence but who cares

[DRFC_DonnyRed50]

So sadly this topic was about an innocent man being treated badly for something he didn't do, yet on the flip side if you're Mason Greenwood who was found guilty of NOTHING, in fact it's not even not guilty as there wasn't even a trial, then you still get trial by feminazis and told you must quit your job. What a wonderful world we live in

I'm not a feminazi, I just don't like the idea of a domestic abuser being able to continue his incredibly privileged career and lifestyle without any sort of punishment. We've all heard the recording and seen the pictures - he's guilty as sin. The whole thing stinks - if he still wants to play football he should go abroad.

You sound just like Greater Manchester's boys in blue 18 years ago  he's a wrong he dun it we got no evidence but who cares

No evidence?

[glosterred]

So sadly this topic was about an innocent man being treated badly for something he didn't do, yet on the flip side if you're Mason Greenwood who was found guilty of NOTHING, in fact it's not even not guilty as there wasn't even a trial, then you still get trial by feminazis and told you must quit your job. What a wonderful world we live in

I'm not a feminazi, I just don't like the idea of a domestic abuser being able to continue his incredibly privileged career and lifestyle without any sort of punishment. We've all heard the recording and seen the pictures - he's guilty as sin. The whole thing stinks - if he still wants to play football he should go abroad.

You sound just like Greater Manchester's boys in blue 18 years ago  he's a wrong he dun it we got no evidence but who cares

No evidence?

Yep no evidence, the evidence was withdrawn or something like that, but to quote the song

We know what you are
we know what you are
Mason Greenwood
We know what you are

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

So sadly this topic was about an innocent man being treated badly for something he didn't do, yet on the flip side if you're Mason Greenwood who was found guilty of NOTHING, in fact it's not even not guilty as there wasn't even a trial, then you still get trial by feminazis and told you must quit your job. What a wonderful world we live in

When you're in the public eye rightly or wrongly morals matter as well as laws.  Would you want him playing for Rovers?  He'd be better off moving overseas I think.

The Malkinson story is really bad, no person should suffer what he's had to go through.

[albie]

No comparison between the Malkinson case and Mason Greenwood.

Malkinson was known to be an unsafe conviction from 2007, but inertia from those responsible left him rotting in jail because they simply couldn't be arsed to do their job.

Video explainer of the timelines here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fgEJLkzonw

There needs to be a public inquiry into how those involved failed to help this man get justice.

[BillyStubbsTears]

I wondered how long it would be before you brought Starmer into this one Albie. You haven't disappointed. 

EDIT:

I've just sat through most of that video. You, man, are a disgrace. You should truly be ashamed at yourself. You've hijacked a thread about an appalling miscarriage of justice to post a video of a man ranting with no purpose but to throw shit at someone who you dislike politically.

[glosterred]

I wondered how long it would be before you brought Starmer into this one Albie. You haven't disappointed. 

EDIT:

I've just sat through most of that video. You, man, are a disgrace. You should truly be ashamed at yourself. You've hijacked a thread about an appalling miscarriage of justice to post a video of a man ranting with no purpose but to throw shit at someone who you dislike politically.

I might be wrong, but isn’t that what you do whenever Boris Johnson’s name is mentioned on a thread. If I’m wrong I apologise, am I?

[albie]

BST,

The role of the CPS and Greater Manchester Police, in failing to review the Malkinson case, is central to the miscarriage of justice here.

Starmer was in charge of the CPS from July 2008 to 2013. During that period, the chance to revisit the case in the light of the DNA evidence was missed.

Starmer as head of the service is responsible for that failure of the service, so it is important he be held to account.
Likewise Ken MacDonald who preceded him, and Alison Saunders who followed.

If you don't like the video, essentially the same point is made by Fraser Nelson in the Telegraph;
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/08/17/why-isnt-keir-starmer-leading-charge-miscarriage-of-justice/

The actions of the public bodies in failing to re-assess the Malkinson conviction amount to culpaple professional negligence.
You must surely agree that a judicial Public Inquiry is required at the very least.
The findings of a judge led inquiry would give Malkinson a chance to seek redress.

The idea that Starmer should not face scrutiny over the role of his organisation is just barking mad!

[drfchound]

I have been thinking the same thing albie but have been reluctant to post about it because I think bst has been waiting for someone to come along and do that.
It is what he does.
His defender will be along soon.

[SydneyRover]

This is a much more accurate timeline, please feel free to detail any part that is incorrect.

''Greater Manchester police failings denied man fair trial, court told''

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/jul/26/andrew-malkinson-greater-manchester-police-failings-denied-man-fair-trial-court-told

Unless police numbers were falling way back in 2003 then you would think that senior experienced officers had more than a little input into this case.

in one's own time ............

[Sprotyrover]

This is a much more accurate timeline, please feel free to detail any part that is incorrect.

''Greater Manchester police failings denied man fair trial, court told''

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/jul/26/andrew-malkinson-greater-manchester-police-failings-denied-man-fair-trial-court-told

Unless police numbers were falling way back in 2003 then you would think that senior experienced officers had more than a little input into this case.

in one's own time ............

Having read the Article I am struggling to see the issue re SEWARD, the press were making out he had given evidence to be rewarded with leniency in relation to matters he had been arrested for, in reality he was dealt with in the normal fashion for minor motoring offences and received a sentence which is typical of what High crime causing drug users get metered out in our Woke Court system, 9 points on his licence and a ‘substantial’ fine of £145 which was probably as a result of him being long term unemployed, and already in possession of an unpaid fines account running into a couple of £thousand with the fines and fees department, he will also have told the Court he didn’t have the means to pay his fine and the Bench will have made an order which would require the DWP to deduct £5 a month from his Benefits payments, I will guess he carried on offending regardless and will have eventually possible 6 visits to the magistrates Court later have had the ‘Book’ thrown at him, he will have got a massive 12 week prison sentence, he will have made sure it was around Christmas and had a nice warm 6 week sabbatical to re charge his ‘Batteries’ before being released back into society with little or no supervision, he will then immediately commenced re offending! He is a typical product of Keir Starmers woke tenure in office as Head of CPS!

[Sprotyrover]

As an add on I would guess his oh so serious drug possession offence would be possession of 8 wraps of Herion! A serious matter for the Police and a statement to the Bench, that he had the Heroin for personal use would have resulted in the case being dropped….anything to make a good story eh?

[SydneyRover]

Wouldn't have any spare proof to go with that little story sprot?

''Edward Henry KC, representing Malkinson, said the “original trial resulted in an unsafe conviction because of deplorable disclosure failures which must lie at the door of Greater Manchester police”.

Henry said the “historic injustices” outlined in the case raised “wider implications for the criminal justice system”.

GMP also failed to disclose a photograph that supported the victim’s memory of causing such a “deep scratch” to her attacker’s cheek that she broke a nail. Malkinson was seen by police the next day with no marks on his face and at his trial the judge invited the jury to consider that the victim might have been mistaken in her memory about the scratch.

But it now emerges that the court was not given photographs taken on the night of the attack which showed a nail on her left hand was significantly shorter than the others.

The disclosure failures were only identified 15 years after Malkinson’s conviction, when his case was taken on by the legal charity Appeal''

Fit up and cover up by GMP? which is more likely? you be the judge.

[Sprotyrover]

Wouldn't have any spare proof to go with that little story sprot?

''Edward Henry KC, representing Malkinson, said the “original trial resulted in an unsafe conviction because of deplorable disclosure failures which must lie at the door of Greater Manchester police”.

Henry said the “historic injustices” outlined in the case raised “wider implications for the criminal justice system”.

GMP also failed to disclose a photograph that supported the victim’s memory of causing such a “deep scratch” to her attacker’s cheek that she broke a nail. Malkinson was seen by police the next day with no marks on his face and at his trial the judge invited the jury to consider that the victim might have been mistaken in her memory about the scratch.

But it now emerges that the court was not given photographs taken on the night of the attack which showed a nail on her left hand was significantly shorter than the others.

The disclosure failures were only identified 15 years after Malkinson’s conviction, when his case was taken on by the legal charity Appeal''

Fit up and cover up by GMP? which is more likely? you be the judge.

Actually a £145 fine for minor motoring offences was quite substantial 18 years ago! He would have got that fine last week at Sheffield or Donny!
Shoplifting is theft and is imprisonable and is what you might call a real Criminal offence, but the likes of Seward would get a £25 fine.
As for the Drug offences they seem to have been dealt with by means of simple Cautions, so the Police have a Tarif chart they have to adhere to when considering a charge to court, clearly these drug offences were matters that would be dealt with by means of a caution, if you can show me some evidence to the contrary I will reconsider!

[SydneyRover]

You'd make Hans Christian Andersen blush with your little tales of fantasy, which if any of it made sense at all it begs the question as to why did the GMP not disclose all the facts when asked to do so, why was the victims clothing destroyed against an order not to do so? why didn't they do their f**king job?

[albie]

Welcome back, Syd.

Your Guardian link accurately sets out the role of Greater Manchester Police, but it does not address the timelines for a review of the unsafe conviction.
That review would have been under the responsibility of the CPS, once the new DNA evidence came into play.

The police have serious questions to answer in relation to the original trial, as the lawyer for Malkinson points out.
But that does not deal with the failure of the CPS to instigate a review on the basis of the known DNA evidence from 2007 onwards.

So both elements need to be considered, in order to find the weaknesses in the system that allowed a miscarriage of justice to persist.
As I said, only a judicial public inquiry with the breadth to investigate all aspects would have the powers to get to the bottom of the failings.

[SydneyRover]

Albie you are getting confused about the order of things and how crimes are prevented, detected and solved it's quite a simple process really.

If the GMP did their jobs especially this one without fear or favour Malkinson would not have been charged, the rest is afterthought.

[albie]

Syd,

Rest easy, I am not confused at all!

We are talking about a miscarriage of justice.
You are right that it certainly should not have happened, but it did.

Once an event like this has occured, the system needs to have procedures in place to revisit the unsafe conviction.
That is the role of the CPS, to correct clear errors in the event that new evidence comes forward.

The original trial reached an incorrect conclusion, yet the known evidence from 2007 was not acted upon.
That is a serious failure which has to be explained.

This might be the fault of individual case officers, or the way information is reviewed, or the internal mechanisms not converging within the relevant department.

It is for this reason that a full judicial inquiry is required.
Hopefully it would have the ability to recommend systemic changes to prevent another Malkinson occurence, and give Malkinson the evidence he would need to right the wrongs he has suffered.

[Sprotyrover]

Albie you are getting confused about the order of things and how crimes are prevented, detected and solved it's quite a simple process really.

If the GMP did their jobs especially this one without fear or favour Malkinson would not have been charged, the rest is afterthought.

Here you go Sydders read the Judges judgement  of the Appeal, no allegations of Police corruption just as I said before this happened in 2003, the DNA science which proved Malkinsons ultimate innocence did not exist back the, plus the fact that Seward had been convicted of a Shoplifting offence in 1994 didn’t need to be disclosed,, also he got 2 cautions for possession of Amphet and heroin, wow, then crawl back into your skip and mind your own Aussie business!
https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/Malkinson-v-the-King-070823-judgment2.pdf

[BillyStubbsTears]

Albie

That's the Fraser Nelson who, two weeks ago was telling us that Global Warming was good because the cold kills more people than heat.

He's gone full on far-right head banging batshit. Are you REALLY going to cite him in your Starmer obsession?

[SydneyRover]

Albie you are getting confused about the order of things and how crimes are prevented, detected and solved it's quite a simple process really.

If the GMP did their jobs especially this one without fear or favour Malkinson would not have been charged, the rest is afterthought.

Here you go Sydders read the Judges judgement  of the Appeal, no allegations of Police corruption just as I said before this happened in 2003, the DNA science which proved Malkinsons ultimate innocence did not exist back the, plus the fact that Seward had been convicted of a Shoplifting offence in 1994 didn’t need to be disclosed,, also he got 2 cautions for possession of Amphet and heroin, wow, then crawl back into your skip and mind your own Aussie business!
https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/Malkinson-v-the-King-070823-judgment2.pdf

When you wrote ''having read the article'' I thought you meant all the big words as well sprot.

Explain to me as I asked previously why the criminal records of the witnesses were not supplied to the defence when full disclosure was requested and also give me you best shot why the victims clothes were destroyed when there was an order that the material evidence should be retained.

[SydneyRover]

Here's another article you can avoid reading sprot .............

''Police and CPS had key DNA evidence 16 years before Andrew Malkinson cleared of rape
Exclusive: No action taken despite 2007 discovery of searchable male DNA profile on rape victim’s top that did not match Malkinson’s''

''Police and prosecutors in the Andrew Malkinson case knew there was another man’s DNA on the victim’s clothes in 2007 – three years after he was wrongly convicted of rape – but he remained in prison for another 13 years''

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/aug/15/police-and-cps-had-key-dna-evidence-16-years-before-andrew-malkinson-cleared-of-rape

[scawsby steve]

Welcome back, Syd. We've all missed you.

Let the fun and games begin.

[drfchound]

Welcome back, Syd. We've all missed you.

Let the fun and games begin.

Where is that tongue in cheek emoji.

[Sprotyrover]

Here's another article you can avoid reading sprot .............

''Police and CPS had key DNA evidence 16 years before Andrew Malkinson cleared of rape
Exclusive: No action taken despite 2007 discovery of searchable male DNA profile on rape victim’s top that did not match Malkinson’s''

''Police and prosecutors in the Andrew Malkinson case knew there was another man’s DNA on the victim’s clothes in 2007 – three years after he was wrongly convicted of rape – but he remained in prison for another 13 years''

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/aug/15/police-and-cps-had-key-dna-evidence-16-years-before-andrew-malkinson-cleared-of-rape

I thought you said the Police had, purposely destroyed the Victims clothes….

[Sprotyrover]

Here's another article you can avoid reading sprot .............

''Police and CPS had key DNA evidence 16 years before Andrew Malkinson cleared of rape
Exclusive: No action taken despite 2007 discovery of searchable male DNA profile on rape victim’s top that did not match Malkinson’s''

''Police and prosecutors in the Andrew Malkinson case knew there was another man’s DNA on the victim’s clothes in 2007 – three years after he was wrongly convicted of rape – but he remained in prison for another 13 years''

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/aug/15/police-and-cps-had-key-dna-evidence-16-years-before-andrew-malkinson-cleared-of-rape

The CPS is supposed to write to the CCRC at the earliest opportunity about any case in which there is doubt about the safety of the conviction.

An internal log of Malkinson’s first application to the CCRC in 2009, in an attempt to appeal against his conviction, shows the body raised the cost of further testing and argued it would be unlikely to overturn the conviction.

It took three years to reject his application, and did not request the full police file or conduct new forensic tests
How was the GMP responsible for this miscarriage ?
You need to do some reading Sydders, preferably when you are sober!

[SydneyRover]

Here's another article you can avoid reading sprot .............

''Police and CPS had key DNA evidence 16 years before Andrew Malkinson cleared of rape
Exclusive: No action taken despite 2007 discovery of searchable male DNA profile on rape victim’s top that did not match Malkinson’s''

''Police and prosecutors in the Andrew Malkinson case knew there was another man’s DNA on the victim’s clothes in 2007 – three years after he was wrongly convicted of rape – but he remained in prison for another 13 years''

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/aug/15/police-and-cps-had-key-dna-evidence-16-years-before-andrew-malkinson-cleared-of-rape

I thought you said the Police had, purposely destroyed the Victims clothes….

from the first article you didn't read ............

''The DNA breakthrough in the case was also nearly rendered impossible because of the destruction of key exhibits by GMP.

The victim’s vest top, bra, knickers and other clothing were destroyed by GMP, while a preservation order was still in place. Retesting was only possible because small samples from her clothes were found in a national archive by Malkinson’s representatives at appeal''

[Bentley Bullet]

Welcome back, Syd. We've all missed you.

Let the fun and games begin.

Where is that tongue in cheek emoji.

This off-topic forum has once again got lower in status and quality than its fourth-division football team.