Legionella on prison barge

[tyke1962]

So, meanwhile, while we're making the country a better place, we do nothing about the asylum seekers being misled by traffickers into believing our country is not dead in the water due to Brexit, and is not led by an incompetent, racist government that only cares about the rich, and hasn't got a famine problem going on of its own?

I thought the main crux from certain sections was we do way too much for asylum seekers .

I hadn't realised that it was  compassion all along  from said certain sections and played out as the UK is a terrible place and your better off where you are and trying to save the asylum seekers from themselves .

[ravenrover]

BB

There are many reasons why asylum seekers would specifically want to come to the UK as opposed to other countries.

Maybe they speak English and not French.

Maybe they have relatives here.

Maybe there's a community here that they could lean on for support.

Why do you always have to polarise every single exchange of views?

Billy you've been lured, it's not gonna end up good either way. Argument and counter, insult followed by insult. 5 pages later you and BB wil still be "discussing" it.
My guess is BB isn't going to Newport tomorrow is bored and mischievous

[Bentley Bullet]

RR, as usual, I didn't start the insults with Billy.

This debate looks to have faded out anyway, so no need to worry about 5 pages of it, even though my argument hasn't been countered yet.

[tyke1962]

RR, as usual, I didn't start the insults with Billy.

This debate looks to have faded out anyway, so no need to worry about 5 pages of it, even though my argument hasn't been countered yet.

BB , I'm someone who believes in having strong borders and an immigration system that works for the benefit of the whole country .

This issue could be sorted by the government , it really isn't that difficult but they choose not to because it deflects away from the shyte show they've created as a government for 13 years .

This is how much they are prepared to go to keep this thing in the news .

The barge houses 500 people and costs the UK taxpayer £18m per year to run .

You could put the asylum seekers on a Disney Cruise ship for 12 months and it would cost £3m less .

[Bentley Bullet]

Tyke. I also believe in strong borders and an immigration system that works for the benefit of the whole country but mention such a system as the Australians have, and you're a raving racist.

 The Government says more than £6m a day is being spent on hotels for migrants. The barge houses more than 500 people and has been refurbished since the Dutch government used it for asylum seekers. It now has en suite rooms, a TV and games room and a gym.

The food, healthcare and security costs of running the vessel, add up to an estimated £20,000 a day.

[tyke1962]

Tyke. I also believe in strong borders and an immigration system that works for the benefit of the whole country but mention such a system as the Australians have, and you're a raving racist.

 The Government says more than £6m a day is being spent on hotels for migrants. The barge houses more than 500 people and has been refurbished since the Dutch government used it for asylum seekers. It now has en suite rooms, a TV and games room and a gym.

The food, healthcare and security costs of running the vessel, add up to an estimated £20,000 a day.

Whilst we were in the EU or the Single Market we couldn't have a points based Australian style immigration policy .

There's nothing to stop that happening now of course but here's the thing .

Nobody has far as I can tell unless someone can point me towards it has done any kind of study that's in the public domain what so ever in to the economic affect of having such a system in place .

You'd imagine such a study would be a good idea but it hasn't happened .

Or it has happened and the government dare not reveal its content .

[Bentley Bullet]

Boris Johnson wanted a points-based Australian-style immigration policy. So did Nigel Farage. The problem is in this country, you are accused of racism if you pursue such ideas.

[DRFC_AjA]

Wouldn't it be fantastic if we were having a debate centred about everyone here being pro using hotels to house our homeless, spending £6m a day or whatever the latest figure is to upgrade our disgusting social housing where people are literally dying from mould exposure.

But no, let's keep up the charade that these young able bodied males are in need and have more of a need than our own poverty stricken citizens. And you iz a racist if you say overwize. Lefty bingo, we've had "racist" so far whose saying "bigot" or "fascist" so I can get my full house

[tyke1962]

Boris Johnson wanted a points-based Australian-style immigration policy. So did Nigel Farage. The problem is in this country, you are accused of racism if you pursue such ideas.

Well what they wanted and what plays out as reality are often two different things .

Immigration and the affect to the economy is  a huge complex thing to measure .

You'll often see or hear about the economic benefits but most of those statements aren't real root and branch studies .

You'll hear things such as a two and half billion contribution to the economy pa , that's the figure produced with tax collected and benefit paid out which is perfectly true .

Yet £7.6bn goes in to the economy from the Premier League alone so it's not that great a figure .

Nobody really knows the longer term impact either , an increasing population , more people living longer and it's affect on pensions and benefits for instance .

Nobody knows because it's practically impossible to draw up any kind of credible feasibility study because there are so many complexities .

The truth is they are winging it and don't actually know whether over the longer term it's beneficial or not to the economy .

It may explain why they focus on cultural issues rather than economics in some sections , it's good for the country and so forth .

[DonnyOsmond]

Boris Johnson wanted a points-based Australian-style immigration policy. So did Nigel Farage. The problem is in this country, you are accused of racism if you pursue such ideas.

That has nothing to do with asylum seekers though, Australia has asylum seekers who don't meet the criteria as it's a human right.

What would your motivation be for stopping the boats;
people just not coming here,
stopping people from travelling over treacherous waters where they could die, one has died today for instance,
or stop traffickers profiteering over moving people over the Channel?

The current problem we have is you have to get to the UK to claim asylum here. The latter two issues could be solved with a processing center in France, which they've previously offered to have. Any economic migrants such those from Albania can be declined without even stepping foot here. 90% of those crossing claim asylum here, so the remaining, who would be illegal immigrants, would have reduced opportunities to cross.

[Bentley Bullet]

Australia has a policy of mandatory detention and offshore processing for all asylum seekers who arrive without a valid visa and is specifically targeted at those who manage to reach Australian territorial waters by boat.

[DonnyOsmond]

Australia has a policy of mandatory detention and offshore processing for all asylum seekers who arrive without a valid visa and is specifically targeted at those who manage to reach Australian territorial waters by boat.

You're not wrong, but how about we don't encourage crossing the Channel, so people don't needlessly die?

[Bentley Bullet]

I agree. Putting them up in hotels free gratis is far too encouraging. We need to tighten up. Sometimes people can't access asylum systems in other countries as easily as they can here.

[BillyStubbsTears]

BB

You've brought Australia into the discussion and appear to be confusing the issues of immigration and asylum.

The issue of people arriving here on boats is almost entirely about asylum claims. The overwhelming majority of the people who come on boats and are picked up claim asylum. The overwhelming majority of those claims, when they are finally processed, are granted.

Do you want to compare Australia's approach to asylum claims with ours?

[Bentley Bullet]

BST, you have an embedded habit of asking questions rather than answering them as a way of moving on the conversation while saving face. 

Now, why would asylum seekers want to pass through other, surely more compassionate countries, risking their lives travelling 50-odd miles on dinghies in extremely dangerous waters, in order to go to a country with a famine problem, and absolutely no future due to Brexit, and led by such an incompetent, racist government that only cares about the rich?

[BillyStubbsTears]

I answered you BB. Your question doesn't mean anything because it addresses an issue that only exists inside your head. Like so many of the things you post on here.

[Bentley Bullet]

No, you didn't lad. The only correct answer you could have given was to admit that, on the contrary, the UK is a very compassionate country that asylum seekers deem well worth the risk of travelling 50-odd miles on dinghies in extremely dangerous waters in order to reach because it has a government that simply does not only care about the rich.

.....As much as you would avoid saying it.