Wolves

[scawsby steve]

One of the fastest attacking teams I've seen for a long time. If they had a finisher, they'd have scored 4 or 5 tonight.

Totally unlucky.

[EasyforDennis]

Some things never change at Old Trafford. Another nail in the coffin of VAR.
Why didn't Michael Salisbury ask the referee to look at the blatant penalty when the Utd keeper flattened 2 Wolves players.

[mushRTID]

An absolute disgrace. What is the point of VAR. a shocking decision. A genuine robbery.

[Pliskin]

Wolves did alright considering they were playing against 12 men.

[KingKendrick]

Bizarre decision. If that was at the other end 100% it would have been given. Apparently its allowed for the keeper to poleaxe the defender without it being a foul

[foxbat]

wasn’t  a penalty,  but Wolves a bit unlucky not to score with their chances. would have missed a penalty anyway

[Avsuptem]

Bizarre decision. If that was at the other end 100% it would have been given. Apparently its allowed for the keeper to poleaxe the defender without it being a foul

Anywhere else on the pitch and that is a foul + yellow card. There needs to be an explanation as to why it was not given. VAR has lost all credibility.

[Padge_DRFC]

Jon Moss and Howard Webb have both apologised to the Wolves manager already.

[Donnywolf]

Good that will be of great comfort to Wolves a team already favourites to go down  , so did they send 1.5 points too

Haven't seen this yet but I am already not a VAR fan. It was supposed to cut out blatant mistakes but while it can on Offsides for instance when it comes to Fouls etc it has become just another "matter of opinion" .

As we know Referees collectively do not have consistency , and individually they might in the same game give a Yellow Card for a pull back against one Team and 5 minutes later not give the opposition a Yellow Card for exactly the same offence so with Ref on pitch giving a decision , then getting it referred to VAR or VAR looking "at something" an extra level of opinion comes in to it ( in the top leagues of course)

[mushRTID]

wasn’t  a penalty,  but Wolves a bit unlucky not to score with their chances. would have missed a penalty anyway

Wasn’t a penalty? Incredible!

[Donnywolf]

Having seen it , and having Jon Moss saying it was a "stonewall penalty" I reckon a Penalty

Most surprising / disappointing thing for me was the Ref. He has to decide surely that a Player is down with a head injury and stop play. But he didnt and that indecision might one day rebound on him

He might have thought the Wolves players was faking it , but is he , the Ref God ? He should not have hesitated - stop play and help players stay safe

[Avsuptem]

Having seen it , and having Jon Moss saying it was a "stonewall penalty" I reckon a Penalty

Most surprising / disappointing thing for me was the Ref. He has to decide surely that a Player is down with a head injury and stop play. But he didnt and that indecision might one day rebound on him

He might have thought the Wolves players was faking it , but is he , the Ref God ? He should not have hesitated - stop play and help players stay safe

I agree with you but I can't help noticing that a lot more players are holding their heads when they go to ground now, there was never so many apparent head injuries before the new rule.

[roverstillidie91]

What is it with this not being 'clear and obvious'

If it's a foul, it's a foul at the end of the day.

Clear favouritism for the bigger teams. No surprise with Man Utd.

For the record, last night's incident should have been a red card for the GK and a penalty to Wolves.

[selby]

  It is not the technology it is the interpretation of the people monitoring it, and they as we all know favour the big clubs the same as when they refereed the games.
    The easy way out of it would be to give the Manchester United's and Liverpool's of this world a six point start at the beginning of the season so their supporters in the refereeing fraternity would not have to be controversial and cheat, those teams get enough help off the men in the middle on the day without another little helper in the box watching TV.
  At least they can point to their ethos of clear and obvious, unfortunately it was here have two extra points of your six over the season on the first game just as a little pointer for the rest of the season.

[Donnywolf]

Having seen it , and having Jon Moss saying it was a "stonewall penalty" I reckon a Penalty

Most surprising / disappointing thing for me was the Ref. He has to decide surely that a Player is down with a head injury and stop play. But he didnt and that indecision might one day rebound on him

He might have thought the Wolves players was faking it , but is he , the Ref God ? He should not have hesitated - stop play and help players stay safe

I agree with you but I can't help noticing that a lot more players are holding their heads when they go to ground now, there was never so many apparent head injuries before the new rule.

And in Slagtheref No 3

How did he let Wolves Keeper play in yellow (albeit with Yellow Shorts) with Wolves outfield in Old Gold with Black Shorts ?

Surely he or the 3 officials with him should have queried that as well.

[Donnywolf]

Having seen it , and having Jon Moss saying it was a "stonewall penalty" I reckon a Penalty

Most surprising / disappointing thing for me was the Ref. He has to decide surely that a Player is down with a head injury and stop play. But he didnt and that indecision might one day rebound on him

He might have thought the Wolves players was faking it , but is he , the Ref God ? He should not have hesitated - stop play and help players stay safe

I agree with you but I can't help noticing that a lot more players are holding their heads when they go to ground now, there was never so many apparent head injuries before the new rule.

Totally agree. Fake head injuries a blight on game , but given the Refs in RU can get done for "allowing" rough tacking etc , would anyone like to risk letting play on ?

Not me

[Sammy Chung was King]

Should have been a penalty, but their inability to finish what they created, meant that that should have been, an addition to goals, they should have already scored. Nice on the eye Wolves, but no finisher.

[Donnywolf]

In Sammy Chung's day they would have won

Sammy Chung and his Golden Wanderers

[MachoMadness]

  It is not the technology it is the interpretation of the people monitoring it, and they as we all know favour the big clubs the same as when they refereed the games.
    The easy way out of it would be to give the Manchester United's and Liverpool's of this world a six point start at the beginning of the season so their supporters in the refereeing fraternity would not have to be controversial and cheat, those teams get enough help off the men in the middle on the day without another little helper in the box watching TV.
  At least they can point to their ethos of clear and obvious, unfortunately it was here have two extra points of your six over the season on the first game just as a little pointer for the rest of the season.

This. All VAR does is show a referee a replay. That ref still has to make a judgment call, and they can still get that wrong. I find it hard to believe that it being injury time at Old Trafford had nothing to do with that decision.

VAR seems like such a solid idea that has been incorporated in some form in most other major sports, I find it ridiculous that the biggest sport in the world is struggling this badly to implement it in a way that makes sense.

[EasyforDennis]

The problem with VAR  is that we have clowns watching it. Referees are human and have a split second to make a decision. (Right or wrong).
The VAR referee has playbacks, views from different angles etc etc. There is absolutely NO excuse for the clown in the box to not only get it wrong but not even ask the on field referee to have a look. He should be relegated to the National league for a season and start again.

[Donnywolf]

  It is not the technology it is the interpretation of the people monitoring it, and they as we all know favour the big clubs the same as when they refereed the games.
    The easy way out of it would be to give the Manchester United's and Liverpool's of this world a six point start at the beginning of the season so their supporters in the refereeing fraternity would not have to be controversial and cheat, those teams get enough help off the men in the middle on the day without another little helper in the box watching TV.
  At least they can point to their ethos of clear and obvious, unfortunately it was here have two extra points of your six over the season on the first game just as a little pointer for the rest of the season.

This. All VAR does is show a referee a replay. That ref still has to make a judgment call, and they can still get that wrong. I find it hard to believe that it being injury time at Old Trafford had nothing to do with that decision.

VAR seems like such a solid idea that has been incorporated in some form in most other major sports, I find it ridiculous that the biggest sport in the world is struggling this badly to implement it in a way that makes sense.

Agree ...I think though they are totally different sports to Football to adjudicate on , both Cricket and Tennis show what can be done. Especially love Cricket and how it covers most facets of play well

Rugby Union and League maybe more subjective in some decisions made

Football seems very slow to decide definitive decisions

[Dutch Uncle]

Having seen it , and having Jon Moss saying it was a "stonewall penalty" I reckon a Penalty

Most surprising / disappointing thing for me was the Ref. He has to decide surely that a Player is down with a head injury and stop play. But he didnt and that indecision might one day rebound on him

He might have thought the Wolves players was faking it , but is he , the Ref God ? He should not have hesitated - stop play and help players stay safe

I agree with you but I can't help noticing that a lot more players are holding their heads when they go to ground now, there was never so many apparent head injuries before the new rule.

Totally agree. Fake head injuries a blight on game , but given the Refs in RU can get done for "allowing" rough tacking etc , would anyone like to risk letting play on ?

Not me

For me anyone going down holding their head for more than say 3 seconds should be forced to be replaced for the rest of the match (not counted as one of 5). That might stop a few. 

[ravenrover]

If a player goes down holding his head the physio should be allowed to attend him whilst the game continues, including a goalie. The only exception should be if there is an obvious clash of heads then the game should be stopped for treatment. I'm thinking of Luis and Jiminez as an example of that

[Dutch Uncle]

If a player goes down holding his head the physio should be allowed to attend him whilst the game continues, including a goalie. The only exception should be if there is an obvious clash of heads then the game should be stopped for treatment. I'm thinking of Luis and Jiminez as an example of that

Agree about the clash of heads exception Raven