Richard wood

[Chris Black come back]

Olowu as a holding midfield player would be an absolute disaster, pretty much beyond anything seen in association football since the game was invented.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Olowu as a holding midfield player would be an absolute disaster, pretty much beyond anything seen in association football since the game was invented.

I know where you're coming from. But then again, I saw Billy Stubbs and John McGinley both play up from for us.

And Jordi Hiwula come to that.

So I wouldn't rule it out.

[Goole Rover]

You naturally have to be very good off the ball to be a passing team, something we have been absolutely dreadful at for a few years now.

We were ok in the first half, we were patient, aggressive in the challenge and picked our battles. It wasn’t until a very basic free kick routine, found JO sleeping that they ever looked like scoring- they looked bang average and passive up until that point

I can’t comment about the second half,my son wanted some food  so I was stuck in a queue for over 30 mins, I missed their goals.

Spot on County were and are bang average.

[ChrisBx]

What's the situation with Adam Long?

[Chris Black come back]

Fit but out of favour I think.

[roversdude]

If we are holding Long up as a solution then we are doomed

[Grumps]

Are you playing Woody in a flat back 4?

[steve@dcfd]

Are you playing Woody in a flat back 4?

Yes with attacking fullbacks and poor midfield

[BillyStubbsTears]

What could possibly go wrong...

[Grumps]

Are you playing Woody in a flat back 4?

Yes with attacking fullbacks and poor midfield

Oh

[sedwardsdrfc]

Almost like he was signed by a different manager who planned to play him a different way

[StocksArmy]

The overreaction on here, and on other threads is incredible. Last season everyone on this board was crying out for a new manager and a new team. We’ve got both. The pay off for those significant changes though is that it takes time for everything bed into place. It’s completely unrealistic to expect things to change quickly, so far this season we’ve played 5 competitive games. We’ve looked good in one, ok in one and poor in three. It’s disappointing, of course it is, yet probably more realistic than some expectations on here. We need patience rather than a meltdown.

Also, in the 1980/81 season we lost 4, drew 1 and won 1 of our first 6 competitive games. We ended the season being promoted.

Its not about the results though. Its the performances. We are being outrun and that isnt something you can teach people. Its the basics of football. Olowu has made continuous ridiculous mistakes under 4 managers now. Whilst the team gels we cant afford that. Wood has been made captain and has shown no signs of leading by example. Thats a fact. We dont have tenacity in midfield, another fact. The players who are injured dont have it either. There are ways of being beaten that a supporter can accept as they can see progression. I think anybody who has watched 4 of the 5 games we have played are lying if they say they are confident that this current squad is good enough for a top 7 finish this season. You cant say its an overreaction when people are calling it for what it is. Posters saying how good we were against Hull and had genuine excitement, was that an overreaction as well? Or was it seen as though it was obvious that we played fantastically well and credit was given when credit was due? Because I cant see how people can say we were fantasic and that be fine, and the same people say we were sh!t after our 3rd defeat in 4 and be told they have a lack of knowledge and that they are giving a kneejerk reaction.

[Herbert Anchovy]

The overreaction on here, and on other threads is incredible. Last season everyone on this board was crying out for a new manager and a new team. We’ve got both. The pay off for those significant changes though is that it takes time for everything bed into place. It’s completely unrealistic to expect things to change quickly, so far this season we’ve played 5 competitive games. We’ve looked good in one, ok in one and poor in three. It’s disappointing, of course it is, yet probably more realistic than some expectations on here. We need patience rather than a meltdown.

Also, in the 1980/81 season we lost 4, drew 1 and won 1 of our first 6 competitive games. We ended the season being promoted.

Its not about the results though. Its the performances. We are being outrun and that isnt something you can teach people. Its the basics of football. Olowu has made continuous ridiculous mistakes under 4 managers now. Whilst the team gels we cant afford that. Wood has been made captain and has shown no signs of leading by example. Thats a fact. We dont have tenacity in midfield, another fact. The players who are injured dont have it either. There are ways of being beaten that a supporter can accept as they can see progression. I think anybody who has watched 4 of the 5 games we have played are lying if they say they are confident that this current squad is good enough for a top 7 finish this season. You cant say its an overreaction when people are calling it for what it is. Posters saying how good we were against Hull and had genuine excitement, was that an overreaction as well? Or was it seen as though it was obvious that we played fantastically well and credit was given when credit was due? Because I cant see how people can say we were fantasic and that be fine, and the same people say we were sh!t after our 3rd defeat in 4 and be told they have a lack of knowledge and that they are giving a kneejerk reaction.

I'll be honest with you fella - I can't work out what you're talking about and I think that you may be missing the point of my post. The point that I am trying to make is this; last season we were so far behind the curve in every single way. Virtually everyone on this forum was crying out for changes in management and players. The Board obviously agreed and made those changes. BUT - where we were then and where we want to be will take some time to change. That's a fact. It's utterly ridiculous to write off a season after 4 games when the footballing infrastructure has changes so much! No Manager in the world, past or present, can build a new team and instantly change things. It's just impossible! We all comment how stupid it is when we see managers fired from jobs after a short amount of time and how patience and time should be given, so what makes us so different! Most of our performances have been poor and some of the players have been poor, but we've seen glimpses of what this team can achieve this season and it's up to the management and the squad to build that consistency but that doesn't happen overnight.

If we are in a similar position by Christmas then I will certainly be worried, but to write off the season before the end of August, given the changes that we've gone through is just madness.

[TonySoprano]

I remember Dean Saunders practically building a new team, it clicked and we know how that season ended.

It can be done.

The concerns right now are real and pertinent.

We're nearly half way to the point when the table starts taking shape ( 10 games) and we're rock bottom of the football league.

[Herbert Anchovy]

I remember Dean Saunders practically building a new team, it clicked and we know how that season ended.

It can be done.

The concerns right now are real and pertinent.

We're nearly half way to the point when the table starts taking shape ( 10 games) and we're rock bottom of the football league.

Saunders saw us relegated in his first season with us. During the first 10 games of Saunders' second season we won 5, lost 3 and drew 2. I remember us losing at home to Crawley and people calling for his head!

And you're right...we know how that season ended. We need patience and not knee jerk reactions.

[TonySoprano]

I remember Dean Saunders practically building a new team, it clicked and we know how that season ended.

It can be done.

The concerns right now are real and pertinent.

We're nearly half way to the point when the table starts taking shape ( 10 games) and we're rock bottom of the football league.

Saunders saw us relegated in his first season with us. During the first 10 games of Saunders' second season we won 5, lost 3 and drew 2. I remember us losing at home to Crawley and people calling for his head!

And you're right...we know how that season ended. We need patience and not knee jerk reactions.

Erm, not sure if you meant to but thanks for reiterating my point !

We're not going to get anywhere near 17 points in the first 10 games, and we're in a lower division.

I'd say it's mcanns biggest test in his managerial career, I've got faith he can sort it, but it's going to be f**king tough.

[selby]

  I can see the reasoning behind people expecting a change of formation, we have been out performed more than once by teams no more if as talented and as good as the players we have signed'
  And not just this season, last season we had players in games better than the oppositions and failed miserably to find a way for our players to play in a system that matched their ability and brought the best out of them.
  Now Richard Wood has rocked up, a great player no doubt about that who flourished in higher levels of football than we play at, when we have come across him he has been a thorn in our side being the big bugger down the centre whose game was centred on being physical, kicking and heading the ball clear of the penalty area and basically just playing the ball forward ASAP.
  Even in the games he has played for us he has shown in odd phases of games he has not lost the skills of heading the ball tackling, and launching the ball forward while giving the other sides strikers something to think about in challengers.
  So what do we do? we give him the ball short to play out, in an area he has always cleared as quick as possible, and the same with others like Anderson, Miller ploughing a lone furrow up top, outnumbered mid field players we ask them to do what they are not good at, and saddle them with players like Close a master of the ten yard reverse pass to a player in a worse defensive position, but his stats look fantastic.
  Its time to find a system the players are comfortable with, and plays to their strengths.

[RoversInSpain]

The overreaction on here, and on other threads is incredible. Last season everyone on this board was crying out for a new manager and a new team. We’ve got both. The pay off for those significant changes though is that it takes time for everything bed into place. It’s completely unrealistic to expect things to change quickly, so far this season we’ve played 5 competitive games. We’ve looked good in one, ok in one and poor in three. It’s disappointing, of course it is, yet probably more realistic than some expectations on here. We need patience rather than a meltdown.

Also, in the 1980/81 season we lost 4, drew 1 and won 1 of our first 6 competitive games. We ended the season being promoted.

Its not about the results though. Its the performances. We are being outrun and that isnt something you can teach people. Its the basics of football. Olowu has made continuous ridiculous mistakes under 4 managers now. Whilst the team gels we cant afford that. Wood has been made captain and has shown no signs of leading by example. Thats a fact. We dont have tenacity in midfield, another fact. The players who are injured dont have it either. There are ways of being beaten that a supporter can accept as they can see progression. I think anybody who has watched 4 of the 5 games we have played are lying if they say they are confident that this current squad is good enough for a top 7 finish this season. You cant say its an overreaction when people are calling it for what it is. Posters saying how good we were against Hull and had genuine excitement, was that an overreaction as well? Or was it seen as though it was obvious that we played fantastically well and credit was given when credit was due? Because I cant see how people can say we were fantasic and that be fine, and the same people say we were sh!t after our 3rd defeat in 4 and be told they have a lack of knowledge and that they are giving a kneejerk reaction.

I'll be honest with you fella - I can't work out what you're talking about and I think that you may be missing the point of my post. The point that I am trying to make is this; last season we were so far behind the curve in every single way. Virtually everyone on this forum was crying out for changes in management and players. The Board obviously agreed and made those changes. BUT - where we were then and where we want to be will take some time to change. That's a fact. It's utterly ridiculous to write off a season after 4 games when the footballing infrastructure has changes so much! No Manager in the world, past or present, can build a new team and instantly change things. It's just impossible! We all comment how stupid it is when we see managers fired from jobs after a short amount of time and how patience and time should be given, so what makes us so different! Most of our performances have been poor and some of the players have been poor, but we've seen glimpses of what this team can achieve this season and it's up to the management and the squad to build that consistency but that doesn't happen overnight.

If we are in a similar position by Christmas then I will certainly be worried, but to write off the season before the end of August, given the changes that we've gone through is just madness.

Far too sensible is that. Have a word with yourself, we’re doomed you know

[sedwardsdrfc]

Been crying out for a few years just to get back to basics which is what’s been suggested here. Boils me when we’ve played short from a free kick or goal kick only to have a centre half boot the ball up field under pressure so it is a easy reclaim for the opponent.

It’s not about playing like a tony pulls side its just playing in the right areas and at a decent pace. I’m going to say in L2 comfortably more goals are conceded as a result of playing out from the back than are scored from it.

[dickos1]

I remember Dean Saunders practically building a new team, it clicked and we know how that season ended.

It can be done.

The concerns right now are real and pertinent.

We're nearly half way to the point when the table starts taking shape ( 10 games) and we're rock bottom of the football league.

Saunders saw us relegated in his first season with us. During the first 10 games of Saunders' second season we won 5, lost 3 and drew 2. I remember us losing at home to Crawley and people calling for his head!

And you're right...we know how that season ended. We need patience and not knee jerk reactions.

Erm, not sure if you meant to but thanks for reiterating my point !

We're not going to get anywhere near 17 points in the first 10 games, and we're in a lower division.

I'd say it's mcanns biggest test in his managerial career, I've got faith he can sort it, but it's going to be f**king tough.

He hasn’t reiterated your point.
We’ve another 6 games left yet before we’ve played 10.
You can’t write-off a season after 4 games, from the next 6 games we could easily end up with 11-12 points.
Which would mean we’ve been in great form for 6 games, and I imagine we’d be up around halfway.

[selby]

  After his display in the second half at MK Dons I hope the penny has dropped with this lad for the management. Yesterday in the second half he went central and played 15 to twenty yards each side of the centre of the field, and was great, won headers, had all the game in front of him, and was absolutely solid down the centre of our defence, playing the game his way, the way he has always played getting something on the ball and just defending.
  All we need now is another big strong lad alongside him doing the basics as he did it yesterday, hopefully with more pace and the results will come, and we might stop shipping so many poor goals.

[RoversInSpain]

  After his display in the second half at MK Dons I hope the penny has dropped with this lad for the management. Yesterday in the second half he went central and played 15 to twenty yards each side of the centre of the field, and was great, won headers, had all the game in front of him, and was absolutely solid down the centre of our defence, playing the game his way, the way he has always played getting something on the ball and just defending.
  All we need now is another big strong lad alongside him doing the basics as he did it yesterday, hopefully with more pace and the results will come, and we might stop shipping so many poor goals.

Totally agree Selby, thought Woody was excellent. And on a couple of occasions beat the forward for pace chasing back. He looked  panic free, with room to take charge of things back there. Possibly because he wasn’t babysitting the flapping Oluwo for the second 45.
More of this please.

[roversdude]

  After his display in the second half at MK Dons I hope the penny has dropped with this lad for the management. Yesterday in the second half he went central and played 15 to twenty yards each side of the centre of the field, and was great, won headers, had all the game in front of him, and was absolutely solid down the centre of our defence, playing the game his way, the way he has always played getting something on the ball and just defending.
  All we need now is another big strong lad alongside him doing the basics as he did it yesterday, hopefully with more pace and the results will come, and we might stop shipping so many poor goals.

Anyone in mind Selby

[TonySoprano]

I remember Dean Saunders practically building a new team, it clicked and we know how that season ended.

It can be done.

The concerns right now are real and pertinent.

We're nearly half way to the point when the table starts taking shape ( 10 games) and we're rock bottom of the football league.

Saunders saw us relegated in his first season with us. During the first 10 games of Saunders' second season we won 5, lost 3 and drew 2. I remember us losing at home to Crawley and people calling for his head!

And you're right...we know how that season ended. We need patience and not knee jerk reactions.

Erm, not sure if you meant to but thanks for reiterating my point !

We're not going to get anywhere near 17 points in the first 10 games, and we're in a lower division.

I'd say it's mcanns biggest test in his managerial career, I've got faith he can sort it, but it's going to be f**king tough.

He hasn’t reiterated your point.
We’ve another 6 games left yet before we’ve played 10.
You can’t write-off a season after 4 games, from the next 6 games we could easily end up with 11-12 points.
Which would mean we’ve been in great form for 6 games, and I imagine we’d be up around halfway.

We're 5 games in, with 1 point and a minus 8 goal difference.
Were rock bottom of the football league, our start has been an almighty disaster given most people's expectations this season.

[colincramb]

I remember Dean Saunders practically building a new team, it clicked and we know how that season ended.

It can be done.

The concerns right now are real and pertinent.

We're nearly half way to the point when the table starts taking shape ( 10 games) and we're rock bottom of the football league.

Saunders saw us relegated in his first season with us. During the first 10 games of Saunders' second season we won 5, lost 3 and drew 2. I remember us losing at home to Crawley and people calling for his head!

And you're right...we know how that season ended. We need patience and not knee jerk reactions.

Erm, not sure if you meant to but thanks for reiterating my point !

We're not going to get anywhere near 17 points in the first 10 games, and we're in a lower division.

I'd say it's mcanns biggest test in his managerial career, I've got faith he can sort it, but it's going to be f**king tough.

He hasn’t reiterated your point.
We’ve another 6 games left yet before we’ve played 10.
You can’t write-off a season after 4 games, from the next 6 games we could easily end up with 11-12 points.
Which would mean we’ve been in great form for 6 games, and I imagine we’d be up around halfway.

We're 5 games in, with 1 point and a minus 8 goal difference.
Were rock bottom of the football league, our start has been an almighty disaster given most people's expectations this season.

You’re wasting your time. Dickos still thinks we are getting promoted

[Bentley Bullet]

  After his display in the second half at MK Dons I hope the penny has dropped with this lad for the management. Yesterday in the second half he went central and played 15 to twenty yards each side of the centre of the field, and was great, won headers, had all the game in front of him, and was absolutely solid down the centre of our defence, playing the game his way, the way he has always played getting something on the ball and just defending.
  All we need now is another big strong lad alongside him doing the basics as he did it yesterday, hopefully with more pace and the results will come, and we might stop shipping so many poor goals.

Anyone in mind Selby

Alfie May?

[bpoolrover]

Thought wood did well today out of the defence he eas easily the best of them

[dickos1]

I remember Dean Saunders practically building a new team, it clicked and we know how that season ended.

It can be done.

The concerns right now are real and pertinent.

We're nearly half way to the point when the table starts taking shape ( 10 games) and we're rock bottom of the football league.

Saunders saw us relegated in his first season with us. During the first 10 games of Saunders' second season we won 5, lost 3 and drew 2. I remember us losing at home to Crawley and people calling for his head!

And you're right...we know how that season ended. We need patience and not knee jerk reactions.

Erm, not sure if you meant to but thanks for reiterating my point !

We're not going to get anywhere near 17 points in the first 10 games, and we're in a lower division.

I'd say it's mcanns biggest test in his managerial career, I've got faith he can sort it, but it's going to be f**king tough.

He hasn’t reiterated your point.
We’ve another 6 games left yet before we’ve played 10.
You can’t write-off a season after 4 games, from the next 6 games we could easily end up with 11-12 points.
Which would mean we’ve been in great form for 6 games, and I imagine we’d be up around halfway.

We're 5 games in, with 1 point and a minus 8 goal difference.
Were rock bottom of the football league, our start has been an almighty disaster given most people's expectations this season.

You’re wasting your time. Dickos still thinks we are getting promoted

5 games into a 46 game season.
Beyond belief that people are writing the season off, absolutely bonkers.
Find something else to do with your Saturday afternoon

Last season Stockport got 9 points from their first 10 games and ended up in the playoffs, writing a season off as early as this is pathetic

[TonySoprano]

I remember Dean Saunders practically building a new team, it clicked and we know how that season ended.

It can be done.

The concerns right now are real and pertinent.

We're nearly half way to the point when the table starts taking shape ( 10 games) and we're rock bottom of the football league.

Saunders saw us relegated in his first season with us. During the first 10 games of Saunders' second season we won 5, lost 3 and drew 2. I remember us losing at home to Crawley and people calling for his head!

And you're right...we know how that season ended. We need patience and not knee jerk reactions.

Erm, not sure if you meant to but thanks for reiterating my point !

We're not going to get anywhere near 17 points in the first 10 games, and we're in a lower division.

I'd say it's mcanns biggest test in his managerial career, I've got faith he can sort it, but it's going to be f**king tough.

He hasn’t reiterated your point.
We’ve another 6 games left yet before we’ve played 10.
You can’t write-off a season after 4 games, from the next 6 games we could easily end up with 11-12 points.
Which would mean we’ve been in great form for 6 games, and I imagine we’d be up around halfway.

We're 5 games in, with 1 point and a minus 8 goal difference.
Were rock bottom of the football league, our start has been an almighty disaster given most people's expectations this season.

You’re wasting your time. Dickos still thinks we are getting promoted

5 games into a 46 game season.
Beyond belief that people are writing the season off, absolutely bonkers.
Find something else to do with your Saturday afternoon

Last season Stockport got 9 points from their first 10 games and ended up in the playoffs, writing a season off as early as this is pathetic

I'm not writing the season off, infact I wouldn't be surprised if we finished in the play offs.
But to not accept that the start we have had is a catastrophic nightmare, is pure delusion .

[dickos1]

I was replying to cramb who seems to think the notion of us having a good season is nothing more than dreamland.