When a Government...

[i_ateallthepies]

I mean you've got to hand it to the government of Rwanda haven't you ?

To be able to trouser £290m quid from a Tory government in exchange for doing absolutely the square root of feck all is quite remarkable .

They learned that trick from the PPE suppliers, Tyke.

[Not Now Kato]

I mean you've got to hand it to the government of Rwanda haven't you ?

To be able to trouser £290m quid from a Tory government in exchange for doing absolutely the square root of feck all is quite remarkable .

They learned that trick from the PPE suppliers, Tyke.

 
Apparently Micelle Mone is also now ashamed to be a Tory peer. Not because of the damage the Torie have done to the nation, oh no, because the Government (when it had no option) has asked for the money back.

Tory peer Michelle Mone 'regrets' denying links with PPE firm https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...itics-67674683

[BillyStubbsTears]

You know when I keep saying this shit shower of Tories have zero to offer but Culture War?

You know how it sounds like me exaggerating for political effect?

Look at what this morning has given us. Labour plans a massive investment in new nurseries. This is how leading Tories respond.

https://twitter.com/LeeAndersonMP_/status/1740651781011718642

[Filo]

Lee Anderson is a Knob, soon to be unemployed knob with a nice pension

[Iberian Red]

Lee Anderson is a Knob, soon to be unemployed knob with a nice pension

He is a know,so are people that support his views.
He'll be a know on a good pension, and when others pensions dwindle, the poor old knows will still support and defend his views.





Knobs

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

A lot of people would agree with that and that parents should parent (family of mine for sure).  I disagree, expanding nurseries isn't a bad idea and gets more people (mostly women) working.

But there is still a real problem with it and it's this (per the Guardian);

Labour had been considering the idea of universal free childcare for children over nine months old, but is now considering a means-tested system instead, tapering off support for higher-income families.

The detail on that will be key, currently there's a real problem in early years care that in lots of families it's not worth both parents working and that is really unfair on largely women!

This stat below is scandalous;

Last month a survey by the Fawcett Society estimated about 250,000 mothers with young children had left their jobs because of difficulties with balancing work and childcare.

[Iberian Red]

Valid point  BFYP.
However Let's not forget get that the Tories core value for years(and not too long back) were all about 'traditional family values'.
Single parents were like the enemy within. There had to be two. One working and the other cooking,cleaning and changing nappies

[Iberian Red]

Can I just add Jamyes Daly to that post.
Conservative MP for North Bury.
What an absolute cnut.
No wonder the country is f@cked with cnuts like him,and cnuts that vote for politicians like him.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Annnndddd...another one.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-67842890

[tyke1962]

Can I just add Jamyes Daly to that post.
Conservative MP for North Bury.
What an absolute cnut.
No wonder the country is f@cked with cnuts like him,and cnuts that vote for politicians like him.

Well he's not entirely wrong is he , whilst I know the game Daly is playing and his government's record  that doesn't mean what he says isn't without substance .

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

Valid point  BFYP.
However Let's not forget get that the Tories core value for years(and not too long back) were all about 'traditional family values'.
Single parents were like the enemy within. There had to be two. One working and the other cooking,cleaning and changing nappies

Yes it's outdated and fundamentally incorrect.

The bury MP in some cases clearly has a point too.

[danumdon]

Valid point  BFYP.
However Let's not forget get that the Tories core value for years(and not too long back) were all about 'traditional family values'.
Single parents were like the enemy within. There had to be two. One working and the other cooking,cleaning and changing nappies

Yes it's outdated and fundamentally incorrect.

The bury MP in some cases clearly has a point too.

Very understandable that in today's society these views would be seen as off kilter and out of touch but that in itself does not make them wrong.

You could also say the same about kids from a failed marriage or missing fathers, which i'm quite sure would be an anathema to many today. but its a steep learning curve for many and some never get there, unfortunately.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Can I just add Jamyes Daly to that post.
Conservative MP for North Bury.
What an absolute cnut.
No wonder the country is f@cked with cnuts like him,and cnuts that vote for politicians like him.

Well he's not entirely wrong is he , whilst I know the game Daly is playing and his government's record  that doesn't mean what he says isn't without substance .

The game that Daly is playing, is feeding ignorant prejudice.

He doesn't have any research evidence to support his statement.

His Government has cut child mental health support funding. If you and your child are unlucky enough for them to have mental health issues, you will soon realise there is an epidemic of it out there, with most parents doing their f**king damnedest to help their kids through, with next to zero support.

He's a Kitson, peddling ignorant b*llocks while his Govt turns a blind eye to a truly frightening problem.

[Iberian Red]

Can I just add Jamyes Daly to that post.
Conservative MP for North Bury.
What an absolute cnut.
No wonder the country is f@cked with cnuts like him,and cnuts that vote for politicians like him.

Well he's not entirely wrong is he , whilst I know the game Daly is playing and his government's record  that doesn't mean what he says isn't without substance .

You've just proved the point of my post Tyke

[tyke1962]

Can I just add Jamyes Daly to that post.
Conservative MP for North Bury.
What an absolute cnut.
No wonder the country is f@cked with cnuts like him,and cnuts that vote for politicians like him.

Well he's not entirely wrong is he , whilst I know the game Daly is playing and his government's record  that doesn't mean what he says isn't without substance .

You've just proved the point of my post Tyke

Well only if the standard of parenting in this country was high .

Personal responsibility seems to be something that escapes poor parents .

Always someone else's fault isn't it ?


Whilst I agree with Billy's point about mental health provision it's worth pointing out the thousands of people in this country whose lives are made hell by feral kids running riot on UK estates and are seemingly untouchable .

The number of these tw@ts who carry and use knives everyday on our streets .

I could go on .

As I say Daly isn't totally wrong .

[wilts rover]

Can I just add Jamyes Daly to that post.
Conservative MP for North Bury.
What an absolute cnut.
No wonder the country is f@cked with cnuts like him,and cnuts that vote for politicians like him.

Well he's not entirely wrong is he , whilst I know the game Daly is playing and his government's record  that doesn't mean what he says isn't without substance .

You've just proved the point of my post Tyke

Well only if the standard of parenting in this country was high .

Personal responsibility seems to be something that escapes poor parents .

Always someone else's fault isn't it ?


Whilst I agree with Billy's point about mental health provision it's worth pointing out the thousands of people in this country whose lives are made hell by feral kids running riot on UK estates and are seemingly untouchable .

The number of these tw@ts who carry and use knives everyday on our streets .

I could go on .

As I say Daly isn't totally wrong .

Written like a true Tory tyke.

[tyke1962]

Can I just add Jamyes Daly to that post.
Conservative MP for North Bury.
What an absolute cnut.
No wonder the country is f@cked with cnuts like him,and cnuts that vote for politicians like him.

Well he's not entirely wrong is he , whilst I know the game Daly is playing and his government's record  that doesn't mean what he says isn't without substance .

You've just proved the point of my post Tyke

Well only if the standard of parenting in this country was high .

Personal responsibility seems to be something that escapes poor parents .

Always someone else's fault isn't it ?


Whilst I agree with Billy's point about mental health provision it's worth pointing out the thousands of people in this country whose lives are made hell by feral kids running riot on UK estates and are seemingly untouchable .

The number of these tw@ts who carry and use knives everyday on our streets .

I could go on .

As I say Daly isn't totally wrong .

Written like a true Tory tyke.

Yep that's the standard reply from the more liberal voices amongst us .

Take a bow , you've done as much harm to this country as any Tory government .

[scawsby steve]

Can I just add Jamyes Daly to that post.
Conservative MP for North Bury.
What an absolute cnut.
No wonder the country is f@cked with cnuts like him,and cnuts that vote for politicians like him.

Well he's not entirely wrong is he , whilst I know the game Daly is playing and his government's record  that doesn't mean what he says isn't without substance .

You've just proved the point of my post Tyke

Well only if the standard of parenting in this country was high .

Personal responsibility seems to be something that escapes poor parents .

Always someone else's fault isn't it ?


Whilst I agree with Billy's point about mental health provision it's worth pointing out the thousands of people in this country whose lives are made hell by feral kids running riot on UK estates and are seemingly untouchable .

The number of these tw@ts who carry and use knives everyday on our streets .

I could go on .

As I say Daly isn't totally wrong .

Written like a true Tory tyke.

Silly post, Wilts. Tyke is nothing like a Tory, and you know it.

Starmer is much more Tory-like than Tyke.

[tyke1962]

Can I just add Jamyes Daly to that post.
Conservative MP for North Bury.
What an absolute cnut.
No wonder the country is f@cked with cnuts like him,and cnuts that vote for politicians like him.

Well he's not entirely wrong is he , whilst I know the game Daly is playing and his government's record  that doesn't mean what he says isn't without substance .

You've just proved the point of my post Tyke

Well only if the standard of parenting in this country was high .

Personal responsibility seems to be something that escapes poor parents .

Always someone else's fault isn't it ?


Whilst I agree with Billy's point about mental health provision it's worth pointing out the thousands of people in this country whose lives are made hell by feral kids running riot on UK estates and are seemingly untouchable .

The number of these tw@ts who carry and use knives everyday on our streets .

I could go on .

As I say Daly isn't totally wrong .

Written like a true Tory tyke.

Silly post, Wilts. Tyke is nothing like a Tory, and you know it.

Starmer is much more Tory-like than Tyke.

At least I won't be voting for this betrayal Steve and I suspect neither will your good self .

The pages on this board from such as yourself and others are well documented on what a Labour government will look like .

Here's another , just how Tory can you be with a red rose stuck on your lapel ?

https://inews.co.uk/news/labour-plans-nhs-private-entrepreneurs-2820261?ito=copy-link_share_article-top

[Filo]

Can I just add Jamyes Daly to that post.
Conservative MP for North Bury.
What an absolute cnut.
No wonder the country is f@cked with cnuts like him,and cnuts that vote for politicians like him.

Well he's not entirely wrong is he , whilst I know the game Daly is playing and his government's record  that doesn't mean what he says isn't without substance .

You've just proved the point of my post Tyke

Well only if the standard of parenting in this country was high .

Personal responsibility seems to be something that escapes poor parents .

Always someone else's fault isn't it ?


Whilst I agree with Billy's point about mental health provision it's worth pointing out the thousands of people in this country whose lives are made hell by feral kids running riot on UK estates and are seemingly untouchable .

The number of these tw@ts who carry and use knives everyday on our streets .

I could go on .

As I say Daly isn't totally wrong .

Written like a true Tory tyke.

Silly post, Wilts. Tyke is nothing like a Tory, and you know it.

Starmer is much more Tory-like than Tyke.

At least I won't be voting for this betrayal Steve and I suspect neither will your good self .

The pages on this board from such as yourself and others are well documented on what a Labour government will look like .

Here's another , just how Tory can you be with a red rose stuck on your lapel ?

https://inews.co.uk/news/labour-plans-nhs-private-entrepreneurs-2820261?ito=copy-link_share_article-top

You’re a Tory hiding behind “I was a striking Miner”

I’ve said it before and nothing has changed my mund

[tyke1962]

Can I just add Jamyes Daly to that post.
Conservative MP for North Bury.
What an absolute cnut.
No wonder the country is f@cked with cnuts like him,and cnuts that vote for politicians like him.

Well he's not entirely wrong is he , whilst I know the game Daly is playing and his government's record  that doesn't mean what he says isn't without substance .

You've just proved the point of my post Tyke

Well only if the standard of parenting in this country was high .

Personal responsibility seems to be something that escapes poor parents .

Always someone else's fault isn't it ?


Whilst I agree with Billy's point about mental health provision it's worth pointing out the thousands of people in this country whose lives are made hell by feral kids running riot on UK estates and are seemingly untouchable .

The number of these tw@ts who carry and use knives everyday on our streets .

I could go on .

As I say Daly isn't totally wrong .

Written like a true Tory tyke.

Silly post, Wilts. Tyke is nothing like a Tory, and you know it.

Starmer is much more Tory-like than Tyke.

At least I won't be voting for this betrayal Steve and I suspect neither will your good self .

The pages on this board from such as yourself and others are well documented on what a Labour government will look like .

Here's another , just how Tory can you be with a red rose stuck on your lapel ?

https://inews.co.uk/news/labour-plans-nhs-private-entrepreneurs-2820261?ito=copy-link_share_article-top

You’re a Tory hiding behind “I was a striking Miner”

I’ve said it before and nothing has changed my mund

I wonder if 2024 will bring you some enlightenment and ditch the ad hominem that seems to form the basis of your replies to people you disagree with ? .

[SydneyRover]

That's hilarious from you tyke

[SydneyRover]

It's quite easy to see how the world turns on mis-information, mixing a smattering of truth within a huge misrepresentation, the 'dead cat' lives.

It would be a brave person to say that 100% of parents are perfect but it would be an enormous stretch to entertain the idea that bad parenting lies at the heart of a country's woes in any way shape or form.

To be persuaded by this form of 'seeding' says more about those who choose to believe than the argument itself and the usual suspects appear to either advance it or to throw in more dead cats.

[tyke1962]

It's quite easy to see how the world turns on mis-information, mixing a smattering of truth within a huge misrepresentation, the 'dead cat' lives.

It would be a brave person to say that 100% of parents are perfect but it would be an enormous stretch to entertain the idea that bad parenting lies at the heart of a country's woes in any way shape or form.

To be persuaded by this form of 'seeding' says more about those who choose to believe than the argument itself and the usual suspects appear to either advance it or to throw in more dead cats.

Simple enough question Syd

How much knife crime amongst school age kids did you see when you were at school ?

[BillyStubbsTears]

It's quite easy to see how the world turns on mis-information, mixing a smattering of truth within a huge misrepresentation, the 'dead cat' lives.

It would be a brave person to say that 100% of parents are perfect but it would be an enormous stretch to entertain the idea that bad parenting lies at the heart of a country's woes in any way shape or form.

To be persuaded by this form of 'seeding' says more about those who choose to believe than the argument itself and the usual suspects appear to either advance it or to throw in more dead cats.

Simple enough question Syd

How much knife crime amongst school age kids did you see when you were at school ?

Right back at yer. How many kids had the living shit kicked out of them by their parents when we were kids?

[tyke1962]

It's quite easy to see how the world turns on mis-information, mixing a smattering of truth within a huge misrepresentation, the 'dead cat' lives.

It would be a brave person to say that 100% of parents are perfect but it would be an enormous stretch to entertain the idea that bad parenting lies at the heart of a country's woes in any way shape or form.

To be persuaded by this form of 'seeding' says more about those who choose to believe than the argument itself and the usual suspects appear to either advance it or to throw in more dead cats.

Simple enough question Syd

How much knife crime amongst school age kids did you see when you were at school ?

Right back at yer. How many kids had the living shit kicked out of them by their parents when we were kids?

Presumably using the same logic we should ban all cars from the road because innocent kids get run over and killed .

[SydneyRover]

It's quite easy to see how the world turns on mis-information, mixing a smattering of truth within a huge misrepresentation, the 'dead cat' lives.

It would be a brave person to say that 100% of parents are perfect but it would be an enormous stretch to entertain the idea that bad parenting lies at the heart of a country's woes in any way shape or form.

To be persuaded by this form of 'seeding' says more about those who choose to believe than the argument itself and the usual suspects appear to either advance it or to throw in more dead cats.

Simple enough question Syd

How much knife crime amongst school age kids did you see when you were at school ?

And what has this got to do with anything at all selby?

[tommy toes]

Each generation thinks that things were better in their day, regarding parents and kids behaviour, and many other things.
If you were to study social history you'll find this is nonsense.
The difference today is it's all reported in the avalanche of media.
Take football hooliganism.
40 years ago I knew a bloke who was 90 then.
He told me of pre arranged pitched battles between
Rovers/Scunny/Rotherham supporters. This was 100 years ago.
A Rovers match was abandoned at the Intake ground after the fans invaded the pitch and attacked the Ref.
In the 19thC and before there were gangs of youths in every town who'd hang around and rob/batter people, despite their parents having licence to physically assault them for bad behaviour.
Things like incest and paedophilia have been around for centuries, but either ignored or tolerated. Nobody spoke about it.

Is that a better way to be?
Of course not, at least nowadays we are trying to deal with these issues

[wilts rover]

Can I just add Jamyes Daly to that post.
Conservative MP for North Bury.
What an absolute cnut.
No wonder the country is f@cked with cnuts like him,and cnuts that vote for politicians like him.

Well he's not entirely wrong is he , whilst I know the game Daly is playing and his government's record  that doesn't mean what he says isn't without substance .

You've just proved the point of my post Tyke

Well only if the standard of parenting in this country was high .

Personal responsibility seems to be something that escapes poor parents .

Always someone else's fault isn't it ?


Whilst I agree with Billy's point about mental health provision it's worth pointing out the thousands of people in this country whose lives are made hell by feral kids running riot on UK estates and are seemingly untouchable .

The number of these tw@ts who carry and use knives everyday on our streets .

I could go on .

As I say Daly isn't totally wrong .

Written like a true Tory tyke.

Silly post, Wilts. Tyke is nothing like a Tory, and you know it.

Starmer is much more Tory-like than Tyke.

If Tyke supports Tory policies and arguments then he deserves to be called out for what he does. He is certainly not a socialist.

I am afraid he has moved that far left he has joined the far right. Meeting the Tories along the way.

But yes Starmer is much more old style Tory than many Tories. Which appears to anger lots of them.

[belton rover]

Each generation thinks that things were better in their day, regarding parents and kids behaviour, and many other things.
If you were to study social history you'll find this is nonsense.
The difference today is it's all reported in the avalanche of media.
Take football hooliganism.
40 years ago I knew a bloke who was 90 then.
He told me of pre arranged pitched battles between
Rovers/Scunny/Rotherham supporters. This was 100 years ago.
A Rovers match was abandoned at the Intake ground after the fans invaded the pitch and attacked the Ref.
In the 19thC and before there were gangs of youths in every town who'd hang around and rob/batter people, despite their parents having licence to physically assault them for bad behaviour.
Things like incest and paedophilia have been around for centuries, but either ignored or tolerated. Nobody spoke about it.

Is that a better way to be?
Of course not, at least nowadays we are trying to deal with these issues

Each generation thinks that things were better in their day, regarding parents and kids behaviour, and many other things.
If you were to study social history you'll find this is nonsense.
The difference today is it's all reported in the avalanche of media.
Take football hooliganism.
40 years ago I knew a bloke who was 90 then.
He told me of pre arranged pitched battles between
Rovers/Scunny/Rotherham supporters. This was 100 years ago.
A Rovers match was abandoned at the Intake ground after the fans invaded the pitch and attacked the Ref.
In the 19thC and before there were gangs of youths in every town who'd hang around and rob/batter people, despite their parents having licence to physically assault them for bad behaviour.
Things like incest and paedophilia have been around for centuries, but either ignored or tolerated. Nobody spoke about it.

Is that a better way to be?
Of course not, at least nowadays we are trying to deal with these issues

I agree with all of that, Tommy.
But there is a but:
The avalanche of (social) media has also massively increased unrest in many different forms.