When a Government...

[Bentley Bullet]

Each generation thinks that things were better in their day, regarding parents and kids behaviour, and many other things.
If you were to study social history you'll find this is nonsense.
The difference today is it's all reported in the avalanche of media.
Take football hooliganism.
40 years ago I knew a bloke who was 90 then.
He told me of pre arranged pitched battles between
Rovers/Scunny/Rotherham supporters. This was 100 years ago.
A Rovers match was abandoned at the Intake ground after the fans invaded the pitch and attacked the Ref.
In the 19thC and before there were gangs of youths in every town who'd hang around and rob/batter people, despite their parents having licence to physically assault them for bad behaviour.
Things like incest and paedophilia have been around for centuries, but either ignored or tolerated. Nobody spoke about it.

Is that a better way to be?
Of course not, at least nowadays we are trying to deal with these issues

Each generation thinks that things were better in their day, regarding parents and kids behaviour, and many other things.
If you were to study social history you'll find this is nonsense.
The difference today is it's all reported in the avalanche of media.
Take football hooliganism.
40 years ago I knew a bloke who was 90 then.
He told me of pre arranged pitched battles between
Rovers/Scunny/Rotherham supporters. This was 100 years ago.
A Rovers match was abandoned at the Intake ground after the fans invaded the pitch and attacked the Ref.
In the 19thC and before there were gangs of youths in every town who'd hang around and rob/batter people, despite their parents having licence to physically assault them for bad behaviour.
Things like incest and paedophilia have been around for centuries, but either ignored or tolerated. Nobody spoke about it.

Is that a better way to be?
Of course not, at least nowadays we are trying to deal with these issues

I agree with all of that, Tommy.
But there is a but:
The avalanche of (social) media has also massively increased unrest in many different forms.

And politically, nowadays, every word uttered and every action taken by politicians is reported on if it suits an agenda. There is no such thing as off the record.

[tyke1962]

Can I just add Jamyes Daly to that post.
Conservative MP for North Bury.
What an absolute cnut.
No wonder the country is f@cked with cnuts like him,and cnuts that vote for politicians like him.

Well he's not entirely wrong is he , whilst I know the game Daly is playing and his government's record  that doesn't mean what he says isn't without substance .

You've just proved the point of my post Tyke

Well only if the standard of parenting in this country was high .

Personal responsibility seems to be something that escapes poor parents .

Always someone else's fault isn't it ?


Whilst I agree with Billy's point about mental health provision it's worth pointing out the thousands of people in this country whose lives are made hell by feral kids running riot on UK estates and are seemingly untouchable .

The number of these tw@ts who carry and use knives everyday on our streets .

I could go on .

As I say Daly isn't totally wrong .

Written like a true Tory tyke.

Silly post, Wilts. Tyke is nothing like a Tory, and you know it.

Starmer is much more Tory-like than Tyke.

If Tyke supports Tory policies and arguments then he deserves to be called out for what he does. He is certainly not a socialist.

I am afraid he has moved that far left he has joined the far right. Meeting the Tories along the way.

But yes Starmer is much more old style Tory than many Tories. Which appears to anger lots of them.

I just don't do metropolitan navel gazing identity politics .

Simple as that .

[BillyStubbsTears]

You know when I keep saying this shit show of a Govt has nothing to offer but Culture War?

You know how sometimes it feels like I'm exaggerating for political effect?

You know it's only 48 hours since I last said exactly the same thing, and already they're at it again.

https://twitter.com/RishiSunak/status/1741782514270671194

Just stop and read that again.

That's the PM of the UK boasting about a policy that will damage one of the most successful export sectors that we have, in order to satisfy a few ignorant xenophobes.

What the f**k is wrong with these people?

[tyke1962]

You know when I keep saying this shit show of a Govt has nothing to offer but Culture War?

You know how sometimes it feels like I'm exaggerating for political effect?

You know it's only 48 hours since I last said exactly the same thing, and already they're at it again.

https://twitter.com/RishiSunak/status/1741782514270671194

Just stop and read that again.

That's the PM of the UK boasting about a policy that will damage one of the most successful export sectors that we have, in order to satisfy a few ignorant xenophobes.

What the f**k is wrong with these people?

Why do you need to bring your parents or family  when you are here to study ?

Old enough to look after themselves I presume given most students perfectly manage to do it .

In fact I'd imagine most students wouldn't want family or their parents with them and exercise some independence and freedom .

[BillyStubbsTears]

You know when I keep saying this shit show of a Govt has nothing to offer but Culture War?

You know how sometimes it feels like I'm exaggerating for political effect?

You know it's only 48 hours since I last said exactly the same thing, and already they're at it again.

https://twitter.com/RishiSunak/status/1741782514270671194

Just stop and read that again.

That's the PM of the UK boasting about a policy that will damage one of the most successful export sectors that we have, in order to satisfy a few ignorant xenophobes.

What the f**k is wrong with these people?

Why do you need to bring your parents or family  when you are here to study ?

Old enough to look after themselves I presume given most students perfectly manage to do it .

In fact I'd imagine most students wouldn't want family or their parents with them and exercise some independence and freedom .

It's about wives/husbands and kids.

[tyke1962]

You know when I keep saying this shit show of a Govt has nothing to offer but Culture War?

You know how sometimes it feels like I'm exaggerating for political effect?

You know it's only 48 hours since I last said exactly the same thing, and already they're at it again.

https://twitter.com/RishiSunak/status/1741782514270671194

Just stop and read that again.

That's the PM of the UK boasting about a policy that will damage one of the most successful export sectors that we have, in order to satisfy a few ignorant xenophobes.

What the f**k is wrong with these people?

Why do you need to bring your parents or family  when you are here to study ?

Old enough to look after themselves I presume given most students perfectly manage to do it .

In fact I'd imagine most students wouldn't want family or their parents with them and exercise some independence and freedom .

It's about wives/husbands and kids.

Do the family members have to support themselves ?

[BillyStubbsTears]

You know when I keep saying this shit show of a Govt has nothing to offer but Culture War?

You know how sometimes it feels like I'm exaggerating for political effect?

You know it's only 48 hours since I last said exactly the same thing, and already they're at it again.

https://twitter.com/RishiSunak/status/1741782514270671194

Just stop and read that again.

That's the PM of the UK boasting about a policy that will damage one of the most successful export sectors that we have, in order to satisfy a few ignorant xenophobes.

What the f**k is wrong with these people?

Why do you need to bring your parents or family  when you are here to study ?

Old enough to look after themselves I presume given most students perfectly manage to do it .

In fact I'd imagine most students wouldn't want family or their parents with them and exercise some independence and freedom .

It's about wives/husbands and kids.

Do the family members have to support themselves ?

They can't claim benefits if that's what you mean. They have to pay £800 per person per year to cover potential NHS costs.

This is being done because it is an easy target which allows the Govt to pander you the sort of bigot who will never actually meet an overseas student or their family, but who reads about them in the Mail and the Express and hears about them on Fascist FM.

[belton rover]

How many university students have wives, husbands and children?
I know some do - I did myself, but it must be a tiny, tiny fraction.

[tyke1962]

You know when I keep saying this shit show of a Govt has nothing to offer but Culture War?

You know how sometimes it feels like I'm exaggerating for political effect?

You know it's only 48 hours since I last said exactly the same thing, and already they're at it again.

https://twitter.com/RishiSunak/status/1741782514270671194

Just stop and read that again.

That's the PM of the UK boasting about a policy that will damage one of the most successful export sectors that we have, in order to satisfy a few ignorant xenophobes.

What the f**k is wrong with these people?

Why do you need to bring your parents or family  when you are here to study ?

Old enough to look after themselves I presume given most students perfectly manage to do it .

In fact I'd imagine most students wouldn't want family or their parents with them and exercise some independence and freedom .

It's about wives/husbands and kids.

Do the family members have to support themselves ?

They can't claim benefits if that's what you mean. They have to pay £800 per person per year to cover potential NHS costs.

This is being done because it is an easy target which allows the Govt to pander you the sort of bigot who will never actually meet an overseas student or their family, but who reads about them in the Mail and the Express and hears about them on Fascist FM.

Seems a bit harsh then and in the grand scheme of things hardly worth the bother .

[BillyStubbsTears]

Its worth the bother for these bas**rds in charge, because it throws a bit of red meat to ignorant bigots. And if doing so f**ks over one of our strongest economic success stories, so be it. Because feeding the bigots is all the Tories have left.

That's what the Govt of the UK has been reduced to. The one that you will "meh" if it gets elected again.

[SydneyRover]

Belton:

''I agree with all of that, Tommy.
But there is a but:
The avalanche of (social) media has also massively increased unrest in many different forms''

There's more to it than just an avalanche it's snowballs that are thrown in by the manipulators that start the slide, it's the drip, drip, drip of the manipulators messages that taken up as truth, it's the false prophets spewing out nonsense, the media (and plenty on here) that profess to be maintaining a 'balance of fairness' which in reality is not there.

[drfchound]

Syd, you are just proving that what Belton said is in fact correct.
Oh, and for balance, it works both ways.

[belton rover]

Belton:

''I agree with all of that, Tommy.
But there is a but:
The avalanche of (social) media has also massively increased unrest in many different forms''

There's more to it than just an avalanche it's snowballs that are thrown in by the manipulators that start the slide, it's the drip, drip, drip of the manipulators messages that taken up as truth, it's the false prophets spewing out nonsense, the media (and plenty on here) that profess to be maintaining a 'balance of fairness' which in reality is not there.

As I said, many different forms.

[SydneyRover]

Belton:

''I agree with all of that, Tommy.
But there is a but:
The avalanche of (social) media has also massively increased unrest in many different forms''

There's more to it than just an avalanche it's snowballs that are thrown in by the manipulators that start the slide, it's the drip, drip, drip of the manipulators messages that taken up as truth, it's the false prophets spewing out nonsense, the media (and plenty on here) that profess to be maintaining a 'balance of fairness' which in reality is not there.

As I said, many different forms.

correct, I'm just filling in the missing detail is all

[Iberian Red]

How many university students have wives, husbands and children?
I know some do - I did myself, but it must be a tiny, tiny fraction.

When it comes to post grads,masters and phds a great number do.
It's also where the higher numbers of overseas students are. So it's not a valid point you are making.

[belton rover]

How many university students have wives, husbands and children?
I know some do - I did myself, but it must be a tiny, tiny fraction.

When it comes to post grads,masters and phds a great number do.
It's also where the higher numbers of overseas students are. So it's not a valid point you are making.

It is a valid point, but I don’t expect you to accept it.

[BillyStubbsTears]

How many university students have wives, husbands and children?
I know some do - I did myself, but it must be a tiny, tiny fraction.

When it comes to post grads,masters and phds a great number do.
It's also where the higher numbers of overseas students are. So it's not a valid point you are making.

It is a valid point, but I don’t expect you to accept it.

I don't know how many it is, but whether the number is large or small, this is a horrible policy because it sends out a prickly, unpleasant message to the entire foreign student market.

There are many countries, from Germany through Canada to Australia who are shaping up to take on the UK in that market. Why would you send this sort of message out about the way in which the UK thinks about foreign students.

Then, whether the number is big or small, there are strong, valid criticisms to be made of Sunak's trumpeting of the policy.

If the number is big, this will materially hurt the FE sector, or lead to foreign students having to split from their families to come here (and remembering that experience of Britain when they go home and move up through their societal and business ranks).

If the number is small and won't materially affect the FE sector, it also won't materially affect "immigration" (sic) numbers. So what the f**k is the PM of the UK doing making his first public message of the Election year one which is about an insignificant policy which he claims is showing that "In 2024, we’re already delivering for the British people"?

There's no other way of looking at this. It either wilfully hurts the FE sector to satisfy bigots, or he's lying to satisfy bigots.

[Iberian Red]

How many university students have wives, husbands and children?
I know some do - I did myself, but it must be a tiny, tiny fraction.

When it comes to post grads,masters and phds a great number do.
It's also where the higher numbers of overseas students are. So it's not a valid point you are making.

It is a valid point, but I don’t expect you to accept it.

Don't be silly. Why is it a valid point if numbers are significantly higher. If it was valid I would accept it.
Perhaps if you had to be separated from your family when you were at university you would be a little more understanding. I doubt it tho.

[belton rover]

How many university students have wives, husbands and children?
I know some do - I did myself, but it must be a tiny, tiny fraction.

When it comes to post grads,masters and phds a great number do.
It's also where the higher numbers of overseas students are. So it's not a valid point you are making.

It is a valid point, but I don’t expect you to accept it.

I don't know how many it is, but whether the number is large or small, this is a horrible policy because it sends out a prickly, unpleasant message to the entire foreign student market.

There are many countries, from Germany through Canada to Australia who are shaping up to take on the UK in that market. Why would you send this sort of message out about the way in which the UK thinks about foreign students.

Then, whether the number is big or small, there are strong, valid criticisms to be made of Sunak's trumpeting of the policy.

If the number is big, this will materially hurt the FE sector, or lead to foreign students having to split from their families to come here (and remembering that experience of Britain when they go home and move up through their societal and business ranks).

If the number is small and won't materially affect the FE sector, it also won't materially affect "immigration" (sic) numbers. So what the f**k is the PM of the UK doing making his first public message of the Election year one which is about an insignificant policy which he claims is showing that "In 2024, we’re already delivering for the British people"?

There's no other way of looking at this. It either wilfully hurts the FE sector to satisfy bigots, or he's lying to satisfy bigots.

You said it was about wives and husbands and kids, rather than parents, which I don’t agree with.
I do agree that it is a pointless exercise that will please some bigots.

[DRFC_AjA]

How many university students have wives, husbands and children?
I know some do - I did myself, but it must be a tiny, tiny fraction.

When it comes to post grads,masters and phds a great number do.
It's also where the higher numbers of overseas students are. So it's not a valid point you are making.

It is a valid point, but I don’t expect you to accept it.

I don't know how many it is, but whether the number is large or small, this is a horrible policy because it sends out a prickly, unpleasant message to the entire foreign student market.

There are many countries, from Germany through Canada to Australia who are shaping up to take on the UK in that market. Why would you send this sort of message out about the way in which the UK thinks about foreign students.

Then, whether the number is big or small, there are strong, valid criticisms to be made of Sunak's trumpeting of the policy.

If the number is big, this will materially hurt the FE sector, or lead to foreign students having to split from their families to come here (and remembering that experience of Britain when they go home and move up through their societal and business ranks).

If the number is small and won't materially affect the FE sector, it also won't materially affect "immigration" (sic) numbers. So what the f**k is the PM of the UK doing making his first public message of the Election year one which is about an insignificant policy which he claims is showing that "In 2024, we’re already delivering for the British people"?

There's no other way of looking at this. It either wilfully hurts the FE sector to satisfy bigots, or he's lying to satisfy bigots.

The nasty man back at calling anyone who doesn't agree with him a bigot. You're as bad as the picture of a "bigot" you paint. Replace the image of an old man counting his coppers in an old pub saying "them foreigners " are to blame for everything with old bitter man saying "bigot, racist" to anyone with a different opinion. But sadly name calling and nastiness is socially acceptable for the left but denounced quickly for anyone who isn't

[BillyStubbsTears]

Nearly at the last dregs now and look how it's turning out.

It's the Rwanda vote tonight. Poundland fascists like Anderson and Cates are threatening rebellion.

To buy them off, the rumour going round Westminster right now is that the Govt is looking at changing the civil service code of practice.

Specifically, what they are talking about is making it a disciplinary offence if the European Court of Human Rights rules that Rwanda deportations are illegal, and civil servants refuse to follow orders from a minister.

That would be a civil servant being ordered to do something which a court that has jurisdiction in the UK had ruled illegal, under threat of being sacked.

Count the hours down till these Kitsons are hoyed out.

[Filo]

Nick Fletcher, a rebel yesterday, but faced with the prospect of an early election a non rebel today, happy to go against his “principles” for a few more months on the gravy train, same goes for that t**t Lee Anderson, all bark but no f**king bite

[BillyStubbsTears]

Good outcome for the country.

Not the vote passing. That legislation is horrific and will never remotely sort out the problem.

The good point is that it's shown the far right Tory MPs are all piss and wind. It might just give a way forward to the Tory party coming back from the insane near-Facism that the gobshites have called for, but clearly haven't got the courage to vote for.

[MachoMadness]

So Lee Anderson resigns to vote against the bill. Then votes for it. Alright then.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Once a thick Kitson...

We all know a Lee. Every Miners' Welfare had one. Gob the size of the hole in our defence, an ego even bigger, and a brain the size of a pea.

[Filo]

So Lee Anderson resigns to vote against the bill. Then votes for it. Alright then.

Not the sharpest tool in the box is he

[BillyStubbsTears]

Here's what does my head in about the Rwanda plan.

Forget the morality.

Forget the fact that our Government has passed a Lawton say that Rwanda is officially "safe" while the Supreme Court says it definitely isn't, and we accept and uphold asylum requests from Rwandans who say they've been persecuted at home.

Forget the cost even.  What's £460m to these t**ts in power.

It simply won't work anyway.

At most, maybe 1:50 or 1:100 channel crossers will be sent there.

And that is supposed to be a deterrent. To people who have already been prepared to risk their lives crossing the Channel at night on overcrowded dinghies.

It's all for show. Red meat to slavering supporters who are too f**king thick to realise they are being played.

[BillyStubbsTears]

So Lee Anderson resigns to vote against the bill. Then votes for it. Alright then.

Not the sharpest tool in the box is he

You ever see that video of him "canvassing" before the Election? f**k me sideways.

[Filo]

So Lee Anderson resigns to vote against the bill. Then votes for it. Alright then.

Not the sharpest tool in the box is he

You ever see that video of him "canvassing" before the Election? f**k me sideways.

The one where he phones his mate to act like he don’t know him with his TV mic still on?

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

But, like  BST said before it does give the conservatives a narrative that they're doing something and the courts are wrong in not allowing it.  Come an election the question will be posed of the other parties and their policies are unclear.

So they have that.  But then in reality do most people care? Probably not.