When a Government...

[Ldr]

Surely not

[Mike_F]

Warrington isn't all that far from Iceland's head office in Deeside. Quite plausible that Phil is a senior manager there and his mortgage has gone up considerably. Not that I condone the rather leading connotations of "an Iceland worker" to make the point.

[normal rules]

Bookmark this.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-68133873

Next time you hear a Tory trot out that "we are on the side of the working man against the Elite" line, read this and remind yourself.

Tory Minister resigns a £118k job because he can't make ends meet.

f**k.

Me.

Rachael Reeves has been moaning her 86 grand salary isn’t enough either as she has “bills”
To pay. Her other half must be on a fair whack too given he is a very senior civil servant . Interesting to see she won’t be re instating bankers bonus caps if/ when labour get in power . Wonder where her friends work ? This was months after she slated bonuses.

[SydneyRover]

Will all those that voted to allow johnson to become PM in 2019 please leave the room.

[Bentley Bullet]

https://youtu.be/PobjaQ3rShs?si=uB2HES4yMESUxhQP&t=57

[SydneyRover]

Are you agreeing that a horse would have been a better choice that johnson?

[tyke1962]

Will all those that voted to allow johnson to become PM in 2019 please leave the room.

Would that include the present Labour leader and half his party ?

[SydneyRover]

Will all those that voted to allow johnson to become PM in 2019 please leave the room.

Would that include the present Labour leader and half his party ?

Folks, we have a yes from the barnsley echo

[Bentley Bullet]

Are you agreeing that a horse would have been a better choice that johnson?

Neigh

[tyke1962]

Will all those that voted to allow johnson to become PM in 2019 please leave the room.

Would that include the present Labour leader and half his party ?

Folks, we have a yes from the barnsley echo

No need to lash out because you don't like the facts Syd .

https://youtu.be/O_xKSRK0tgM?si=Qkxqgu9VC_BRkBOm

Make Brexit Better

Vote Labour

 

[scawsby steve]

Are you agreeing that a horse would have been a better choice that johnson?

Well it looks like Keith has got the nosebag on, ready and raring to go.

I think he'll turn out to be more of a carthorse type than a Red Rum type, though.

[drfchound]

Bookmark this.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-68133873

Next time you hear a Tory trot out that "we are on the side of the working man against the Elite" line, read this and remind yourself.

Tory Minister resigns a £118k job because he can't make ends meet.

f**k.

Me.

Rachael Reeves has been moaning her 86 grand salary isn’t enough either as she has “bills”
To pay. Her other half must be on a fair whack too given he is a very senior civil servant . Interesting to see she won’t be re instating bankers bonus caps if/ when labour get in power . Wonder where her friends work ? This was months after she slated bonuses.

Surely not another u turn.
As for helping her mates, #allthesame.

[SydneyRover]

Will all those that voted to allow johnson to become PM in 2019 please leave the room.

Would that include the present Labour leader and half his party ?

Folks, we have a yes from the barnsley echo

No need to lash out because you don't like the facts Syd .

https://youtu.be/O_xKSRK0tgM?si=Qkxqgu9VC_BRkBOm

Make Brexit Better

Vote Labour

 

Don't you feel a bit stupid tyke (no answer required) you bang on and on about Corbyn and what was done to him and yet you turned your back on him and voted for a liar, someone quite willing to conspire to have someone assaulted, a racist whom hates the working class and has form on the board for being totally incompetent that looks after only himself?

In your own time of course.

[drfchound]

Syd, plenty of Labour voters turned their back on Corbyn, although some only did that after the election.
In fact I read on this very forum that they knew Corbyn would never have won and yet told us beforehand that they would support him.
Afterwards he was slated.
Two faced or what?

[tyke1962]

Will all those that voted to allow johnson to become PM in 2019 please leave the room.

Would that include the present Labour leader and half his party ?

Folks, we have a yes from the barnsley echo

No need to lash out because you don't like the facts Syd .

https://youtu.be/O_xKSRK0tgM?si=Qkxqgu9VC_BRkBOm

Make Brexit Better

Vote Labour

 

Don't you feel a bit stupid tyke (no answer required) you bang on and on about Corbyn and what was done to him and yet you turned your back on him and voted for a liar, someone quite willing to conspire to have someone assaulted, a racist whom hates the working class and has form on the board for being totally incompetent that looks after only himself?

In your own time of course.

Well your nearly as big a liar as Johnson is , your just as willing to manipulate a debate to suit your narrative as Johnson whilst showing complete ignorance on political history bordering on incompetent .

Throw in your party's fascination with market led economics , the fact  your leader has attended more DAVOS summits than he's ever stood on picket lines , throw in privatisation of the NHS and a liking for cheap immigrant labour one has to wonder who are Today's Tories .

For the last time , the left where I'm from were against the Common Market - EEC - EU even before Boris Johnson wore a silly hat and carried a hockey stick to school .

You may as well call Arthur Scargill a Tory along with Tony Benn and Peter Shore .

Want Tory Policies

Vote Labour


 

[SydneyRover]

Will all those that voted to allow johnson to become PM in 2019 please leave the room.

Would that include the present Labour leader and half his party ?

Folks, we have a yes from the barnsley echo

No need to lash out because you don't like the facts Syd .

https://youtu.be/O_xKSRK0tgM?si=Qkxqgu9VC_BRkBOm

Make Brexit Better

Vote Labour

 

Don't you feel a bit stupid tyke (no answer required) you bang on and on about Corbyn and what was done to him and yet you turned your back on him and voted for a liar, someone quite willing to conspire to have someone assaulted, a racist whom hates the working class and has form on the board for being totally incompetent that looks after only himself?

In your own time of course.

Bump, all the rest of your diatribe is just that, suck it up tyke.

[tyke1962]

Will all those that voted to allow johnson to become PM in 2019 please leave the room.

Would that include the present Labour leader and half his party ?

Folks, we have a yes from the barnsley echo

No need to lash out because you don't like the facts Syd .

https://youtu.be/O_xKSRK0tgM?si=Qkxqgu9VC_BRkBOm

Make Brexit Better

Vote Labour

 

Don't you feel a bit stupid tyke (no answer required) you bang on and on about Corbyn and what was done to him and yet you turned your back on him and voted for a liar, someone quite willing to conspire to have someone assaulted, a racist whom hates the working class and has form on the board for being totally incompetent that looks after only himself?

In your own time of course.

Bump, all the rest of your diatribe is just that, suck it up tyke.

Love you too sweetheart .

Make Brexit Work

Vote Keith

 

[SydneyRover]

you're political position is compromised tyke

[DRFC_AjA]

Bookmark this.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-68133873

Next time you hear a Tory trot out that "we are on the side of the working man against the Elite" line, read this and remind yourself.

Tory Minister resigns a £118k job because he can't make ends meet.

f**k.

Me.

Whats a socially acceptable level for you for someone to be able to say they can't afford their mortgage? 100k and a 4 bed house? Downsize to a 3 no? 60k and two cars? Sell one car no? 30k and a 2 bed? Get a flat no?

Who is allowed to say they're struggling with bills? What's your socially acceptable cut off point?  I mean apparently train drivers on 65k are "hard working men of the people who must have a pay rise". Are they allowed to at twice the average wage?

[SydneyRover]

Bookmark this.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-68133873

Next time you hear a Tory trot out that "we are on the side of the working man against the Elite" line, read this and remind yourself.

Tory Minister resigns a £118k job because he can't make ends meet.

f**k.

Me.

Whats a socially acceptable level for you for someone to be able to say they can't afford their mortgage? 100k and a 4 bed house? Downsize to a 3 no? 60k and two cars? Sell one car no? 30k and a 2 bed? Get a flat no?

Who is allowed to say they're struggling with bills? What's your socially acceptable cut off point?  I mean apparently train drivers on 65k are "hard working men of the people who must have a pay rise". Are they allowed to at twice the average wage?

That's hardly even the point, that being that a tory comes out and dumps on his own team for f**king up the economy

[DRFC_AjA]

Bookmark this.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-68133873

Next time you hear a Tory trot out that "we are on the side of the working man against the Elite" line, read this and remind yourself.

Tory Minister resigns a £118k job because he can't make ends meet.

f**k.

Me.

Whats a socially acceptable level for you for someone to be able to say they can't afford their mortgage? 100k and a 4 bed house? Downsize to a 3 no? 60k and two cars? Sell one car no? 30k and a 2 bed? Get a flat no?

Who is allowed to say they're struggling with bills? What's your socially acceptable cut off point?  I mean apparently train drivers on 65k are "hard working men of the people who must have a pay rise". Are they allowed to at twice the average wage?

That's hardly even the point, that being that a tory comes out and dumps on his own team for f**king up the economy

Well its fantastically good to know that not one Labour MP said they couldn't afford their mortgage in the 2008 FC could you imagine 

Whats the cut off salary for someone to be allowed to say they're struggling with bills? 12k a year? You pay no tax get a second job. 90k a year? Sell your BMW

[SydneyRover]

Andrea, yes Rishi ......... I want you to go out ......... into the media and calm the horses, let business know 'we're on their side' you know that we have pulled up trees to make this new raft of impediments to business a smooth painless introduction to more costs, no, forget that last bit, you know want I want Andrea, what the government needs, right? and whatever you do don't mention the NHS.

[drfchound]

Andrea, yes Rishi ......... I want you to go out ......... into the media and calm the horses, let business know 'we're on their side' you know that we have pulled up trees to make this new raft of impediments to business a smooth painless introduction to more costs, no, forget that last bit, you know want I want Andrea, what the government needs, right? and whatever you do don't mention the NHS.

Can you provide a link to that Syd please.
You should be able to provide evidence when you write stuff like that.

[normal rules]

I swear if Jacob Reece mogg switched sides, put on an NCB donkey jacket and a red tie some on here would still vote labour.
Wake up folks.
Labour is same shit under a different banner .

[SydneyRover]

I swear if Jacob Reece mogg switched sides, put on an NCB donkey jacket and a red tie some on here would still vote labour.
Wake up folks.
Labour is same shit under a different banner .

How many times have you voted labour or left of centre come to that nr? I would have thought you'd be over the moon as most of the stuff you pedal is from the far right, no?

[BillyStubbsTears]

I swear if Jacob Reece mogg switched sides, put on an NCB donkey jacket and a red tie some on here would still vote labour.
Wake up folks.
Labour is same shit under a different banner .

Stupid comment. Because it would never, ever happen.

If Rees-Mogg, supporting the policies that he supports,  was embraced by Labour, it means the Labour party would no longer exist in anything like the form that it does at the moment. It would be a far right party.

If that happened, not 1 in 20 current Labour supporters would vote Labour. Because no matter what they were called, they would be a far right party, not a centre left one.

This sort of idle comment is exactly the same as saying if Donny Rovers were bought out by the Rotherham chairman, moved to Rotherham, changed their badge to a windmill and said Ronnie Moore was a club hero, Donny fans would still buy season tickets.

If you don't think they would, why do you think current Labour supporters would vote for a far-right party that called themselves Labour?

[BillyStubbsTears]

Look at it the other way round.

If Jeremy Corbyn announced he was a Tory and joined the Tory party and was enthusiastically embraced by the Tory party, while still holding his views on the economy, and foreign affairs, do you think Tory voters would say "Yep, that's still my party?" It's too stupid a question to even consider.

[normal rules]

Do you honestly think any MP who changed their political allegiance would show their true colours? You might want to read up on Viscount Rothermere or David Hacking.they don’t become socialists overnight . My point is that the labour party of 2024 bears no resemblance to the Labour Party that most on the left on here subscribe to. That’s why they have only enjoyed 30 years in power out of the last 120. A stark statistic. Long stretches of opposition . A party of protest . Only when they appeal To the centre ground and share values with the centre tories do they succeed. The Labour Party, to me, have become more like an NGO or protest group than a political Party. But you keep voting for them. Like your dad did and your grandad before. Because that makes it right doesn’t it ?

[ncRover]

Because socialism has no relevance in the 21st century. So it’s perfectly reasonable for the Labour Party to have evolved over time.

If Labour split in 2, the leftist party would get nowhere near winning an election. They would be at Lib Dem levels, winning seats in only parts of London and Bristol.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Do you honestly think any MP who changed their political allegiance would show their true colours? You might want to read up on Viscount Rothermere or David Hacking.they don’t become socialists overnight . My point is that the labour party of 2024 bears no resemblance to the Labour Party that most on the left on here subscribe to. That’s why they have only enjoyed 30 years in power out of the last 120. A stark statistic. Long stretches of opposition . A party of protest . Only when they appeal To the centre ground and share values with the centre tories do they succeed. The Labour Party, to me, have become more like an NGO or protest group than a political Party. But you keep voting for them. Like your dad did and your grandad before. Because that makes it right doesn’t it ?

Really not sure where to start with that.

Your central premise appears to be that Labour has historically not been the natural party of Government because it is seen as being not left wing enough.

Is that what you are saying?