When a Government...

[SydneyRover]

Anderson rebuts braverman and says he doesn't believe the Muslims control the country but they have control of Khan and London and Starmer.

Starmer doesn't control London. Those that believe it must be really dim.

It is offensive.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/feb/24/lee-anderson-stripped-of-tory-whip-over-sadiq-khan-comment

[BillyStubbsTears]

  He didn't single out just Khan, he included Starmer in is quote, but it has been edited out for you to feed off.
  It was not racial as he included a white toff with the same ideals. you just gobbled an edited version of his full statement to further some ones  agenda.

Is that the line being peddled for gullible racists this morning, or did you come up with it yourself.

Either way, how does that square with the racist Anderson saying,

"He (Khan) has given London away to his mates (radical Islamists)."

It's the sort of lazy, ignorant racist shit that a racist shit like Anderson would trot out to his racist shit mates without anyone batting an eyelid.

It's easy for a serious politician to call it out as racist shit. I wonder why Sunak steadfastly refuses to do so.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Still. I suppose we shouldn't be surprised at this sort of racist shit against Khan from senior Tories.

Zac Goldsmith got a peerage after this disgusting slander.

[drfchound]

Sunak has spoken out according to the lunchtime news.

[ravenrover]

Yes and the mantra is "he was wrong" Wrong is the key word that all the Govt interviewees are using, not racist.
And he is now suspended for using the WRONG words not as per the weekend for refusing to apologise

[Ldr]

Again weasel words from government though technically it’s not racist it’s defamation

[BillyStubbsTears]

Again weasel words from government though technically it’s not racist it’s defamation

I don't see how it can be seen as anything other than racist.

There is absolutely zero evidence that Khan has any sympathy for radical Islamists. Anderson is doing what Goldsmith did in 2016. Racist dog whistling making the connection based on ethnicity and religious background.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Meanwhile, still no word from the Tory party on disciplinary action against Truss.

If they won't discipline her for standing at the side of a far right rabble rousers while he called a racist thug a "hero"...

If they won't discipline here for the stupidity of saying a Jihadi party will get into Parliament...

You'd thing they'd have a slam dunk case to discipline here for publicly calling for another party to interfere with the Tory party.

Because that's what she did last week. The woman who was UK PM 15 months back asked Steve Bannon live on TV "Would you work with Nigel Farage to restructure the Tory party?"

[Ldr]

Again weasel words from government though technically it’s not racist it’s defamation

I don't see how it can be seen as anything other than racist.

There is absolutely zero evidence that Khan has any sympathy for radical Islamists. Anderson is doing what Goldsmith did in 2016. Racist dog whistling making the connection based on ethnicity and religious background.

It’s semantics BST that’s all, racist is defined as showing prejudice, discrimination or antagonism against someone based on their race which has not happened here. He has accused him of something (likely to be untrue) so defamation / slander

Imho

[BillyStubbsTears]

Ldr.

I think the context here makes it very important to get this right.

Anderson, and others, are pouring petrol on societal flames here. They are encouraging and normalising racist views (Muslim=Bad).

If you want to stick to the semantics, ok. Anderson's logic clearly and unambiguously displays prejudice by implying that Khan supports Islamist radicals with no evidence whatsoever, other than the fact that he shares their ethnicity and religious background.

[ravenrover]

And it would seem he has sympathy and support withing the Party based on whatsapp messages as per the Beeb

[Herbert Anchovy]

I know people who are Muslim. Most are really nice folks, one or two are a bit of a pain in the arse.

I know people who are Christian. Most are really nice folks, one or two are a bit of a pain in the arse.

I know people who are Atheist. Most are really nice folks, one or two are a bit of a pain in the arse.

I know people who are British. Most are really nice folks, one or two are a bit of a pain in the arse.

I know people who are from Europe. Most are really nice folks, one or two are a bit of a pain in the arse.

I know people who are Tories. Most are really nice folks, one or two are a bit of a pain in the arse.

I know people who are Labour. Most are really nice folks, one or two are a bit of a pain in the arse.

etc...etc...

Anyone notice a pattern?

[Ldr]

Ldr.

I think the context here makes it very important to get this right.

Anderson, and others, are pouring petrol on societal flames here. They are encouraging and normalising racist views (Muslim=Bad).

If you want to stick to the semantics, ok. Anderson's logic clearly and unambiguously displays prejudice by implying that Khan supports Islamist radicals with no evidence whatsoever, other than the fact that he shares their ethnicity and religious background.

I think we are in broad agreement tbh Billy, just a pet hate that words get thrown around so easily these day they lose impact (racist, genocide etc)

[BillyStubbsTears]

Why can they not just come out and call this what it was?

https://twitter.com/HenryRiley1/status/1762398741334516083

https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1762124574928302428

Or if they don't think Anderson's diatribe was Islamophobic, explain what about it WAS wrong.

They can't of course, because they are trying to appeal to both decent, reasonable Tories, and the racists that they fear losing to Reform.

And THAT is the hole you get into when you indulge racism.

[Sprotyrover]

Anderson alleges Khan has lost control of London based on what I have seen he has, the Police have also failed to do something about anti Jewish demonstrations on mass, I m sure if Tommy Robinson turned up outside a London Mosque with a hand full of his ‘mates’ we would see a different response from both Khan and the Police!

[Bentley Bullet]

No one indulges in racism in the form of accusations more than Labour and its supporters. It is the first "go-to" route in a desperate act of promoting a Labour party that has absolutely nothing good to say about itself.

[SydneyRover]

Go-to or no-go bb

''Tory MP Paul Scully claims there are ‘no-go’ areas in Birmingham and London
Ex-London minister’s comments about areas with large Muslim populations – for which he apologised – described as ‘utter drivel’

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2024/feb/26/tory-mp-paul-scully-claims-there-are-no-go-areas-in-birmingham-and-london

At least he had the sense to apologise, but his train of thought?

[ravenrover]

As I said earlier the mantra is "what he said was wrong" but none of them are saying why it was wrong. I see Nick Ferrari cut short an interview with one of the immigration ministers after asking him 6 times why it was wrong, the.minister couldn't or wouldn't say why just kept repeating "it was wrong"

[Pancho Regan]

I know people who are Muslim. Most are really nice folks, one or two are a bit of a pain in the arse.

I know people who are Christian. Most are really nice folks, one or two are a bit of a pain in the arse.

I know people who are Atheist. Most are really nice folks, one or two are a bit of a pain in the arse.

I know people who are British. Most are really nice folks, one or two are a bit of a pain in the arse.

I know people who are from Europe. Most are really nice folks, one or two are a bit of a pain in the arse.

I know people who are Tories. Most are really nice folks, one or two are a bit of a pain in the arse.

I know people who are Labour. Most are really nice folks, one or two are a bit of a pain in the arse.

etc...etc...

Anyone notice a pattern?

I think I'm getting the drift here HA, can I have a go?

I know people who are Leeds United fans. One or two of them are really nice folks, but most of them are a bit of a pain in the arse.

[Herbert Anchovy]

I know people who are Muslim. Most are really nice folks, one or two are a bit of a pain in the arse.

I know people who are Christian. Most are really nice folks, one or two are a bit of a pain in the arse.

I know people who are Atheist. Most are really nice folks, one or two are a bit of a pain in the arse.

I know people who are British. Most are really nice folks, one or two are a bit of a pain in the arse.

I know people who are from Europe. Most are really nice folks, one or two are a bit of a pain in the arse.

I know people who are Tories. Most are really nice folks, one or two are a bit of a pain in the arse.

I know people who are Labour. Most are really nice folks, one or two are a bit of a pain in the arse.

etc...etc...

Anyone notice a pattern?

I think I'm getting the drift here HA, can I have a go?

I know people who are Leeds United fans. One or two of them are really nice folks, but most of them are a bit of a pain in the arse.

You're bang on the money with this one Pancho. I'm amazed that you know a couple who are nice folks though!

[Pancho Regan]

I know people who are Muslim. Most are really nice folks, one or two are a bit of a pain in the arse.

I know people who are Christian. Most are really nice folks, one or two are a bit of a pain in the arse.

I know people who are Atheist. Most are really nice folks, one or two are a bit of a pain in the arse.

I know people who are British. Most are really nice folks, one or two are a bit of a pain in the arse.

I know people who are from Europe. Most are really nice folks, one or two are a bit of a pain in the arse.

I know people who are Tories. Most are really nice folks, one or two are a bit of a pain in the arse.

I know people who are Labour. Most are really nice folks, one or two are a bit of a pain in the arse.

etc...etc...

Anyone notice a pattern?

I think I'm getting the drift here HA, can I have a go?

I know people who are Leeds United fans. One or two of them are really nice folks, but most of them are a bit of a pain in the arse.

You're bang on the money with this one Pancho. I'm amazed that you know a couple who are nice folks though!

I typed that through gritted teeth Herbert, I didn't want to spoil your format!

[Herbert Anchovy]

Go-to or no-go bb

''Tory MP Paul Scully claims there are ‘no-go’ areas in Birmingham and London
Ex-London minister’s comments about areas with large Muslim populations – for which he apologised – described as ‘utter drivel’

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2024/feb/26/tory-mp-paul-scully-claims-there-are-no-go-areas-in-birmingham-and-london

At least he had the sense to apologise, but his train of thought?

From my experience, there are absolutely no 'No-Go' areas in London whatsoever. There are some areas that I'd rather not be at midnight on a Saturday night, just as I really wouldn't have wanted to be in Rossington village at midnight on a Saturday night in the early 80's. The biggest risk then and now was bumping into a group of pissed people and not bumping into a group of religious people.

[SydneyRover]

Are the areas muslim, christian or hindu or other HA, if not you have totally missed the point.

[ravenrover]

I doubt not being in those areas as HA says has anything to do with any one particular religeon

[BillyStubbsTears]

You know I've been saying for years that this Govt has absolutely zero to offer but Culture War and they will go all out to stir it up?

You know how it always sounds like I'm exaggerating for effect...until you look at what they are actually doing?

Get this one. Sunak today has used these words in a meeting with senior police leaders.

"There is a growing consensus that mob rule is replacing democratic rule...I am going to do whatever it requires to protect our democracy and our values that we all hold dear."

Christ. What have we become? Haiti? Zimbabwe? Barnsley?

Funny thing is, I've been to Manchester and back with work today. The trains ran. Someone got up to offer their seat to an old woman. There weren't many gangs of anti-democratic rioters running up Oxford Road and Deansgate. But apparently the Mob is going to destroy our democracy.

Do you reckon they think no-one in the country ever goes out?

[SydneyRover]

I guess it's more what the tories are saying themselves ........

''We’ve surveyed Conservative members, and it’s clear that the radical right is winning the battle for the party’s soul

Nick Lowles is chief executive of Hope Not Hate'  (who can forget this organisation aye?)

More than half of Tory members in poll say Islam a threat to British way of life''

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/feb/28/tories-islamophobic-conservative-party-members-hope-not-hate

[tyke1962]

You know I've been saying for years that this Govt has absolutely zero to offer but Culture War and they will go all out to stir it up?

You know how it always sounds like I'm exaggerating for effect...until you look at what they are actually doing?

Get this one. Sunak today has used these words in a meeting with senior police leaders.

"There is a growing consensus that mob rule is replacing democratic rule...I am going to do whatever it requires to protect our democracy and our values that we all hold dear."

Christ. What have we become? Haiti? Zimbabwe? Barnsley?

Funny thing is, I've been to Manchester and back with work today. The trains ran. Someone got up to offer their seat to an old woman. There weren't many gangs of anti-democratic rioters running up Oxford Road and Deansgate. But apparently the Mob is going to destroy our democracy.

Do you reckon they think no-one in the country ever goes out?

Harriet Harman gets out a bit .

https://x.com/GMB/status/1762742521740894448?s=20

[SydneyRover]

Tyke, you and hound are like peas in a pod, you either really don't understand or you expect others to accept your idiotic interpretations

[drfchound]

I’m sure I have read on here that the UK was being likened to 1930’s Germany because of this government.

[Pancho Regan]

You know I've been saying for years that this Govt has absolutely zero to offer but Culture War and they will go all out to stir it up?

You know how it always sounds like I'm exaggerating for effect...until you look at what they are actually doing?

Get this one. Sunak today has used these words in a meeting with senior police leaders.

"There is a growing consensus that mob rule is replacing democratic rule...I am going to do whatever it requires to protect our democracy and our values that we all hold dear."

Christ. What have we become? Haiti? Zimbabwe? Barnsley?

Funny thing is, I've been to Manchester and back with work today. The trains ran. Someone got up to offer their seat to an old woman. There weren't many gangs of anti-democratic rioters running up Oxford Road and Deansgate. But apparently the Mob is going to destroy our democracy.

Do you reckon they think no-one in the country ever goes out?

Harriet Harman gets out a bit .

https://x.com/GMB/status/1762742521740894448?s=20

Wise words there from Harriet Harman in my opinion.