Braverman offically a liar

[wilts rover]

I notice that claims by the actual Home Secretary in the Heil on Sunday about the ethnicity of grooming have officailly been stated as false today and the paper ordered to print an apology and correction.

Not that you would know it by the lack of coverage in the press and tv, especially the Heil themselves. Seems like a Tory politician being outed as a liar isn't news anymore.

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/suella-braverman-child-grooming-gangs-153512587.html

[selby]

What's that make Starmer and the Labour party then?

[SydneyRover]

Government-in-waiting I guess

[SydneyRover]

''UK households face tax rise of £3,500 a year by next election, finds IFS
Thinktank says Tories have overseen the biggest increase in taxes during a parliament since records began in 1951''

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/sep/29/uk-households-face-tax-rise-of-3500-a-year-by-next-election-finds-ifs

Got your tickets to the conference yet?

[drfchound]

This thread soon went away from the OP then.
Jeeeez.

[ncRover]

''UK households face tax rise of £3,500 a year by next election, finds IFS
Thinktank says Tories have overseen the biggest increase in taxes during a parliament since records began in 1951''

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/sep/29/uk-households-face-tax-rise-of-3500-a-year-by-next-election-finds-ifs

Got your tickets to the conference yet?

all you ever want is more gov spending why are you moaning about taxes?

let me guess you wanted more gov support on covid, bills and mortgages? longer lockdowns too

[SydneyRover]

I posted something about the government you are so defensive about, yet you still want to talk about me, is it some sort of fetish nc?

[BillyStubbsTears]

''UK households face tax rise of £3,500 a year by next election, finds IFS
Thinktank says Tories have overseen the biggest increase in taxes during a parliament since records began in 1951''

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/sep/29/uk-households-face-tax-rise-of-3500-a-year-by-next-election-finds-ifs

Got your tickets to the conference yet?

all you ever want is more gov spending why are you moaning about taxes?

let me guess you wanted more gov support on covid, bills and mortgages? longer lockdowns too

I don't know anyone who wanted longer lockdowns.

What some of us wanted was a Government that realised that by putting off lockdowns, you made them longer once the inevitable happened. They could just about be forgiven for getting that wrong in March 2020. Getting it wrong in Autumn 2020 was utterly unforgivable, and led to tens of thousands of avoidable deaths and a far, far longer and more costly lockdown when it did happen.

That mistake must never, ever be forgotten. Nor should the Tory politicians who made that mistake.

[selby]

h well, that is how to ignore good news, guess you are old fashioned and still watch BBC news lads, and have caught the morbid bug.
 I seem to remember you enjoying talking about jobs going to Frankfurt and Paris in the Banking industry, funny that.
 Have a nice sad day, it seems it's what turns you on.

[wilts rover]

h well, that is how to ignore good news, guess you are old fashioned and still watch BBC news lads, and have caught the morbid bug.
 I seem to remember you enjoying talking about jobs going to Frankfurt and Paris in the Banking industry, funny that.
 Have a nice sad day, it seems it's what turns you on.

GB News full of good news shock? Just goes to prove you dont watch it then - they whine and whinge just as much as you do.

Some light reading for you btw:
https://internationalbanker.com/banking/will-london-have-to-send-more-banking-jobs-to-the-eu/

[Bristol Red Rover]

''UK households face tax rise of £3,500 a year by next election, finds IFS
Thinktank says Tories have overseen the biggest increase in taxes during a parliament since records began in 1951''

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/sep/29/uk-households-face-tax-rise-of-3500-a-year-by-next-election-finds-ifs

Got your tickets to the conference yet?

all you ever want is more gov spending why are you moaning about taxes?

let me guess you wanted more gov support on covid, bills and mortgages? longer lockdowns too

The issue isn't taxes per se as is obvious, it's who is taxed, how they're taxed, the penalties on those tax avoiding, and then also about who the government gives that money to.

[wilts rover]

''UK households face tax rise of £3,500 a year by next election, finds IFS
Thinktank says Tories have overseen the biggest increase in taxes during a parliament since records began in 1951''

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/sep/29/uk-households-face-tax-rise-of-3500-a-year-by-next-election-finds-ifs

Got your tickets to the conference yet?

all you ever want is more gov spending why are you moaning about taxes?

let me guess you wanted more gov support on covid, bills and mortgages? longer lockdowns too

The issue isn't taxes per se as is obvious, it's who is taxed, how they're taxed, the penalties on those tax avoiding, and then also about who the government gives that money to.

The general public, working people, currently have their highest tax burden since the war.

The richest 10%, including city bankers and financiers, currently have their lowest tax burden since the war.

Vote Tory.

[Not Now Kato]

This is well worth 30 minutes of your time.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6zjMEh6jnE
 
The woman is vile, dangerous and a stain on the human race!

[BillyStubbsTears]

This is well worth 30 minutes of your time.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6zjMEh6jnE
 
The woman is vile, dangerous and a stain on the human race!

Anyone still insisting that both sides are the same. Have a word with yourself and ask if you REALLY are going to be happy voting in a way that keeps this piece of nastiness at the top of Govt.

[danumdon]

This is well worth 30 minutes of your time.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6zjMEh6jnE
 
The woman is vile, dangerous and a stain on the human race!

Where do we end us as a country if jurors acquit with their conscience instead of the facts?

Is that not the slippery slope that the video talks about?

[wilts rover]

This is well worth 30 minutes of your time.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6zjMEh6jnE
 
The woman is vile, dangerous and a stain on the human race!

Where do we end us as a country if jurors acquit with their conscience instead of the facts?

Is that not the slippery slope that the video talks about?

In a better place than we would be when politicians, police and judges condem and imprison people due to their prejudices rather than the facts. As far too many recent cases have shown.

[danumdon]

This is well worth 30 minutes of your time.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6zjMEh6jnE
 
The woman is vile, dangerous and a stain on the human race!

Where do we end us as a country if jurors acquit with their conscience instead of the facts?

Is that not the slippery slope that the video talks about?

In a better place than we would be when politicians, police and judges condem and imprison people due to their prejudices rather than the facts. As far too many recent cases have shown.

Is that not what i've just posted? surely facts have to be the one and only arbiter for a juror to consider, personal feelings have nothing to do with common law and lead to exactly what you have just described.

[Bristol Red Rover]

This is well worth 30 minutes of your time.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6zjMEh6jnE
 
The woman is vile, dangerous and a stain on the human race!

Anyone still insisting that both sides are the same. Have a word with yourself and ask if you REALLY are going to be happy voting in a way that keeps this piece of nastiness at the top of Govt.

Likewise anyone who'd vote for a puppet like Starmer, someone who amongst all his flagrant corrupt absurdities labels Pink Floyd's The Wall as antisemitic. Also as a "lawyer" claiming being anti Israel is antisemitic, and weaponising that. He's an out and out racist.

Which choice would I make between Tories and Lab - neither.

[SydneyRover]

Many have accused Roger Waters actions, wardrobe and sets as anti-semitic, has he sued at all ?

[Bristol Red Rover]

There you go, that's the voice of a Starmerite 

[SydneyRover]

Start a fresh topic on the subject and put up your eveidence

[drfchound]

There already is a thread on the subject Syd.

[Bristol Red Rover]

Start a fresh topic on the subject and put up your eveidence

Are you really that thick? If not, what is your motivation here on this issue? I gave the facts, google it.

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It is on topic. Braverman is awful, no doubt, she is sick and needs help. BST argued that she is an example of why people should vote Labour, coz "you're either for 'em or against 'em". My point is that they're both sick, neither should be voted for. It's evidence that government is so corrupt, Braverman is just one face of that, and at the same time people are using her sickness to justify voting for, and so effectively approving of, other sickness. Nah.

[SydneyRover]

Start a fresh topic on the subject and put up your eveidence

Are you really that thick? If not, what is your motivation here on this issue? I gave the facts, google it.

Don't try and big yourself up you have zero credibility, go to bed

[BillyStubbsTears]

Count the days down.

About 365 till this disgusting Poundland fascist gets booted out.

https://www.ft.com/content/ccf9c260-a98a-4b89-b604-4fa19a9f6a7c

[mugnapper]

Lovely woman. A fine example of a ‘Caring Conservative’.
Make people homeless with your policies then wait till Winter to take their tents off them, appealing only to your dwindling core of support.
https://news.sky.com/story/suella-braverman-wants-to-restrict-use-of-tents-by-homeless-people-according-to-report-12999971

[bpoolrover]

Lovely woman. A fine example of a ‘Caring Conservative’.
Make people homeless with your policies then wait till Winter to take their tents off them, appealing only to your dwindling core of support.
https://news.sky.com/story/suella-braverman-wants-to-restrict-use-of-tents-by-homeless-people-according-to-report-12999971

did she not say remove the tents if in shop doorways? If it was your business and someome had a tent in your shop doorway would you want it removed? Maybe you could invite them on your doorstep instead or your work place

[MachoMadness]

She describes being homeless as a "lifestyle choice". A fundamentally evil person, in a just world she'd meet the same end as Mussolini.

[BillyStubbsTears]

I don't think many UK politicians are genuinely evil, but this woman...she is by far the nastiest, most disgusting senior UK politician of my lifetime.

She KNOWS this is what the golf club bigots who make up the Tory party membership wants to hear. She's pissing on the very weakest and most vulnerable in society to position herself for a leadership bid in what's left of the Tory party after next year's car crash election.

Absolutely reprehensible. The only saving grace is that the British people are far too humane and principled ever to elect a party run by a ghoul like her.

[Glyn_Wigley]

She describes being homeless as a &quot;lifestyle choice&quot;. A fundamentally evil person, in a just world she'd meet the same end as Mussolini.

Sleeping in a muddy puddle is a lifestyle choice because you didn't choose to sleep in a clean one!