Braverman offically a liar

[BillyStubbsTears]

Bpool.

Once again, 1999-2010 and 2020-21 show that it CAN  be greatly reduced if politicians are prepared to prioritise it.

it cam be reduced in the short term yes it needs to be done long term and not just in made up stats and in your preferred newspaper

It WAS done 25 years ago. The number of rough sleepers was reduced by 75% from 1999 to 2003. Then it stayed low until the Tories took over and stopped the programme that had done that.

It's not my job to design those programmes. But far smarter people than me did that. And it worked.

Why are you so insistent this didn't and can't happen?

[SydneyRover]

No prizes for guessing that one Billy, but a possible nobel if you can fix it.

[MachoMadness]

I think it's interesting she says being homeless is a "lifestyle choice" and stokes up hatred against homeless people so close to remembrance Sunday, given how many ex-squaddies end up on the streets. Worth remembering what she actually thinks of many of our veterans when she and those like her are parading around in their poppy.

[Sprotyrover]

You cant end rough sleeping unless you forcibly take herion uses off the street, you camt house herion uses unless they agree to rehab so what do you propose?

Bpool

You can reduce it to the baseline of very difficult cases.

We KNOW that can be done, because the Blair Govt did it 20 years ago. There's no argument about whether it can be done. The question is, does a Govt WANT to do it?

Did some work with the homeless shelter on Union Street back then, 5pm the rough sleepers would head to the back of the Market toilets where a charity gave them A stew Bread roll and cuppa, they would then get across to Union street and get a bed and shower 8 am they would get tea and toast and emerge to shoplift and commit petty crime all day to fund their Drug habit then it was back to the Soup Kitchen at 5pm!

[roverstillidie91]

What's that make Starmer and the Labour party then?

Liars and a fascist party

[Not Now Kato]

She describes being homeless as a "lifestyle choice". A fundamentally evil person, in a just world she'd meet the same end as Mussolini.

Sleeping in a muddy puddle is a lifestyle choice because you didn't choose to sleep in a clean one!

while of course it is not a lifestyle choice for yhe majority it is a choice, out of nearly 90 rough sleepers in blackpool all were offered accommodation or rehab and less than 10 percent accepted, there are many reasons for this of course but over half of the street ones begging have a flat and choose to live on the streets for different reasons

Homelessness in such numbers is the consequence of a failed government , homelessness has increased by 73% since 2010 .

Even during Thatcher's hatchet job on the industrial working class did you see our towns and city centres contain so many homeless people .

This is a country that has more foodbanks than we have MacDonald's restaurants .

Does personal responsibility come in to it ? , of course it does and there are always going to be people who can't be reached as there are people who simply don't want to work .

Once you start stripping away the support systems like mental health or drug addiction centres or indeed the NHS itself then that is a political choice you've made .

As I said earlier we've had some grim economic times in my lifetime in this country but you never saw this kind of social deprivation that we see today .

 
https://www.facebook.com/100002563070144/posts/6662982067130496/

[roverstillidie91]

She describes being homeless as a "lifestyle choice". A fundamentally evil person, in a just world she'd meet the same end as Mussolini.

Sleeping in a muddy puddle is a lifestyle choice because you didn't choose to sleep in a clean one!

while of course it is not a lifestyle choice for yhe majority it is a choice, out of nearly 90 rough sleepers in blackpool all were offered accommodation or rehab and less than 10 percent accepted, there are many reasons for this of course but over half of the street ones begging have a flat and choose to live on the streets for different reasons

Homelessness in such numbers is the consequence of a failed government , homelessness has increased by 73% since 2010 .

Even during Thatcher's hatchet job on the industrial working class did you see our towns and city centres contain so many homeless people .

This is a country that has more foodbanks than we have MacDonald's restaurants .

Does personal responsibility come in to it ? , of course it does and there are always going to be people who can't be reached as there are people who simply don't want to work .

Once you start stripping away the support systems like mental health or drug addiction centres or indeed the NHS itself then that is a political choice you've made .

As I said earlier we've had some grim economic times in my lifetime in this country but you never saw this kind of social deprivation that we see today .

 
https://www.facebook.com/100002563070144/posts/6662982067130496/

They target the weakest for their own benefit, and then move up the ladder

[bpoolrover]

Both the tories and labour failed to build anywhere enough social houses,labour have come up with a plan in there last manifesto that in theory is quite a good idea, to build lots of up to date hostels, the problem being it will take years if it ever happens, they tried to build one near where i live and after 6 years of trying they gave up as there were so many objections, so the problem will be where do you build these hostels

[SydneyRover]

You cant end rough sleeping unless you forcibly take herion uses off the street, you camt house herion uses unless they agree to rehab so what do you propose?

Bpool

You can reduce it to the baseline of very difficult cases.

We KNOW that can be done, because the Blair Govt did it 20 years ago. There's no argument about whether it can be done. The question is, does a Govt WANT to do it?

Did some work with the homeless shelter on Union Street back then, 5pm the rough sleepers would head to the back of the Market toilets where a charity gave them A stew Bread roll and cuppa, they would then get across to Union street and get a bed and shower 8 am they would get tea and toast and emerge to shoplift and commit petty crime all day to fund their Drug habit then it was back to the Soup Kitchen at 5pm!

Life of luxury aye? any witnesses other than yourself sprot?

[Glyn_Wigley]

You cant end rough sleeping unless you forcibly take herion uses off the street, you camt house herion uses unless they agree to rehab so what do you propose?

Bpool

You can reduce it to the baseline of very difficult cases.

We KNOW that can be done, because the Blair Govt did it 20 years ago. There's no argument about whether it can be done. The question is, does a Govt WANT to do it?

Did some work with the homeless shelter on Union Street back then, 5pm the rough sleepers would head to the back of the Market toilets where a charity gave them A stew Bread roll and cuppa, they would then get across to Union street and get a bed and shower 8 am they would get tea and toast and emerge to shoplift and commit petty crime all day to fund their Drug habit then it was back to the Soup Kitchen at 5pm!

Life of luxury aye? any witnesses other than yourself sprot?

It sounds like personal experience to me.

[SydneyRover]

I'd like more info from our cub reporter, who were they and what were their circumstances, did they have medical conditions, were they victims of traumatic incidents etc, how many of them were there? did they go around in a group as described? did you follow them all day sprot or is the information second hand?

[BillyStubbsTears]

https://twitter.com/skydavidblevins/status/1722383367788802461

Braverman at it again. Nothing to offer but stirring up anger. THE most dangerous senior politician in my lifetime.


You can agree or disagree with people marching for a ceasefire in Gaza. Calling them "hate marchers" is simply disgusting.

And stirring up Ulster while she does it. This from a politician from a party that clung onto power with support from the DUP not long ago.

[BobG]

At a cost of a billion taxpayer pounds - all for selfish gain.

BobG

[MachoMadness]

She's deliberately trying to get sacked is the rumour. Basically setting up a run for Tory leader which she's nailed on to get, I think. To be honest, the thought of living in a country run by her in 2029 is f**king terrifying.

[BillyStubbsTears]

I swing two ways on Braverman. I see the arguments that she's skilfully setting herself up as the next Tory leader and she knows the Tory membership are ugly, racist bigots, so she has to appeal to them. That's it's a certain amount of performance art to chuck red meat to the snarling membership who need someone to despise.

But then I remember her storming out of Westminster after she'd been eliminated in the MPs' vote for Tory leader last year. She was dripping venom as she brain dumped about how our country was full of idle layabouts who wanted something for nothing.

And I'm wondering if she's actually genuinely unhinged and full of hatred.

You know they say that there are people who most despise in other people what they most fear about their own shortcomings? Braverman constantly villifies people who try to come to this country to better themselves, and people who she insists are full of hate.

We just had one Tory leader who was manifestly mentally unwell. I wonder if they are going to choose another one?

[ravenrover]

Politicos speculating this morning
1 Sunak agrees with her views
2 Sunak scared to sack her because if he does and things do kick off at the weekend then she was right and by sacking her he was wrong.
She deemed it below her to attend Parliament this morning to answer to Yvette Cooper nd sent the Policing Chappie instead.
She is really coming across a vile hatefull person driven to appeal to the far far right in a bid to become the next leader of the Torry party JMHO

[mugnapper]

Just in case you've forgotten, aĺl her troubles in one article
https://news.sky.com/story/suella-braverman-speeding-row-the-latest-in-a-long-line-of-controversies-12886789

I've said it before, lovely woman

[BillyStubbsTears]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67376996

How weak is Sunak?

Braverman submitted text to No 10 to approve. Then ignored them and said what she wanted. And Sunak can't fire her.

[ravenrover]

Or doesn't want to as she is his mouthpiece and he agrees with what she is saying?

[MachoMadness]

He'd sack her tomorrow if he could, but Braverman is influential with the far right of the party and will already be wooing MPs for a future leadership bid. If he fires her it risks civil war.

He should just sack her, of course, but once again internal Tory party drama comes before the good of the country.

[roverstillidie91]

We are being led into a race and culture war

[ravenrover]

I see Cruellas chief henchman leads his followers to China Town, flees in a taxi just before the riot police turned up. How did Mr Robinson know?

[Colin C No.3]

He'd sack her tomorrow if he could, but Braverman is influential with the far right of the party and will already be wooing MPs for a future leadership bid. If he fires her it risks civil war.

He should just sack her, of course, but once again internal Tory party drama comes before the good of the country.

If he’s not sacking her for fear of the ‘right of his party’ that ‘right’ has been ensconced for nearly a decade of this government.

As for her ‘wooing’ the far right, Sunak would be better off distancing himself from that group as this sad bunch of a Tory government lurches towards utter oblivion come the GE.

Braverman can but hope (like her predecessor Pritti Patel) for a comfy seat in the Lords once the dust has settled over this abysmal shambles of a government.

[BillyStubbsTears]

He'd sack her tomorrow if he could, but Braverman is influential with the far right of the party and will already be wooing MPs for a future leadership bid. If he fires her it risks civil war.

He should just sack her, of course, but once again internal Tory party drama comes before the good of the country.

If he’s not sacking her for fear of the ‘right of his party’ that ‘right’ has been ensconced for nearly a decade of this government.

As for her ‘wooing’ the far right, Sunak would be better off distancing himself from that group as this sad bunch of a Tory government lurches towards utter oblivion come the GE.

Braverman can but hope (like her predecessor Pritti Patel) for a comfy seat in the Lords once the dust has settled over this abysmal shambles of a government.

Ooooh no.

Braverman is not aiming for the Lord's

She wants the leadership of the Tory party.

[danumdon]

I swing two ways on Braverman. I see the arguments that she's skilfully setting herself up as the next Tory leader and she knows the Tory membership are ugly, racist bigots, so she has to appeal to them. That's it's a certain amount of performance art to chuck red meat to the snarling membership who need someone to despise.

But then I remember her storming out of Westminster after she'd been eliminated in the MPs' vote for Tory leader last year. She was dripping venom as she brain dumped about how our country was full of idle layabouts who wanted something for nothing.

And I'm wondering if she's actually genuinely unhinged and full of hatred.

You know they say that there are people who most despise in other people what they most fear about their own shortcomings? Braverman constantly villifies people who try to come to this country to better themselves, and people who she insists are full of hate.

We just had one Tory leader who was manifestly mentally unwell. I wonder if they are going to choose another one?

I believe you have the outlined quote the wrong way around.

People who i know that are the children of 1st generation immigrants have very high hopes and aspirations to do well and succeed in their career paths, what they find very difficult to comprehend is others who are simlar and have not fully taken advantage of the massive opportunities that have been afforded to them.

Its like all the effort and sacrifice that others, including parents and close relatives have made to ensure that they made the very best of their chances in a country that would allow them to has been wasted through a lack of application, determination and desire.

This would be something that a born and bred individual would never really be able to fully understand as they would have never had to walk in those footsteps.

We can all agree that she has said and done some very unsavoury things but did you ever think for a moment that someone in her position can see and know the magnitude of the opportunities that some people have missed out on and how frustrating it could be for an individual who has been there and done it?

[GazLaz]

I swing two ways on Braverman. I see the arguments that she's skilfully setting herself up as the next Tory leader and she knows the Tory membership are ugly, racist bigots, so she has to appeal to them. That's it's a certain amount of performance art to chuck red meat to the snarling membership who need someone to despise.

But then I remember her storming out of Westminster after she'd been eliminated in the MPs' vote for Tory leader last year. She was dripping venom as she brain dumped about how our country was full of idle layabouts who wanted something for nothing.

And I'm wondering if she's actually genuinely unhinged and full of hatred.

You know they say that there are people who most despise in other people what they most fear about their own shortcomings? Braverman constantly villifies people who try to come to this country to better themselves, and people who she insists are full of hate.

We just had one Tory leader who was manifestly mentally unwell. I wonder if they are going to choose another one?

I’ve watched a lot of her interviews recently. I’m no body language expert but I can tell she doesn’t  fully believe everything she is spouting. She’s another politician that has started an agenda based on what is probably a core belief and it’s just spiralled out of control and she’s thinks she has to keep running with it. It’s probably dragged her into a place she doesn’t want to be but taking a backward step would be detrimental to her career in her mind.

[ncRover]

I swing two ways on Braverman. I see the arguments that she's skilfully setting herself up as the next Tory leader and she knows the Tory membership are ugly, racist bigots, so she has to appeal to them. That's it's a certain amount of performance art to chuck red meat to the snarling membership who need someone to despise.

But then I remember her storming out of Westminster after she'd been eliminated in the MPs' vote for Tory leader last year. She was dripping venom as she brain dumped about how our country was full of idle layabouts who wanted something for nothing.

And I'm wondering if she's actually genuinely unhinged and full of hatred.

You know they say that there are people who most despise in other people what they most fear about their own shortcomings? Braverman constantly villifies people who try to come to this country to better themselves, and people who she insists are full of hate.

We just had one Tory leader who was manifestly mentally unwell. I wonder if they are going to choose another one?

I’ve watched a lot of her interviews recently. I’m no body language expert but I can tell she doesn’t  fully believe everything she is spouting. She’s another politician that has started an agenda based on what is probably a core belief and it’s just spiralled out of control and she’s thinks she has to keep running with it. It’s probably dragged her into a place she doesn’t want to be but taking a backward step would be detrimental to her career in her mind.

“Audience capture is a self-reinforcing feedback loop that involves telling one's audience what they want to hear and getting rewarded for it.”

[wilts rover]

I swing two ways on Braverman. I see the arguments that she's skilfully setting herself up as the next Tory leader and she knows the Tory membership are ugly, racist bigots, so she has to appeal to them. That's it's a certain amount of performance art to chuck red meat to the snarling membership who need someone to despise.

But then I remember her storming out of Westminster after she'd been eliminated in the MPs' vote for Tory leader last year. She was dripping venom as she brain dumped about how our country was full of idle layabouts who wanted something for nothing.

And I'm wondering if she's actually genuinely unhinged and full of hatred.

You know they say that there are people who most despise in other people what they most fear about their own shortcomings? Braverman constantly villifies people who try to come to this country to better themselves, and people who she insists are full of hate.

We just had one Tory leader who was manifestly mentally unwell. I wonder if they are going to choose another one?

I’ve watched a lot of her interviews recently. I’m no body language expert but I can tell she doesn’t  fully believe everything she is spouting. She’s another politician that has started an agenda based on what is probably a core belief and it’s just spiralled out of control and she’s thinks she has to keep running with it. It’s probably dragged her into a place she doesn’t want to be but taking a backward step would be detrimental to her career in her mind.

She has one of the most senior jobs in the country. I doubt very much she is in a place she doesn't want to be.

She is playing up to the Daily Mail/GB News crowd. Neither of those two media outles have ever criticised her - nor her them.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Just a thought.

I'm guessing Braverman must be very ill and unable to speak in public today.

Only...she's so passionate in her condemnation of "hate marchers". But so far she's not said a dicky bird about Yaxley-Lennon and his knuckle-dragging followers kicking off yesterday.

[tommy toes]

Good to see the Met police effectively calling her out for inciting the counter protesters.
They should go a step further and arrest her.