Braverman offically a liar

[SydneyRover]

Simon  Jenkins writes:

''When the solution to your problem is David Cameron, you know you’re in deep trouble''

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/nov/13/david-cameron-cabinet-suella-braverman-rishi-sunak

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

We now have an unelected PM and a Unelected Foreign Sec, dictatorship anyone?

Ironic that David Cameron was one of only 3 PM's in the last 25 years not to have a minister from outside of parliament.  Theresa May and John Major being the others.  Everyone else had (including Labour for the entire time they were in power).

It's an interesting area and we're actually out of step with other countries where it happens frequently (EG the USA).  Perhaps we'd be better off if the government could appoint from outside of elected officials but with parliament having to sign them off or something like that?

[Glyn_Wigley]

I have to admit it's a fairly drastic way for Rishi to say that not one of his MPs are fit to be Foreign Secretary!

[BillyStubbsTears]

Rishi Sunak is going to be horrified when he realises he's just taken on someone responsible for part of the failed last 30 years.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12590587/amp/Rishi-Sunak-vow-end-30-years-failed-status-quo-politics-Tory-conference-speech-scraps-northern-leg-HS2.html&ved=2ahUKEwiirJKV9cCCAxUVh1wKHc5iDqoQyM8BKAB6BAgNEAI&usg=AOvVaw3iD9oIFXFdnicr2mUwFqd_

[SydneyRover]

We now have an unelected PM and a Unelected Foreign Sec, dictatorship anyone?

Ironic that David Cameron was one of only 3 PM's in the last 25 years not to have a minister from outside of parliament.  Theresa May and John Major being the others.  Everyone else had (including Labour for the entire time they were in power).

It's an interesting area and we're actually out of step with other countries where it happens frequently (EG the USA).  Perhaps we'd be better off if the government could appoint from outside of elected officials but with parliament having to sign them off or something like that?

But shouldn't that occur only in an area of special need (although frost struggled in NI) rather than because of a lack of talent in parliament?

[Glyn_Wigley]

Look out for Lord Boris as Minister For Women!

[Glyn_Wigley]

We now have an unelected PM and a Unelected Foreign Sec, dictatorship anyone?

Ironic that David Cameron was one of only 3 PM's in the last 25 years not to have a minister from outside of parliament.  Theresa May and John Major being the others.  Everyone else had (including Labour for the entire time they were in power).

It's an interesting area and we're actually out of step with other countries where it happens frequently (EG the USA).  Perhaps we'd be better off if the government could appoint from outside of elected officials but with parliament having to sign them off or something like that?

I didn't think you can have a non-Parliamentary Minister of State?

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

We now have an unelected PM and a Unelected Foreign Sec, dictatorship anyone?

Ironic that David Cameron was one of only 3 PM's in the last 25 years not to have a minister from outside of parliament.  Theresa May and John Major being the others.  Everyone else had (including Labour for the entire time they were in power).

It's an interesting area and we're actually out of step with other countries where it happens frequently (EG the USA).  Perhaps we'd be better off if the government could appoint from outside of elected officials but with parliament having to sign them off or something like that?

I didn't think you can have a non-Parliamentary Minister of State?

The point is why do they have to be elected to hold positions, is it the best way? Possibly not.

[BillyStubbsTears]

I've absolutely no problem with having non-MPs as senior ministers. You want the very best people for the job.

The problem is that, in this case, the very best person they could find is the PM who made the two worst political decisions (Austerity and the Brexit referendum) in my lifetime. What that does is to show how absolutely shocking the other potential choices are in this Tory party.

[BillyStubbsTears]

I should add, it's not just that they were awful decisions for the effect they had on the future of the country. They were decisions that he didn't have to make in a crisis. They were choices to give him what he thought was party political advantage.

He went for Austerity despite all the economic theory and evidence purely because it gave him a stick to beat Brown with.

He went for the Brexit referendum to address the threat of Farage undermining him from the Far Right in the 2015 election.

He was a shocking PM who did untold damage to this country. The fact that he's all that Sunak can now turn to shows that the Tories need to be out of power for a generation.

[MachoMadness]

The political equivalent of giving it Big Sam til the end of the season. But without the hope that he'll actually keep you up.

[Glyn_Wigley]

We now have an unelected PM and a Unelected Foreign Sec, dictatorship anyone?

Ironic that David Cameron was one of only 3 PM's in the last 25 years not to have a minister from outside of parliament.  Theresa May and John Major being the others.  Everyone else had (including Labour for the entire time they were in power).

It's an interesting area and we're actually out of step with other countries where it happens frequently (EG the USA).  Perhaps we'd be better off if the government could appoint from outside of elected officials but with parliament having to sign them off or something like that?

I didn't think you can have a non-Parliamentary Minister of State?

The point is why do they have to be elected to hold positions, is it the best way? Possibly not.

It's better than a situation such as Trump politicising his Executive appointments against his enemies as he says he will if he gets elected again. It's what Cummings was trying to do here.

The point of Parliamentary appointments is that they are then accountable to Parliament.

[belton rover]

The despised Tory is dead. Long live the despised Tory.

[BillyStubbsTears]

The despised Tory is dead. Long live the despised Tory.

Do YOU think he was a good PM?

[Glyn_Wigley]

In other good news, Therese Coffey has finally gone too.

[ravenrover]

As he is no longer an actual MP is he allowed to attend The Commons?

[BillyStubbsTears]

As he is no longer an actual MP is he allowed to attend The Commons?

No, although the Commons can vote to compel him to stand at the edge of the House and be questioned.

[Campsall rover]

I've absolutely no problem with having non-MPs as senior ministers. You want the very best people for the job.

The problem is that, in this case, the very best person they could find is the PM who made the two worst political decisions (Austerity and the Brexit referendum) in my lifetime. What that does is to show how absolutely shocking the other potential choices are in this Tory party.

And the Labour Party are full of wise Men and Women who are going to make our country great again.
Yes I can’t wait.
Being serious it’s easy when you’re in opposition isn’t it?  Talk is cheap. How Starmer is going to do what he wants to do over 2 full terms in office is quite frankly pie in the sky.

Both The Conservatives and the Labour Party have wasted Billions of tax payers money over the last 26 and a half years. Billions.
To be honest the Raving Loony party could have done a better job. 
I have never been so disillusioned with politicians as I am at present.
We are desperately crying out for a really strong leader who is neither on the right or left with his views.

There just doesn’t seem to be anyone out there coming up through the ranks who remotely fits that bill.
It’s extremely worrying.

Bringing back Cameron looks like an act of desperation to me.  The man that thought the British people should have a referendum on the EU.
Did he honestly think 95% of the adult population knew what would be best for this country.
I thought that’s what we elect politicians to do.

[Bentley Bullet]

We now have an unelected PM and a Unelected Foreign Sec, dictatorship anyone?

Who would you "elect" as foreign secretary, Diane Abbott?

[Campsall rover]

We now have an unelected PM and a Unelected Foreign Sec, dictatorship anyone?

Who would you "elect" as foreign secretary, Diane Abbott?

God forbid.
Angela Raynor as Home Secretary or any ministerial post for that matter.  Give me strength.
Is that what we have got to look forward to in possibly 6 to 12 months time.

[belton rover]

The despised Tory is dead. Long live the despised Tory.

Do YOU think he was a good PM?

No.

[ncRover]

A piece of artwork for Billy or Sydney to frame and hang up.

https://x.com/darrengrimes_/status/1724037826767884358?s=46

[BillyStubbsTears]

The despised Tory is dead. Long live the despised Tory.

Do YOU think he was a good PM?

No.

Then isn't it fair to point out his failings?

[BillyStubbsTears]

A piece of artwork for Billy or Sydney to frame and hang up.

https://x.com/darrengrimes_/status/1724037826767884358?s=46

Darren Grimes.

Dear God up above.

The internet is so wonderful in so many ways. But it's Yin and Yang.

For every access you get to truly brilliant minds and their insights, you also get exposed to bottom feeding gobshites like Grimes, who would never have been heard of in pre-intenet days.

[Donnywolf]

Amazingly lots of the 52pc who Voted Leave said they wanted to free themselves of the Rules and Laws dictated to us by people in the EU who were unelected AND they could not get rid of by voting them out

Cameron is now one of that exact category. Elected by nobody and now free to make Rules and Laws in this Country and nobody but nobody can vote him out

Irony of ironies

[belton rover]

The despised Tory is dead. Long live the despised Tory.

Do YOU think he was a good PM?

No.

Then isn't it fair to point out his failings?

His failings as PM many years ago has little or nothing to do with his ability to do this job, right now.
You do not want a competent Tory Home Secretary, whoever it may be.

[Pancho Regan]

We now have an unelected PM and a Unelected Foreign Sec, dictatorship anyone?

Who would you "elect" as foreign secretary, Diane Abbott?

God forbid.
Angela Raynor as Home Secretary or any ministerial post for that matter.  Give me strength.
Is that what we have got to look forward to in possibly 6 to 12 months time.

Angela Raynor will make an excellent senior minister

[ravenrover]

The despised Tory is dead. Long live the despised Tory.

Do YOU think he was a good PM?

No.

Then isn't it fair to point out his failings?

His failings as PM many years ago has little or nothing to do with his ability to do this job, right now.
You do not want a competent Tory Home Secretary, whoever it may be.

Wait for the question
Do you believe Brexit is a success?

[tyke1962]

I have to admit it's a fairly drastic way for Rishi to say that not one of his MPs are fit to be Foreign Secretary!

Yes but there's none left , 327 have already had the job !!

[Campsall rover]

We now have an unelected PM and a Unelected Foreign Sec, dictatorship anyone?

Who would you "elect" as foreign secretary, Diane Abbott?

God forbid.
Angela Raynor as Home Secretary or any ministerial post for that matter.  Give me strength.
Is that what we have got to look forward to in possibly 6 to 12 months time.

Angela Raynor will make an excellent senior minister

We will possibly see in 6/12 months