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There won't be peace. Without worldwide pressure, which won't ever happen so long as the US remains strong, Israel won't budge the slightest bit on its racist apartheid position, never mind recompense the Palestinians for the theft of their land, the murder of their people, and the oppression put upon them.Without US funding, the state wouldn't exist. It should have been put in an area in the States somewhere.
I do wonder if we're already in WW3.
Quote from: SydneyRover on October 08, 2023, 12:06:40 pmQuote from: ncRover on October 08, 2023, 08:47:07 amQuote from: Bristol Red Rover on October 07, 2023, 10:59:32 pmThere won't be peace. Without worldwide pressure, which won't ever happen so long as the US remains strong, Israel won't budge the slightest bit on its racist apartheid position, never mind recompense the Palestinians for the theft of their land, the murder of their people, and the oppression put upon them.Without US funding, the state wouldn't exist. It should have been put in an area in the States somewhere.What do you think happens to the 6m Jewish people if you give the Palestinians the land?For accuracy in this thread nc, I think you should define which land you mean and who are the owners.The land that Bristol Red is talking about, I was replying to his post. Hamas want to destroy Israel and have previously denied the holocaust.
Quote from: ncRover on October 08, 2023, 08:47:07 amQuote from: Bristol Red Rover on October 07, 2023, 10:59:32 pmThere won't be peace. Without worldwide pressure, which won't ever happen so long as the US remains strong, Israel won't budge the slightest bit on its racist apartheid position, never mind recompense the Palestinians for the theft of their land, the murder of their people, and the oppression put upon them.Without US funding, the state wouldn't exist. It should have been put in an area in the States somewhere.What do you think happens to the 6m Jewish people if you give the Palestinians the land?For accuracy in this thread nc, I think you should define which land you mean and who are the owners.
Quote from: Bristol Red Rover on October 07, 2023, 10:59:32 pmThere won't be peace. Without worldwide pressure, which won't ever happen so long as the US remains strong, Israel won't budge the slightest bit on its racist apartheid position, never mind recompense the Palestinians for the theft of their land, the murder of their people, and the oppression put upon them.Without US funding, the state wouldn't exist. It should have been put in an area in the States somewhere.What do you think happens to the 6m Jewish people if you give the Palestinians the land?
Quote from: ncRover on October 08, 2023, 12:49:51 pmQuote from: SydneyRover on October 08, 2023, 12:06:40 pmQuote from: ncRover on October 08, 2023, 08:47:07 amQuote from: Bristol Red Rover on October 07, 2023, 10:59:32 pmThere won't be peace. Without worldwide pressure, which won't ever happen so long as the US remains strong, Israel won't budge the slightest bit on its racist apartheid position, never mind recompense the Palestinians for the theft of their land, the murder of their people, and the oppression put upon them.Without US funding, the state wouldn't exist. It should have been put in an area in the States somewhere.What do you think happens to the 6m Jewish people if you give the Palestinians the land?For accuracy in this thread nc, I think you should define which land you mean and who are the owners.The land that Bristol Red is talking about, I was replying to his post. Hamas want to destroy Israel and have previously denied the holocaust.Jewish Zionists want to destroy Palestine because they believe all biblical land should be controlled by Israel.Not an easy situation is it.Not all Palestinian's support Hamas and not all Jewish Israelis are Zionists. But there are enough of each to make compromise impossible.
Quote from: DonnyOsmond on October 07, 2023, 09:06:00 pmI do wonder if we're already in WW3.As sproty will tell you from his study of history, until the last century most major wars started in the middle east. Even one of those had the objective of controlling the oilfields in the middle east.What he can also tell you is that there is a very strong and influential radical right-wing Christian movement in the US. The objective of which is to start a major war in the middle east in order to bring about Armageddon and the second coming of Christ. You might not believe this - but they do.
The scale of this attack is quite shocking.It feels part of a narrative. There is one major country that benefits if shit starts kicking off all over the place.That's why Azerbaijan has been given the green light to ethnically cleanse Nagorno- Karabakh.It's why Serbia has been given the green light to start sabre-rattling over Kosovo.And it's no coincidence that Hamas is funded by Iran who are in bed with...Join the dots and the arrow points in one direction.I detest what Israel has done to Palestinians. But massacring innocent civilians on this scale is not the answer.The single thing it will do is to strengthen Putin's hand by dividing those who stand against Putin.
The disjointed Israeli Government has had little or no control over Right wing factions stealing land from Palestinians and building on it.
Anyone who still doubts that Starmer had to root out some of the fellow travellers that infested the Labour Party, just look at what ex MP Chris Williamson is saying today. Glorying in this uprising that has already resulted in hundreds of civilians dying.
Quote from: Bristol Red Rover on October 07, 2023, 10:59:32 pmThere won't be peace. Without worldwide pressure, which won't ever happen so long as the US remains strong, Israel won't budge the slightest bit on its racist apartheid position, never mind recompense the Palestinians for the theft of their land, the murder of their people, and the oppression put upon them.Without US funding, the state wouldn't exist. It should have been put in an area in the States somewhere.If only you thought the same about the theft of Ukrainian land.
Quote from: ncRover on October 08, 2023, 08:47:07 amQuote from: Bristol Red Rover on October 07, 2023, 10:59:32 pmThere won't be peace. Without worldwide pressure, which won't ever happen so long as the US remains strong, Israel won't budge the slightest bit on its racist apartheid position, never mind recompense the Palestinians for the theft of their land, the murder of their people, and the oppression put upon them.Without US funding, the state wouldn't exist. It should have been put in an area in the States somewhere.What do you think happens to the 6m Jewish people if you give the Palestinians the land? Genocide
From what I can make out, apart from this being an action to scupper the Israeli "new middle east" thing with Saudi, Egypt, Sudan, and... Jordan?, on the ground the Palestinians seemed to focus on the military bases and police stations, grabbing over 40 vehicles including tanks, heavy arms, and ammunition. Also many vehicles, including tanks, put out of action. Seems they also shot down helicopters, four of them?Hostages were also took, obviously, as they are bargaining chips. And no doubt some civilians tried to defend themselves and so were taken out, and some Palestinians were probably just charged up and wanted to kill. War is crap.Israel is promoting the angle of Palestinians murdering civilians, even seen paid ads with this on an online game I was playing which was weird, as that appeals to the mainstream narrative. Apart from that being outright hypocrisy it's far from the central story.
He can't do it.https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/1710632920950489167He cannot look inside himself and unreservedly condemn the killing and kidnapping of civilians.Those of you on the left who complain about the Corbynistas being blindsided and neutralised, grow up. This is who he is. "The unfolding events."Jesus f**king wept.
Quote from: ncRover on October 08, 2023, 08:47:07 amQuote from: Bristol Red Rover on October 07, 2023, 10:59:32 pmThere won't be peace. Without worldwide pressure, which won't ever happen so long as the US remains strong, Israel won't budge the slightest bit on its racist apartheid position, never mind recompense the Palestinians for the theft of their land, the murder of their people, and the oppression put upon them.Without US funding, the state wouldn't exist. It should have been put in an area in the States somewhere.What do you think happens to the 6m Jewish people if you give the Palestinians the land? The land can be shared. Tho some Israelis are against peace more than Hamas, total fruit loops, they'd probs be imprisoned. There is a lot of work done between the various semites there, getting them together, healing the divide. But, Israel constantly harms this. Without that harm, without killing Palestinians, without robbing them, Hamas wouldn't exist.
He can't do it.https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/1710632920950489167He cannot look inside himself and unreservedly condemn the killing and kidnapping of civilians.Those of you on the left who complain about the Corbynistas being blindsided and neutralised, grow up. This is who he is. "The unfolding events."Jesus f**king wept.
There’s problems on both sides.But you seem to be an apologist for these recent terrorist actions from Hamas such as the one at the music festival and other evil crimes against civilians. I think that’s a bit sick.Did UK civilians who have died at the hands of Islamist extremists have it coming for the actions of Bush and Blair destabilising the Middle East and giving rise to ISIS?If shit was to hit the fan in areas where Israelis and Palestinians hypothetically lived together (something that propaganda and disinformation could easily whip up), who would hold more power - 2 million Palestinian civilians or 30,000 armed Hamas fighters? Likewise for the Israeli defence forces and right-wing militant factions?Both sides want to destroy each other.I’m not clued up on the historical context of the land I’ll be honest but I’m just looking at the here and now, the right and wrong and possible unintended consequences.
Hound.You campaign for the Party.Leaders come and go but the beliefs and values remain broadly the same. Even you should realise that. Unless you're stirring the pot again as per.
Quote from: glosterred on October 08, 2023, 11:20:52 amQuote from: ncRover on October 08, 2023, 08:47:07 amQuote from: Bristol Red Rover on October 07, 2023, 10:59:32 pmThere won't be peace. Without worldwide pressure, which won't ever happen so long as the US remains strong, Israel won't budge the slightest bit on its racist apartheid position, never mind recompense the Palestinians for the theft of their land, the murder of their people, and the oppression put upon them.Without US funding, the state wouldn't exist. It should have been put in an area in the States somewhere.What do you think happens to the 6m Jewish people if you give the Palestinians the land? GenocideWhich is why nearly all Paestinians, and many Jews, want to "share" the land. Coming up with the genocide comment does nothing but fuel this, right here, and from a right wing, actually facist, ultra Zionist perspective - is that who you are?