Cenotaph

[drfchound]

SS, one or two posters make out that Tory voters voted for Brexit.
It appears that they never consider that some Labour supporters might have voted that way as well.

[Bristol Red Rover]

If they wanted to do all of that they'd have done it by now with a conservative majority, they haven't and won't.

These protests are not peaceful, blocking roads isn't peaceful.  You have to laugh at just stop oil. In the recent court case one of them wanted a delay because they'll be on holiday flying to India, you couldn't make it up...

That's an individual. The issue is far bigger than that. Peaceful protests are the bottom line to keep free. If a few individuals are not peaceful, that is no reason to stop a protest. It's also a fact that governments over the years, centuries, have employed agent provocateurs to give them the permission to go in hard with army or police. In a situation where police are predicting violence in order to stop protests, there is a lot of room for abusive control, and steps towards authoritarianism.

It's all about keeping the masses under control, subservient.

Sounds like PUTINS Russia!

Blame it on the other nasty leaders - keep doffing your cap son.

[Glyn_Wigley]

The conditions that enabled fascism were a direct result of the limp wristed leadership of the Weimar Government after WW1. The effects of rampant hyper-inflation resulting in middle classes being made poorer, losing their homes and businesses and working people being hit ever harder in the pocket. Add to that the complete national and very deliberate humiliation of Germany on the word stage after WW1 and the total loss of national identity/pride and you have a perfect breeding ground for a nationalist/fascist type party.

The parallels are (worryingly) there but they were sown a long time ago, way before GB News and Russia started stirring the pot. I'd suggest a good starting point to look for where this started would be 1997 onwards and the increasingly "progressive" policies of successive governments since then.

You take away the national identity of a country, tell people they're thick racists for caring about immigration and loss of national identity for long enough and you're going to see a reaction to that which extremist parties will be able to exploit. The national flag of this country is now something we're supposed to be ashamed of (compare that to Scotland or Wales who take pride in their flag) bashed over the head about our "white-privilege" and admonished for events taking place hundreds of years ago that led to us becoming a global superpower. Statues torn down and history erased. You're damn right, fascism is on the rise. Fascism is not however purely a preserve of the right.

We absolutely are in times that are comparable to the rise of fascism in Germany, but people may not like the inconvenient truth as to why we find ourselves here.

Good post, Tommy. I warned people on here about Labour Party members accusing Brexit voters in staunch Labour strongholds of being thick, racist, gammon faced old farts, and the effect it would have on the 2019 GE. Then there was lardarse Thornberry with her "white van man" insults.

To be fair to Starmer, despite looking unimpressive, he seems to be trying to nip this kind of thing in the bud with potential Labour voters, insisting that people need to move on from Brexit.

Unfortunately Tommy leaves out the bit about the difficulties the Weimar Government had with the Freikorps and rampant political violence across the country and also makes it sound like the hyperinflational was the result of weak government rather than the completely unrealistic reparations forced upon Germany without any hope of the payments being kept up due to the stringent conditions placed upon them by France.

[tyke1962]

SS, one or two posters make out that Tory voters voted for Brexit.
It appears that they never consider that some Labour supporters might have voted that way as well.

Best example of Labour was Chuka Umunna who was on through the night on the BBC as the results came in .

Even if this referendum is decided by one vote we have to respect the result whoever wins he says has Remain forged ahead before 4am .

He then spent the next four years doing exactly the opposite .

[roverstillidie91]

If they wanted to do all of that they'd have done it by now with a conservative majority, they haven't and won't.

These protests are not peaceful, blocking roads isn't peaceful.  You have to laugh at just stop oil. In the recent court case one of them wanted a delay because they'll be on holiday flying to India, you couldn't make it up...

That's an individual. The issue is far bigger than that. Peaceful protests are the bottom line to keep free. If a few individuals are not peaceful, that is no reason to stop a protest. It's also a fact that governments over the years, centuries, have employed agent provocateurs to give them the permission to go in hard with army or police. In a situation where police are predicting violence in order to stop protests, there is a lot of room for abusive control, and steps towards authoritarianism.

It's all about keeping the masses under control, subservient.

Sounds like PUTINS Russia!

How the UK acts if other countries did the same as we are doing and censoring people then our mainstream media and press would be the first to criticise.

The problem is most of our general public are easily manipulated and the media and press likes of The Sun, Daily Mail are good at it.

Divide and rule it is known as

[SydneyRover]

The conditions that enabled fascism were a direct result of the limp wristed leadership of the Weimar Government after WW1. The effects of rampant hyper-inflation resulting in middle classes being made poorer, losing their homes and businesses and working people being hit ever harder in the pocket. Add to that the complete national and very deliberate humiliation of Germany on the word stage after WW1 and the total loss of national identity/pride and you have a perfect breeding ground for a nationalist/fascist type party.

The parallels are (worryingly) there but they were sown a long time ago, way before GB News and Russia started stirring the pot. I'd suggest a good starting point to look for where this started would be 1997 onwards and the increasingly "progressive" policies of successive governments since then.

You take away the national identity of a country, tell people they're thick racists for caring about immigration and loss of national identity for long enough and you're going to see a reaction to that which extremist parties will be able to exploit. The national flag of this country is now something we're supposed to be ashamed of (compare that to Scotland or Wales who take pride in their flag) bashed over the head about our "white-privilege" and admonished for events taking place hundreds of years ago that led to us becoming a global superpower. Statues torn down and history erased. You're damn right, fascism is on the rise. Fascism is not however purely a preserve of the right.

We absolutely are in times that are comparable to the rise of fascism in Germany, but people may not like the inconvenient truth as to why we find ourselves here.

Good post, Tommy. I warned people on here about Labour Party members accusing Brexit voters in staunch Labour strongholds of being thick, racist, gammon faced old farts, and the effect it would have on the 2019 GE. Then there was lardarse Thornberry with her "white van man" insults.

To be fair to Starmer, despite looking unimpressive, he seems to be trying to nip this kind of thing in the bud with potential Labour voters, insisting that people need to move on from Brexit.

unto thine own self be true, Steve, the parrot will support you regardless

[scawsby steve]

SS, one or two posters make out that Tory voters voted for Brexit.
It appears that they never consider that some Labour supporters might have voted that way as well.

Dead right, mate. In fact, that "some" was practically the whole of the North-East.

[SydneyRover]

With economical strokes of the keyboard thy wisdom is confirmed

QI: Battle of the signs

R. B. S Hammond began the weekly ritual of the St. Barnabas message board. His witty and often thought provoking messages were what made St Barnabas famous. Some include; "Drink and trouble are like petrol and fire", "Alcohol makes your mind stagger long before your feet do", "Do not nurse a grievance, teach it to walk" and "Divorce is the hash we make from domestic scraps". Continuing on the tradition was Robert Forsyth, who found that he had competition from Arthur Elliot, publican of the nearby pub, Broadway Hotel. The two noticeboards would often display subtle wordplay, including the following:[13]

St Barnabas: "This church is for sinners"
Broadway Hotel: "This pub is for drinkers"
St Barnabas: "Money does not make you happy"
Broadway Hotel: "I'd rather be rich and happy than poor and happy"
St Barnabas: "God made sex for marriage not for money"
Broadway Hotel: "Wish he had made money for marriage"
St Barnabas: "Free Grace brothers and sisters" (St Barnabas was next to a Grace Brothers store)
Broadway Hotel: "Free David Jones too" (referring to another Australian department store)
St Barnabas: "The best things in life aren't things"
Broadway Hotel: "Things are not all what they seem to be"

Nowadays and perhaps somewhat ironically, after some services, particularly the later services, parishioners share fellowship with each other at the pub opposite St. Barnabas.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Barnabas_Anglican_Church,_Broadway

[drfchound]

One is posting some strange things.

[selby]

  7 years of moaning and still sat on their arses doing nothing about it.
   What a great country we have got, just look at that Quisling Starmer, if he was Russian he would have been shot or poisoned. as a traitor catching the train to Paris to overturn and undermine an elected government and the peoples wishes they voted for.
  And he on here is held up by people on here as a bastion of democracy, the S**TH***E.

[Bentley Bullet]

SS, one or two posters make out that Tory voters voted for Brexit.
It appears that they never consider that some Labour supporters might have voted that way as well.

Dead right, mate. In fact, that "some" was practically the whole of the North-East.

Apparently, 37% of thick, racist, gammon-faced old fart Labour supporters voted to leave the EU.

[normal rules]

I see the cenotaph in Rochdale has been desecrated by some pro palestinian low life (s)
This wont end well.

 

[wilts rover]

SS, one or two posters make out that Tory voters voted for Brexit.
It appears that they never consider that some Labour supporters might have voted that way as well.

Dead right, mate. In fact, that "some" was practically the whole of the North-East.

Apparently, 37% of thick, racist, gammon-faced old fart Labour supporters voted to leave the EU.

Did all these 37% then vote Labour in the 2019?

Or all youincluding among your 'thick, racist, gammon-faced old fart Labour supporters' people who subsequently didn't vote Labour? But voted for a party they were happier with?

[wilts rover]

I see the cenotaph in Rochdale has been desecrated by some pro palestinian low life (s)
This wont end well.

 

I see the cenotaph in Rochdale was vandalised on Tuesday night. After you started this thread and after a number of other far-right agitators talked about centotaphs being vandalised. Which up until then hadn't been.

How convenient.

[Bentley Bullet]

SS, one or two posters make out that Tory voters voted for Brexit.
It appears that they never consider that some Labour supporters might have voted that way as well.

Dead right, mate. In fact, that "some" was practically the whole of the North-East.

Apparently, 37% of thick, racist, gammon-faced old fart Labour supporters voted to leave the EU.

Did all these 37% then vote Labour in the 2019?

Or all youincluding among your 'thick, racist, gammon-faced old fart Labour supporters' people who subsequently didn't vote Labour? But voted for a party they were happier with?

According to the figures, 37% of Labour supporters voted to leave the EU in 2016. How many of them came to their senses and didn't vote for Labour in 2019 I don't know.

Do you?

[BillyStubbsTears]

Why does everything always come back to Brexit with some people?

It's over. You won. Move on.

[Bentley Bullet]

Who won?

[BillyStubbsTears]

Who won?

You won the argument in 2019. You wanted Brexit then. You got it.

Move on. It's ancient history.

[Bentley Bullet]

I didn't vote Brexit, but I believed then, and still do in a democratic vote standing and so accepted the result, becoming a fully-fledged Leaver, as a good loser should. 

Unlike you and your mates.

[Bristol Red Rover]

I didn't vote Brexit, but I believed then, and still do in a democratic vote standing and so accepted the result, becoming a fully-fledged Leaver, as a good loser should. 

Unlike you and your mates.

Is the Centotaph also for Brexit warriors?

And Democracy.... is that where people make choices depending on what the elites tell them and what they censor? Keep doffing.

[drfchound]

SS, one or two posters make out that Tory voters voted for Brexit.
It appears that they never consider that some Labour supporters might have voted that way as well.

Dead right, mate. In fact, that "some" was practically the whole of the North-East.

Apparently, 37% of thick, racist, gammon-faced old fart Labour supporters voted to leave the EU.

Did all these 37% then vote Labour in the 2019?

Or all youincluding among your 'thick, racist, gammon-faced old fart Labour supporters' people who subsequently didn't vote Labour? But voted for a party they were happier with?

Wilts, just a thought here, do all the golf club bores, who get mentioned on here frequently, vote Tory or do some of them vote Labour.

[BillyStubbsTears]

I didn't vote Brexit, but I believed then, and still do in a democratic vote standing and so accepted the result, becoming a fully-fledged Leaver, as a good loser should. 

Unlike you and your mates.

Yes. I know that's what you did. Why are you still rambling on about it? Move on. You won.

[wilts rover]

SS, one or two posters make out that Tory voters voted for Brexit.
It appears that they never consider that some Labour supporters might have voted that way as well.

Dead right, mate. In fact, that "some" was practically the whole of the North-East.

Apparently, 37% of thick, racist, gammon-faced old fart Labour supporters voted to leave the EU.

Did all these 37% then vote Labour in the 2019?

Or all youincluding among your 'thick, racist, gammon-faced old fart Labour supporters' people who subsequently didn't vote Labour? But voted for a party they were happier with?

Wilts, just a thought here, do all the golf club bores, who get mentioned on here frequently, vote Tory or do some of them vote Labour.

I have never been in a golf club in my life hound. Can I leave it to you to find out.

[BillyStubbsTears]

I've been in a few. Never been as bored in my life.

[drfchound]

SS, one or two posters make out that Tory voters voted for Brexit.
It appears that they never consider that some Labour supporters might have voted that way as well.

Dead right, mate. In fact, that "some" was practically the whole of the North-East.

Apparently, 37% of thick, racist, gammon-faced old fart Labour supporters voted to leave the EU.

Did all these 37% then vote Labour in the 2019?

Or all youincluding among your 'thick, racist, gammon-faced old fart Labour supporters' people who subsequently didn't vote Labour? But voted for a party they were happier with?

Wilts, just a thought here, do all the golf club bores, who get mentioned on here frequently, vote Tory or do some of them vote Labour.

I have never been in a golf club in my life hound. Can I leave it to you to find out.

You could do but I’m not a golf club member wilts.
Perhaps bst could tell us as it is him who constantly drones on about them.

[Bentley Bullet]

I've been in a few. Never been as bored in my life.

I bet them you were sat with thought the same.

[scawsby steve]

The conditions that enabled fascism were a direct result of the limp wristed leadership of the Weimar Government after WW1. The effects of rampant hyper-inflation resulting in middle classes being made poorer, losing their homes and businesses and working people being hit ever harder in the pocket. Add to that the complete national and very deliberate humiliation of Germany on the word stage after WW1 and the total loss of national identity/pride and you have a perfect breeding ground for a nationalist/fascist type party.

The parallels are (worryingly) there but they were sown a long time ago, way before GB News and Russia started stirring the pot. I'd suggest a good starting point to look for where this started would be 1997 onwards and the increasingly "progressive" policies of successive governments since then.

You take away the national identity of a country, tell people they're thick racists for caring about immigration and loss of national identity for long enough and you're going to see a reaction to that which extremist parties will be able to exploit. The national flag of this country is now something we're supposed to be ashamed of (compare that to Scotland or Wales who take pride in their flag) bashed over the head about our "white-privilege" and admonished for events taking place hundreds of years ago that led to us becoming a global superpower. Statues torn down and history erased. You're damn right, fascism is on the rise. Fascism is not however purely a preserve of the right.

We absolutely are in times that are comparable to the rise of fascism in Germany, but people may not like the inconvenient truth as to why we find ourselves here.

Good post, Tommy. I warned people on here about Labour Party members accusing Brexit voters in staunch Labour strongholds of being thick, racist, gammon faced old farts, and the effect it would have on the 2019 GE. Then there was lardarse Thornberry with her "white van man" insults.

To be fair to Starmer, despite looking unimpressive, he seems to be trying to nip this kind of thing in the bud with potential Labour voters, insisting that people need to move on from Brexit.

unto thine own self be true, Steve, the parrot will support you regardless

Good quote, Syd. Now, for the extra brownie points, which Shakespeare play is it from, and who was the character who quoted it?

[BillyStubbsTears]

I've been in a few. Never been as bored in my life.

I bet them you were sat with thought the same.

I do hope so. If folk like that were interested in me, I'd consider myself a failure in life.

[Bentley Bullet]

I've been in a few. Never been as bored in my life.

I bet them you were sat with thought the same.

I do hope so. If folk like that were interested in me, I'd consider myself a failure in life.

Yep, you stick to your 4th division off-topic football forum where you can consider yourself a success in life!

[SydneyRover]

The conditions that enabled fascism were a direct result of the limp wristed leadership of the Weimar Government after WW1. The effects of rampant hyper-inflation resulting in middle classes being made poorer, losing their homes and businesses and working people being hit ever harder in the pocket. Add to that the complete national and very deliberate humiliation of Germany on the word stage after WW1 and the total loss of national identity/pride and you have a perfect breeding ground for a nationalist/fascist type party.

The parallels are (worryingly) there but they were sown a long time ago, way before GB News and Russia started stirring the pot. I'd suggest a good starting point to look for where this started would be 1997 onwards and the increasingly "progressive" policies of successive governments since then.

You take away the national identity of a country, tell people they're thick racists for caring about immigration and loss of national identity for long enough and you're going to see a reaction to that which extremist parties will be able to exploit. The national flag of this country is now something we're supposed to be ashamed of (compare that to Scotland or Wales who take pride in their flag) bashed over the head about our "white-privilege" and admonished for events taking place hundreds of years ago that led to us becoming a global superpower. Statues torn down and history erased. You're damn right, fascism is on the rise. Fascism is not however purely a preserve of the right.

We absolutely are in times that are comparable to the rise of fascism in Germany, but people may not like the inconvenient truth as to why we find ourselves here.

Good post, Tommy. I warned people on here about Labour Party members accusing Brexit voters in staunch Labour strongholds of being thick, racist, gammon faced old farts, and the effect it would have on the 2019 GE. Then there was lardarse Thornberry with her "white van man" insults.

To be fair to Starmer, despite looking unimpressive, he seems to be trying to nip this kind of thing in the bud with potential Labour voters, insisting that people need to move on from Brexit.

unto thine own self be true, Steve, the parrot will support you regardless

Good quote, Syd. Now, for the extra brownie points, which Shakespeare play is it from, and who was the character who quoted it?

As you like it, polly pipe