Shock poll

[SydneyRover]

All in all a well attended march and the only violence coming from the government proxies

Really ?

https://youtu.be/caccFu0bLnc?si=SVYZsrSwddL8BHgo

'I have no dog in this fight'

really?

Yes that's right .

maybe you should read your comments where you have prefaced them with that statement, not to mention that comment you were correctly called out for.

[tyke1962]

All in all a well attended march and the only violence coming from the government proxies

Really ?

https://youtu.be/caccFu0bLnc?si=SVYZsrSwddL8BHgo

'I have no dog in this fight'

really?

Yes that's right .

maybe you should read your comments where you have prefaced them with that statement, not to mention that comment you were correctly called out for.

Perhaps you should remove yourself from the illusions you read about in newspapers you agree with and look at things you don't .

As Orwell wrote , " the job of a journalist is to give it's readers the facts they aren't going to like " .

For the record I watched Tommy Robinson's mob march to the cenotaph this morning , it was excruciating to witness , an embarrassment .

[SydneyRover]

All in all a well attended march and the only violence coming from the government proxies

Really ?

https://youtu.be/caccFu0bLnc?si=SVYZsrSwddL8BHgo

'I have no dog in this fight'

really?

Yes that's right .

maybe you should read your comments where you have prefaced them with that statement, not to mention that comment you were correctly called out for.

Perhaps you should remove yourself from the illusions you read about in newspapers you agree with and look at things you don't .

As Orwell wrote , " the job of a journalist is to give it's readers the facts they aren't going to like " .

For the record I watched Tommy Robinson's mob march to the cenotaph this morning , it was excruciating to witness , an embarrassment .

Then it's quite amusing that of the two you decided to post something titled ''Kicking off English lads vs palistians'' aye?

[tyke1962]

All in all a well attended march and the only violence coming from the government proxies

Really ?

https://youtu.be/caccFu0bLnc?si=SVYZsrSwddL8BHgo

'I have no dog in this fight'

really?

Yes that's right .

maybe you should read your comments where you have prefaced them with that statement, not to mention that comment you were correctly called out for.

Perhaps you should remove yourself from the illusions you read about in newspapers you agree with and look at things you don't .

As Orwell wrote , " the job of a journalist is to give it's readers the facts they aren't going to like " .

For the record I watched Tommy Robinson's mob march to the cenotaph this morning , it was excruciating to witness , an embarrassment .

Then it's quite amusing that of the two you decided to post something titled ''Kicking off English lads vs palistians'' aye?

The footage showed two groups facing up to each other and sporadic fighting in Trafalgar Square , one of the groups had Palestinian flags .

It was posted to counter your view that the trouble was one sided yesterday with the police standing back and observing which clearly you are having trouble coming to terms with .

Why you are having trouble digesting it and getting a little hot under the collar I don't know .

[SydneyRover]

All in all a well attended march and the only violence coming from the government proxies

Really ?

https://youtu.be/caccFu0bLnc?si=SVYZsrSwddL8BHgo

'I have no dog in this fight'

really?

Yes that's right .

maybe you should read your comments where you have prefaced them with that statement, not to mention that comment you were correctly called out for.

Perhaps you should remove yourself from the illusions you read about in newspapers you agree with and look at things you don't .

As Orwell wrote , " the job of a journalist is to give it's readers the facts they aren't going to like " .

For the record I watched Tommy Robinson's mob march to the cenotaph this morning , it was excruciating to witness , an embarrassment .

Then it's quite amusing that of the two you decided to post something titled ''Kicking off English lads vs palistians'' aye?

The footage showed two groups facing up to each other and sporadic fighting in Trafalgar Square , one of the groups had Palestinian flags .

It was posted to counter your view that the trouble was one sided yesterday with the police standing back and observing which clearly you are having trouble coming to terms with .

Why you are having trouble digesting it and getting a little hot under the collar I don't know .

Not sure why without a dog you'd need to do that at all tyke, especially with a video that shows little if any violence at all.

[DRFC_AjA]

Evening Standard front page photo of Palestine March with a headline
Fights break out between police and groups trying to reach Cenotaph
Absolutely disgraceful, remind me who owns the ES!

Are you going to cry because they didn't show what you wanted for your narrative? An angry white man

[DRFC_AjA]

If you organise a march, let's choose anything, let's say pro donny rovers, anti VAR and on week one it's hijacked by hooligans you would probably take a step back. Week 2 it's hijacked by say EDL you'd take another step back. Anyone with any morals or who actually wants a peaceful protest would not organise week 3. They would definitely not then organise on the ONE and only day of the whole year that people in this country use to remember their war dead

Just take a day off from pretending that this Saturdays protest was anything other than extremism and the organisers wanting to inflame tensions. The vernim wearing their hammas headbands you undoubtedly know were not called out and told to stop by others in that march. Jihad it is

[roverstillidie91]

All in all a well attended march and the only violence coming from the government proxies

Really ?

https://youtu.be/caccFu0bLnc?si=SVYZsrSwddL8BHgo

'I have no dog in this fight'

really?

Yes that's right .

maybe you should read your comments where you have prefaced them with that statement, not to mention that comment you were correctly called out for.

Perhaps you should remove yourself from the illusions you read about in newspapers you agree with and look at things you don't .

As Orwell wrote , " the job of a journalist is to give it's readers the facts they aren't going to like " .

For the record I watched Tommy Robinson's mob march to the cenotaph this morning , it was excruciating to witness , an embarrassment .

Then it's quite amusing that of the two you decided to post something titled ''Kicking off English lads vs palistians'' aye?

The footage showed two groups facing up to each other and sporadic fighting in Trafalgar Square , one of the groups had Palestinian flags .

It was posted to counter your view that the trouble was one sided yesterday with the police standing back and observing which clearly you are having trouble coming to terms with .

Why you are having trouble digesting it and getting a little hot under the collar I don't know .

To be fair you'll probably always get a minority on either side looking trouble, like some of the Palestinian wearing the hamas headbands I think it was.

[SydneyRover]

91, the video hasn't been authenticated by anyone apart from tyke as yet and worse still for his argument none of the rw papers have offered it up.

[roverstillidie91]

The front page of The Mirror yesterday got it right I think


They fought and died for our freedom
Freedom of speech, thought and protest
To Suella Braverman… how dare you try to take that away?
To the marchers… remember who won you those freedoms
To Britain… we must resist all cynical efforts to whip up hatred

I would be wary if you gov polls. I remember one they did in covid time that said around 20% of people wanted nightclubs permanently closed forever.

" They fought and died for our freedoms including free speech " is absolutely true but it comes with responsibility too .

It comes with compliance with law and order too .

You can't say what the hell you want , you really can't .

You can't call for Jihad for instance , you can't promote acts of terrorism , it's illegal to do so .

Whether doing so actually leads to your arrest and acted upon by the police to obtain a conviction may be difficult for a variety of reasons , the march this afternoon would probably be especially difficult to start arresting marchers given the sheer numbers of protesters and the likelihood doing so could escalate matters further .

However speeches such as the one in the link are illegal under UK law .

I'd also suggest that anyone organising or attending a Pro Israeli march today or at any time currently through Dewsbury town centre for instance would potentially face problems and wouldn't be the greatest idea in the world , free speech or not .

https://x.com/hurryupharry/status/1715732342604505530?s=20

@hurryupharry is a good Twitter page and a few on here could do to look at it.

Far right and far left nut jobs today as is often the case with protest / counter-protest.

I would echo byline news, novara media, Peter Stefanovic, Julia Patterson (NHS), Trade Union Congress, Sonia Paulton on Youtube amongst others.

Not right-wing rag and lies to create division and hate.

Tell you what the MSM and Government aren't telling you.

Knowledge is power.

You think following those sources gives you the full picture?

I don’t watch the news or read the Sun / Mail / Express.

I follow Aaron Bastani and Ash Sarkar from NM on X. I think it’s good to take different angles in.

After Oct 7th Hamas attacks, Rivkah Brown from Novara Media tweeted:

“Today should be a day of celebration for supporters of democracy and human rights worldwide, as Gazans break out of their open-air prison and Hamas fighters cross into their colonisers' territory. The struggle for freedom is rarely bloodless and we shouldn't apologise for it.”

Of course it doesn't when you see such biased views on either side all I prefer to look at is a balanced neutral view on what is going on and is easy to believe 1 side especially when going on Twitter.

What confuses me all of these individuals making contributions against the Tories support Labour so much when clearly Labour are basically Tory 2.0 at the moment.

Not going to happen but it's a shame we can't do away with Tories and Labour all together. That said I still predict a hung parliament with Labour for the next GE so fingers crossed it won't give them as much of a possibility to flex their muscles how they want.

[roverstillidie91]

91, the video hasn't been authenticated by anyone apart from tyke as yet and worse still for his argument none of the rw papers have offered it up.

It is so easy to get lost in this conflict though. Same with the Russia-Ukraine war and the biased views of both sides.

Labour do have a real problem on their hands with this though just hoping it doesn't play into the hands of the Tories.

[tyke1962]

91, the video hasn't been authenticated by anyone apart from tyke as yet and worse still for his argument none of the rw papers have offered it up.

Why are you getting a little hot under the collar Sydney ?

There were two opposing groups not exactly covering themselves in glory in Trafalgar Square including the Met .

There's no bias there , it is what it is .

How simple do you want it .

[SydneyRover]

91, the video hasn't been authenticated by anyone apart from tyke as yet and worse still for his argument none of the rw papers have offered it up.

Why are you getting a little hot under the collar Sydney ?

There were two opposing groups not exactly covering themselves in glory in Trafalgar Square including the Met .

There's no bias there , it is what it is .

How simple do you want it .

I made a comment, you are trying your best to discredit my comment, as yet without proof.

[SydneyRover]

Evening Standard front page photo of Palestine March with a headline
Fights break out between police and groups trying to reach Cenotaph
Absolutely disgraceful, remind me who owns the ES!

With similar sentiments echoed by the right wing rags today desperately trying to blame pro-Palestinians, minimum 300,000 marching, a couple of thousand of counter protesters but .........

''Nine officers were injured and 126 people arrested - the "vast majority" of whom were counter-protesters''

https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-the-papers-67394611

Oh, and after the march Gove exercising his right to be a total prat.

''London protests: Met condemns 'extreme violence' of far-right''

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-67390514

chrrr, chrrr, Gove wants to walk to the tube station, please advise if any protestors are still making their way home, over.

[wilts rover]

If you organise a march, let's choose anything, let's say pro donny rovers, anti VAR and on week one it's hijacked by hooligans you would probably take a step back. Week 2 it's hijacked by say EDL you'd take another step back. Anyone with any morals or who actually wants a peaceful protest would not organise week 3. They would definitely not then organise on the ONE and only day of the whole year that people in this country use to remember their war dead

Just take a day off from pretending that this Saturdays protest was anything other than extremism and the organisers wanting to inflame tensions. The vernim wearing their hammas headbands you undoubtedly know were not called out and told to stop by others in that march. Jihad it is

What do you think to Tommy Robinson & the far-right attempting to 'storm' the cenotaph whilst singing 'there's no black in the union jack' and 'you're not English' at the police officers they were attacking?

Whilst you are accussing others of 'not calling out' that is?

[DonnyOsmond]

If you organise a march, let's choose anything, let's say pro donny rovers, anti VAR and on week one it's hijacked by hooligans you would probably take a step back. Week 2 it's hijacked by say EDL you'd take another step back. Anyone with any morals or who actually wants a peaceful protest would not organise week 3. They would definitely not then organise on the ONE and only day of the whole year that people in this country use to remember their war dead

Just take a day off from pretending that this Saturdays protest was anything other than extremism and the organisers wanting to inflame tensions. The vernim wearing their hammas headbands you undoubtedly know were not called out and told to stop by others in that march. Jihad it is

What do you think to Tommy Robinson & the far-right attempting to 'storm' the cenotaph whilst singing 'there's no black in the union jack' and 'you're not English' at the police officers they were attacking?

Whilst you are accussing others of 'not calling out' that is?

He'll think they're upstanding patriots who were just defending the realm.

[BillyStubbsTears]

If you organise a march, let's choose anything, let's say pro donny rovers, anti VAR and on week one it's hijacked by hooligans you would probably take a step back. Week 2 it's hijacked by say EDL you'd take another step back. Anyone with any morals or who actually wants a peaceful protest would not organise week 3. They would definitely not then organise on the ONE and only day of the whole year that people in this country use to remember their war dead

Just take a day off from pretending that this Saturdays protest was anything other than extremism and the organisers wanting to inflame tensions. The vernim wearing their hammas headbands you undoubtedly know were not called out and told to stop by others in that march. Jihad it is

That was going really well until you compared protesting against a massacre with protesting against VAR.

[mugnapper]

Apologies for dragging this back to the OP.

https://www.aol.co.uk/labour-course-landslide-election-victory-072427352.html

Keir Starmer's party is tipped to win even more seats than Tony Blair did in 1997.

[DRFC_AjA]

If you organise a march, let's choose anything, let's say pro donny rovers, anti VAR and on week one it's hijacked by hooligans you would probably take a step back. Week 2 it's hijacked by say EDL you'd take another step back. Anyone with any morals or who actually wants a peaceful protest would not organise week 3. They would definitely not then organise on the ONE and only day of the whole year that people in this country use to remember their war dead

Just take a day off from pretending that this Saturdays protest was anything other than extremism and the organisers wanting to inflame tensions. The vernim wearing their hammas headbands you undoubtedly know were not called out and told to stop by others in that march. Jihad it is

What do you think to Tommy Robinson & the far-right attempting to 'storm' the cenotaph whilst singing 'there's no black in the union jack' and 'you're not English' at the police officers they were attacking?

Whilst you are accussing others of 'not calling out' that is?

It is being called out and rightly so, yet on the other side of the fence the pro Palestinian mob who have undoubtedly been infiltrated by extremists will continue to not call it out

[DRFC_AjA]

For all those tooting on that this Saturday's march was free speech.... presumably then you'd have no issues with the EDL protesting in Rochdale about grooming gangs, then if some extremists in that group incite violence, call for a Christian holy war, its fine that they'd then do it AGAIN the next Saturday and the Saturday after? Free speech right? Freedom to protest right?....or would they be blocked by the police. An extremist scumbag is an extremist scumbag whether they go to a church or a mosque

[ravenrover]

Evening Standard front page photo of Palestine March with a headline
Fights break out between police and groups trying to reach Cenotaph
Absolutely disgraceful, remind me who owns the ES!

Are you going to cry because they didn't show what you wanted for your narrative? An angry white man

Are you that thick to see the inference?

[glosterred]

All in all a well attended march and the only violence coming from the government proxies

Gove walks through Vic station, which is his right, but coincides with the end of a Palestinian demo in the area, which I guess gets the result he wanted.

You’re right it is his right to do so, but if the police do not take action against those involved in the intimidation of him then we are in great danger of having another Jo Cox happening. Because this will only embolden those who think this is okay. Without robust policing of incidents of this nature, irrespective of political leanings, it will never be safe for any politicians to safely walk down any street and will fundamentally change the nature of politics in this country for ever.

[tyke1962]

For all those tooting on that this Saturday's march was free speech.... presumably then you'd have no issues with the EDL protesting in Rochdale about grooming gangs, then if some extremists in that group incite violence, call for a Christian holy war, its fine that they'd then do it AGAIN the next Saturday and the Saturday after? Free speech right? Freedom to protest right?....or would they be blocked by the police. An extremist scumbag is an extremist scumbag whether they go to a church or a mosque

To be honest I'm all for hate speeches of that nature to be made in public , I'm all for public radicalisation going on .

I personally want to see who these people are and what they are saying .

At least if it's out in the open it can be challenged and the police or even secret services can act on that .

[wilts rover]

If you organise a march, let's choose anything, let's say pro donny rovers, anti VAR and on week one it's hijacked by hooligans you would probably take a step back. Week 2 it's hijacked by say EDL you'd take another step back. Anyone with any morals or who actually wants a peaceful protest would not organise week 3. They would definitely not then organise on the ONE and only day of the whole year that people in this country use to remember their war dead

Just take a day off from pretending that this Saturdays protest was anything other than extremism and the organisers wanting to inflame tensions. The vernim wearing their hammas headbands you undoubtedly know were not called out and told to stop by others in that march. Jihad it is

What do you think to Tommy Robinson & the far-right attempting to 'storm' the cenotaph whilst singing 'there's no black in the union jack' and 'you're not English' at the police officers they were attacking?

Whilst you are accussing others of 'not calling out' that is?

It is being called out and rightly so, yet on the other side of the fence the pro Palestinian mob who have undoubtedly been infiltrated by extremists will continue to not call it out

Hamas terrorism has been called out and rightly so. Yet on the other side of the fence the far-right fascist thugs who attacked the police and tried to storm the cenotaph shouting racist slogans will have supporters who refuse to call it out but instead go 'whataboutery...'

[tyke1962]

If you organise a march, let's choose anything, let's say pro donny rovers, anti VAR and on week one it's hijacked by hooligans you would probably take a step back. Week 2 it's hijacked by say EDL you'd take another step back. Anyone with any morals or who actually wants a peaceful protest would not organise week 3. They would definitely not then organise on the ONE and only day of the whole year that people in this country use to remember their war dead

Just take a day off from pretending that this Saturdays protest was anything other than extremism and the organisers wanting to inflame tensions. The vernim wearing their hammas headbands you undoubtedly know were not called out and told to stop by others in that march. Jihad it is

What do you think to Tommy Robinson & the far-right attempting to 'storm' the cenotaph whilst singing 'there's no black in the union jack' and 'you're not English' at the police officers they were attacking?

Whilst you are accussing others of 'not calling out' that is?

It is being called out and rightly so, yet on the other side of the fence the pro Palestinian mob who have undoubtedly been infiltrated by extremists will continue to not call it out

Hamas terrorism has been called out and rightly so. Yet on the other side of the fence the far-right fascist thugs who attacked the police and tried to storm the cenotaph shouting racist slogans will have supporters who refuse to call it out but instead go 'whataboutery...'

Wilts .

I watched a live stream with the far right group , the guy who was filming was never more than five yards away from Robinson .

The police had blocked off the street leading to the Cenotaph with barricades and were all spread out and stood in front of it .

The far right mob were all stood for around 15 minutes and it appeared the police weren't going to let them through and started to get agitated verbally but no violence .

Robinson was telling the group to calm down and was speaking with police officers calmly and wasn't aggressive .

After around 20 minutes the barricade was lifted and the group allowed to walk towards the Cenotaph .

The problem was the pavement was very crowded and barricaded so as not to allow anybody to walk on the road and the police were lined up against the barricades too , there was very little room and it looked really uncomfortable .

People to relieve the congestion jumped over the barricades and the police started forcing them back which led to confrontation .

When they arrived at the Cenotaph I didn't witness any trouble , the two minutes silence was observed and there was clapping and cheering for the armed forces who formed part of the service .

Once the wreaths were laid and the two minute silence observed I turned the stream off so I can't comment on anything else but that's what I saw up to that point .

I didn't here any collective racist chanting .

Now don't get me wrong some of the individual comments I heard by some of the group weren't exactly politically correct and there were plenty of extreme expletives to go with that but you wouldn't get arrested for the language or comments today either .

Are these the kind of people I'd want to attend Armistice Day with ?

Absolutely not , you only had to look at them to know what they were and the comments they made although there were ex servicemen amongst them wearing berets etc .

That's what I saw Wilts .

[roverstillidie91]

Apologies for dragging this back to the OP.

https://www.aol.co.uk/labour-course-landslide-election-victory-072427352.html

Keir Starmer's party is tipped to win even more seats than Tony Blair did in 1997.

Being tipped and actually achieving it in over a years time? Is being predicted to do 1 thing and actually achieve it.

As much as I want the Tories consigned to history, I'm just still unsure over Labour and how they sabotaged their own campaign last time in regards to Jeremy Corbyn.

It is still unclear about KS intentions and what he is actually going to do, the pledges he made to be leader he has gone back on every single one.

Question marks over his-self and his proposed cabinet, their links to donation by private health care companies and what his plans are for the NHS. The impact of Brexit and how he is going to solve it.

And if they are to continue with the awful implementation of privitisation.

And does he appeal to young people? They very much preferred Jeremy Corbyn because of his policies and to scrap tuition fees. Which is why you have seen so many vacancies in the NHS.

A lot of things can happen between now and a general election, I'm afraid 1. They are taking a victory for granted and 2. They are only leading because of how bad the Tories are.

He seems to talk, but there isn't much detail on how he is going to change things for the better.

[SydneyRover]

All in all a well attended march and the only violence coming from the government proxies

Gove walks through Vic station, which is his right, but coincides with the end of a Palestinian demo in the area, which I guess gets the result he wanted.

You’re right it is his right to do so, but if the police do not take action against those involved in the intimidation of him then we are in great danger of having another Jo Cox happening. Because this will only embolden those who think this is okay. Without robust policing of incidents of this nature, irrespective of political leanings, it will never be safe for any politicians to safely walk down any street and will fundamentally change the nature of politics in this country for ever.

Have you proved any intimidation took place or is it just the Sunday papers again?

[glosterred]

All in all a well attended march and the only violence coming from the government proxies

Gove walks through Vic station, which is his right, but coincides with the end of a Palestinian demo in the area, which I guess gets the result he wanted.

You’re right it is his right to do so, but if the police do not take action against those involved in the intimidation of him then we are in great danger of having another Jo Cox happening. Because this will only embolden those who think this is okay. Without robust policing of incidents of this nature, irrespective of political leanings, it will never be safe for any politicians to safely walk down any street and will fundamentally change the nature of politics in this country for ever.

Have you proved any intimidation took place or is it just the Sunday papers again?

No I don’t read the Sunday papers, but I have seen this

https://twitter.com/RonEng1ish/status/1723396228514300324

And I bet if it had been a Labour politician you would have been very vocal on this

[SydneyRover]

All in all a well attended march and the only violence coming from the government proxies

Gove walks through Vic station, which is his right, but coincides with the end of a Palestinian demo in the area, which I guess gets the result he wanted.

You’re right it is his right to do so, but if the police do not take action against those involved in the intimidation of him then we are in great danger of having another Jo Cox happening. Because this will only embolden those who think this is okay. Without robust policing of incidents of this nature, irrespective of political leanings, it will never be safe for any politicians to safely walk down any street and will fundamentally change the nature of politics in this country for ever.

Have you proved any intimidation took place or is it just the Sunday papers again?

No I don’t read the Sunday papers, but I have seen this

https://twitter.com/RonEng1ish/status/1723396228514300324

And I bet if it had been a Labour politician you would have been very vocal on this

Absolute f**king bas**rds for chanting ''shame on you'' were there any arrests?

And further to that, Starmer has had protests against him in the past, if you'd like to show where I complained.

[drfchound]

All in all a well attended march and the only violence coming from the government proxies

Gove walks through Vic station, which is his right, but coincides with the end of a Palestinian demo in the area, which I guess gets the result he wanted.

You’re right it is his right to do so, but if the police do not take action against those involved in the intimidation of him then we are in great danger of having another Jo Cox happening. Because this will only embolden those who think this is okay. Without robust policing of incidents of this nature, irrespective of political leanings, it will never be safe for any politicians to safely walk down any street and will fundamentally change the nature of politics in this country for ever.

Have you proved any intimidation took place or is it just the Sunday papers again?

No I don’t read the Sunday papers, but I have seen this

https://twitter.com/RonEng1ish/status/1723396228514300324

And I bet if it had been a Labour politician you would have been very vocal on this

I saw footage on the news and it must have been very intimidating.
Irrespective of who the person being harassed is, it is very wrong and it only takes someone to go too far and a possible assault or worse is likely to happen.
Anyone who thinks this wouldn’t have been intimidating for Gove is living in cloud cukoo land.