Joe Ironside stat

[Dutch Uncle]

It may have gone unnoticed yesterday but Joe Ironside became only the 9th player to score in three national knockout cups for Rovers in the same season. The other eight are:
1994-95: Graeme Jones (1 FAC, 1 FLC, 1 AMC)
1995-96: Colin Cramb (1 FAC, 1 FLC, 1 AMC)
2006-07: Brian Stock (1 FAC, 1 FLC, 1 AMC)
2007-08: Mark McCammon (1 FAC, 1 FLC, 2 AMC)
2012-13: Chris Brown (1 FAC, 1 FLC, 1 AMC)
2016-17: Liam Mandeville (1 FAC, 1 FLC, 1 AMC)
2018-19: Alfie May (4 FAC, 1 FLC, 4 AMC)
2020-21: Fejiri Okenabirhie (1 FAC, 1 FLC, 1 AMC)

In addition two more players scored in three in knockout events if we include playoffs. They are:
2007-08: James Hayter (2 FAC, 1 FLC, 1 P/O)
2018-19: John Marquis (3 FAC, 1 AMC , 1 P/O)

[drfchound]

Great stats Dutch and some good names on that list sir.

[i_ateallthepies]

On that measure, Dutch, it puts Alfie May well clear of all those other great names.  I wonder what his detractors think.

[Pancho Regan]

Brilliant stats as always Dutch !

[Reg of the Rovers]

I'm surprised Ironside doesn't get more attention on here, he's an amazing player, good goal return, quietly gone about his business, holding the line. Good to see his impact on the stats.

[Campsall rover]

On that measure, Dutch, it puts Alfie May well clear of all those other great names.  I wonder what his detractors think.

4 were against Chorley.
Yes you can only play against what’s in front of you. But Chorley were easy pickings that night.
We cut through their defence at will. 
Alfie did the business so credit to him but I for one never in a million years thought he would turn into a prolific league 1 goalscorer.
Those that did, saw more than Grant McCann & Darren Moore both did and they are the professionals.

Personally I think the Alfie May multiple threads are now getting very boring.
He is long gone at Rovers. It’s no good constantly looking back. He is a player who may never have flourished at Rovers . We will never know. Some players need to move to a new club that has a Manager who is going give regular 1st team football. That happened at Cheltenham Town under Damien Duff. The rest is history.
But that’s what Alfie is for Rovers, history. We need to move on.
Our strikers are now Ironside, Faal, Miller
( when fit again ) & Goodman.
The current partnership of Ironside and Faal is looking really good.

Alfie has gone likely never to return so can’t we just leave it at that.

[Bentley Bullet]

On that measure, Dutch, it puts Alfie May well clear of all those other great names.  I wonder what his detractors think.

4 were against Chorley.
Yes you can only play against what’s in front of you. But Chorley were easy pickings that night.
We cut through their defence at will. 
Alfie did the business so credit to him but I for never in a million years thought he would tur into a prolific league 1 goalscorer.
Those that did, saw more than Grant McCann & Darren Moore both did and they are the professionals.

Personally I think the Alfie May multiple threads are now getting very boring.
He is long gone at Rovers. It’s no good constantly looking back. He is a player who may never have flourished at Rovers . We will never know. Some players need to move to a new club that has a Manager who is going give regular 1st team football. That happened at Cheltenham Town under Damien Duff.
The rest is history.
But that’s what Alfie is for Rovers, history. We need to move on.
Our strikers are now Ironside, Faal, Miller
( when fit again ) & Goodman.
The current partnership of Ironside and Faal is looking really good.

Alfie has gone likely never to return so can’t we just leave it at that.

..... And Marquis missed a penalty!

[Campsall rover]

On that measure, Dutch, it puts Alfie May well clear of all those other great names.  I wonder what his detractors think.

4 were against Chorley.
Yes you can only play against what’s in front of you. But Chorley were easy pickings that night.
We cut through their defence at will. 
Alfie did the business so credit to him but I for never in a million years thought he would tur into a prolific league 1 goalscorer.
Those that did, saw more than Grant McCann & Darren Moore both did and they are the professionals.

Personally I think the Alfie May multiple threads are now getting very boring.
He is long gone at Rovers. It’s no good constantly looking back. He is a player who may never have flourished at Rovers . We will never know. Some players need to move to a new club that has a Manager who is going give regular 1st team football. That happened at Cheltenham Town under Damien Duff.
The rest is history.
But that’s what Alfie is for Rovers, history. We need to move on.
Our strikers are now Ironside, Faal, Miller
( when fit again ) & Goodman.
The current partnership of Ironside and Faal is looking really good.

Alfie has gone likely never to return so can’t we just leave it at that.

..... And Marquis missed a penalty!

And your point is BB?
I don’t get what Marquis has to do with my post.
The fact is Marquis scored 60 odd goals in 3 seasons. How many players have done that ever.
Not very many.

[Bentley Bullet]

My point CR, albeit intended as a tongue-in-cheek and light-hearted comment, is that you suggest May only scored 4 goals because it was against a poor Chorley side, whose defence we cut through like butter, but Marquis couldn't even score against them from the spot!

[Campsall rover]

My point CR, albeit intended as a tongue-in-cheek and light-hearted comment, is that you suggest May only scored 4 goals because it was against a poor Chorley side, whose defence we cut through like butter, but Marquis couldn't even score against them from the spot!

But that happens in football.
Credit to Alfie. He could not do much more than get 4 goals. You can only play against what is in front of you.
The fact is most of Alfie’s goals were in the Cup competitions against clubs in a lower league.
Yes he didn’t play in an awful lot of league games of course but when he did he very rarely looked like scoring goals.
He was very busy. Full of energy, always gave 100% but looked short of being a goal scorer in League 1
If you and a few others saw him in a different light then credit to you for your foresight but the fact is the vast majority of Rovers fans were not surprised when he was allowed to leave.

Let’s leave it at that BB   

[wilts rover]

My point CR, albeit intended as a tongue-in-cheek and light-hearted comment, is that you suggest May only scored 4 goals because it was against a poor Chorley side, whose defence we cut through like butter, but Marquis couldn't even score against them from the spot!

Marquis couldn't score against a lot of teams from the spot. He was an awful penalty taker.

[Chris Black come back]

My point CR, albeit intended as a tongue-in-cheek and light-hearted comment, is that you suggest May only scored 4 goals because it was against a poor Chorley side, whose defence we cut through like butter, but Marquis couldn't even score against them from the spot!

Marquis couldn't score against a lot of teams from the spot. He was an awful penalty taker.

His total penalty record isn’t great - scored 10 and missed 6, a career conversion rate of 62pc.

However, it was disproportionately bad for us. In his time with us he scored 3 but missed 4, a Rovers’ conversion rate of 42pc. 

[Bentley Bullet]

My point CR, albeit intended as a tongue-in-cheek and light-hearted comment, is that you suggest May only scored 4 goals because it was against a poor Chorley side, whose defence we cut through like butter, but Marquis couldn't even score against them from the spot!

But that happens in football.
Credit to Alfie. He could not do much more than get 4 goals. You can only play against what is in front of you.
The fact is most of Alfie’s goals were in the Cup competitions against clubs in a lower league.
Yes he didn’t play in an awful lot of league games of course but when he did he very rarely looked like scoring goals.
He was very busy. Full of energy, always gave 100% but looked short of being a goal scorer in League 1
If you and a few others saw him in a different light then credit to you for your foresight but the fact is the vast majority of Rovers fans were not surprised when he was allowed to leave.

Let’s leave it at that BB   

CR, I honestly wish other people would leave it at that, but it's obvious they wont!

I get irritated when people say things like 'May only scored 4 against shitty old Chorley', but how many people said similar when George Best scored 6 against shitty old Northampton in the same competition all those years ago? People still gorge on Best's brilliance in that game to this day.

[DMnumber4]

My point CR, albeit intended as a tongue-in-cheek and light-hearted comment, is that you suggest May only scored 4 goals because it was against a poor Chorley side, whose defence we cut through like butter, but Marquis couldn't even score against them from the spot!

Marquis couldn't score against a lot of teams from the spot. He was an awful penalty taker.

His total penalty record isn’t great - scored 10 and missed 6, a career conversion rate of 62pc.

However, it was disproportionately bad for us. In his time with us he scored 3 but missed 4, a Rovers’ conversion rate of 42pc. 

Went down a bit of a rabbit hole with this, but these are the notable penalty takers and their success in recent years. It would be great if anyone like DU or John has a more conclusive list!

McIndoe 13/16
Heffernan 7/8
Whiteman 7/8
Sharp 7/8
Brown 5/5
Ironside 3/3
Coppinger 3/4

And a certain Grant McCann during his career scored 32 of 37 penalties attempted!

[Reg of the Rovers]

Bizarrely I don't remember Copps ever taking a penno!

To bang on about Ironside again, his penalties are also excellent - when he steps up for a pen I feel like we're going to score every time.

McIndoe same, never felt like he would miss - always looked confident stepping up.

[drfchound]

Those stats for Rovers pen takers are very good.
I read somewhere a while ago that on average one out of every four pens are not scored.
If you take the McIndoe numbers, had he missed just one more he too would have scored three out of every four he took for us.
Same with Heffs, Ben and Billy.
Copps was three out of four scored.
McCanns record is superb.

[pib]

My point CR, albeit intended as a tongue-in-cheek and light-hearted comment, is that you suggest May only scored 4 goals because it was against a poor Chorley side, whose defence we cut through like butter, but Marquis couldn't even score against them from the spot!

Marquis couldn't score against a lot of teams from the spot. He was an awful penalty taker.

His total penalty record isn’t great - scored 10 and missed 6, a career conversion rate of 62pc.

However, it was disproportionately bad for us. In his time with us he scored 3 but missed 4, a Rovers’ conversion rate of 42pc. 

Went down a bit of a rabbit hole with this, but these are the notable penalty takers and their success in recent years. It would be great if anyone like DU or John has a more conclusive list!

McIndoe 13/16
Heffernan 7/8
Whiteman 7/8
Sharp 7/8
Brown 5/5
Ironside 3/3
Coppinger 3/4

And a certain Grant McCann during his career scored 32 of 37 penalties attempted!

Brian Stock was very good as well.

Just found the stats and he took 7 penalties in his pro career, and scored all 7.

Surprisingly, he didn't take any penalties for any of the other clubs he played for, so all 7 of those penalties were for DRFC, and all were successful.

Nathan Tyson also had a decent penalty record for us, with 8 out of 9 scored. If you count penalty shootouts, 9 out of 10.

[i_ateallthepies]

On that measure, Dutch, it puts Alfie May well clear of all those other great names.  I wonder what his detractors think.

4 were against Chorley.
Yes you can only play against what’s in front of you. But Chorley were easy pickings that night.
We cut through their defence at will. 
Alfie did the business so credit to him but I for one never in a million years thought he would turn into a prolific league 1 goalscorer.
Those that did, saw more than Grant McCann & Darren Moore both did and they are the professionals.

Personally I think the Alfie May multiple threads are now getting very boring.
He is long gone at Rovers. It’s no good constantly looking back. He is a player who may never have flourished at Rovers . We will never know. Some players need to move to a new club that has a Manager who is going give regular 1st team football. That happened at Cheltenham Town under Damien Duff. The rest is history.
But that’s what Alfie is for Rovers, history. We need to move on.
Our strikers are now Ironside, Faal, Miller
( when fit again ) & Goodman.
The current partnership of Ironside and Faal is looking really good.

Alfie has gone likely never to return so can’t we just leave it at that.

Campsall, Dutch Uncle put up an array of stats which included AM whose numbers stood out a mile in terms of comparable statistics, all were there to be commented upon.  Are you suggesting that not of the other outstanding candidates in that list had the good fortune to play against non-league opponents?

[scawsby steve]

Bizarrely I don't remember Copps ever taking a penno!

To bang on about Ironside again, his penalties are also excellent - when he steps up for a pen I feel like we're going to score every time.

McIndoe same, never felt like he would miss - always looked confident stepping up.

Bloody hell, Reg, don't tell me you missed that fantastic 3-1 win at Blackburn under Fergie. Copps got brought down, and then put the penno away himself.

There was no argument about Marquis and May that day either. They both scored.

[Reg of the Rovers]

Bizarrely I don't remember Copps ever taking a penno!

To bang on about Ironside again, his penalties are also excellent - when he steps up for a pen I feel like we're going to score every time.

McIndoe same, never felt like he would miss - always looked confident stepping up.

Bloody hell, Reg, don't tell me you missed that fantastic 3-1 win at Blackburn under Fergie. Copps got brought down, and then put the penno away himself.

There was no argument about Marquis and May that day either. They both scored.

I did - I was on me jollys!! I've just watched the highlights on YouTube 

[scawsby steve]

Bizarrely I don't remember Copps ever taking a penno!

To bang on about Ironside again, his penalties are also excellent - when he steps up for a pen I feel like we're going to score every time.

McIndoe same, never felt like he would miss - always looked confident stepping up.

Bloody hell, Reg, don't tell me you missed that fantastic 3-1 win at Blackburn under Fergie. Copps got brought down, and then put the penno away himself.

There was no argument about Marquis and May that day either. They both scored.

I did - I was on me jollys!! I've just watched the highlights on YouTube 

Did you notice who the keeper was that made that dreadful mistake leading to Alfie's goal?

None other than the current keeper at Arsenal, David Raya.

[Reg of the Rovers]

Bizarrely I don't remember Copps ever taking a penno!

To bang on about Ironside again, his penalties are also excellent - when he steps up for a pen I feel like we're going to score every time.

McIndoe same, never felt like he would miss - always looked confident stepping up.

Bloody hell, Reg, don't tell me you missed that fantastic 3-1 win at Blackburn under Fergie. Copps got brought down, and then put the penno away himself.

There was no argument about Marquis and May that day either. They both scored.

I did - I was on me jollys!! I've just watched the highlights on YouTube 

Did you notice who the keeper was that made that dreadful mistake leading to Alfie's goal?

None other than the current keeper at Arsenal, David Raya.

Wow, I hadn't. A couple of defensive howlers from them but from the highlights looked like we always had them on the ropes. Looking forward to Grant getting us back up to those levels again.

[Dutch Uncle]

Bizarrely I don't remember Copps ever taking a penno!

To bang on about Ironside again, his penalties are also excellent - when he steps up for a pen I feel like we're going to score every time.

McIndoe same, never felt like he would miss - always looked confident stepping up.

Bloody hell, Reg, don't tell me you missed that fantastic 3-1 win at Blackburn under Fergie. Copps got brought down, and then put the penno away himself.

There was no argument about Marquis and May that day either. They both scored.

I did - I was on me jollys!! I've just watched the highlights on YouTube 

Did you notice who the keeper was that made that dreadful mistake leading to Alfie's goal?

None other than the current keeper at Arsenal, David Raya.

Wow, I hadn't. A couple of defensive howlers from them but from the highlights looked like we always had them on the ropes. Looking forward to Grant getting us back up to those levels again.

And in the same season, the keeper at Wimbledon that got Marquis sent off by linking his arm with JMs was Ramsdale - now Raya's rival

[BillyStubbsTears]

Bizarrely I don't remember Copps ever taking a penno!

To bang on about Ironside again, his penalties are also excellent - when he steps up for a pen I feel like we're going to score every time.

McIndoe same, never felt like he would miss - always looked confident stepping up.

Bloody hell, Reg, don't tell me you missed that fantastic 3-1 win at Blackburn under Fergie. Copps got brought down, and then put the penno away himself.

There was no argument about Marquis and May that day either. They both scored.

I did - I was on me jollys!! I've just watched the highlights on YouTube 

Did you notice who the keeper was that made that dreadful mistake leading to Alfie's goal?

None other than the current keeper at Arsenal, David Raya.

Wow, I hadn't. A couple of defensive howlers from them but from the highlights looked like we always had them on the ropes. Looking forward to Grant getting us back up to those levels again.

And in the same season, the keeper at Wimbledon that got Marquis sent off by linking his arm with JMs was Ramsdale - now Raya's rival

Do NOT get me started on that one. Worst refereeing decision I have ever seen.

[drfchound]

Bizarrely I don't remember Copps ever taking a penno!

To bang on about Ironside again, his penalties are also excellent - when he steps up for a pen I feel like we're going to score every time.

McIndoe same, never felt like he would miss - always looked confident stepping up.

Bloody hell, Reg, don't tell me you missed that fantastic 3-1 win at Blackburn under Fergie. Copps got brought down, and then put the penno away himself.

There was no argument about Marquis and May that day either. They both scored.

I did - I was on me jollys!! I've just watched the highlights on YouTube 

Did you notice who the keeper was that made that dreadful mistake leading to Alfie's goal?

None other than the current keeper at Arsenal, David Raya.

Wow, I hadn't. A couple of defensive howlers from them but from the highlights looked like we always had them on the ropes. Looking forward to Grant getting us back up to those levels again.

And in the same season, the keeper at Wimbledon that got Marquis sent off by linking his arm with JMs was Ramsdale - now Raya's rival

Do NOT get me started on that one. Worst refereeing decision I have ever seen.

What, including allowing the one that Kitson slam dunked in for Portsmouth.

[roversdude]

Surprised to read that 14 is Joe’s best number of goals scored

[GazLaz]

Joe won’t score more than 10 open play goals plus penalties this season. He offers more than that though doesn’t he. He allows Mo to drift around and do his own thing and we can still maintain a focal point.

[Chris Black come back]

We’ve had for a few seasons now a squad full of invertebrates unwilling to fight and scrap. Ironside epitomises the will to win, and that adds to the squad culture that is obviously being entrenched. He sets the example for graft and effort, even if he is technically relatively limited. He’s a great asset.

[roversdude]

I think Joe will get more than 10 from open play Gaz but I’m an eternal optimist

[NickDRFC]

I think Joe will get more than 10 from open play Gaz but I’m an eternal optimist

How many has he got already - 5 or 6 across all competitions? We’ve got at least 31 fixtures left so even if he was injured for a third of those games I’d back him to get 4 or 5 more.