I've changed my phone...

[BillyStubbsTears]

...4 times since I started using WhatsApp.

I've still got messages from 2015.

I wonder if Sunak needs someone to wipe his arse for him?

[Donnywolf]

Both him and Johnson announced to the Inquiry with no irony whatsoever :

I promise to tell the truth , the whole truth and NOTHING but the truth

Lying Alan b'stards

[Donnywolf]

Seriously I changed mine twice via Tesco

Each time they said " would you like me to clone your phone for you "

I said yes please , and walked out with everything off the old one on the new one  inside 15 minutes

They are both lying through their teeth , and the Inquiry seem to be powerless to make them and / or sanction in any way whatsoever

[roversdude]

What I think is worse is the disdain they hold for the public and thinking their story is believable

[tommy toes]

They are under oath and are obviously lying.
So do you trust them not to lie when they're not on oath?

[danumdon]

They are under oath and are obviously lying.
So do you trust them not to lie when they're not on oath?

Obviously lying or in a position where it cannot be proven?

If i was the QC asking the questions i would of asked him for receipts for the new phones! as a civil servant it would of had to be obtained through the procurement procedure so records should exist.

[Glyn_Wigley]

They are under oath and are obviously lying.
So do you trust them not to lie when they're not on oath?

Obviously lying or in a position where it cannot be proven?

If i was the QC asking the questions i would of asked him for receipts for the new phones! as a civil servant it would of had to be obtained through the procurement procedure so records should exist.

I'd have asked for the old phones. There's no way they wouldn't have been held securely somewhere because of the content on them.

[idler]

Surely if Joe Public is anxious not to lose things on an old phone the people in highest office would have far more important things on their old phones.

[Mike_F]

I'm not defending them.for a second but I've changed my phone twice since I first installed WhatsApp and I've lost all previous messages both times. I don't really trust cloud storage so have always selected "never" when it asks me if I want to back up my messages.

[Dutch Uncle]

I'm not defending them.for a second but I've changed my phone twice since I first installed WhatsApp and I've lost all previous messages both times. I don't really trust cloud storage so have always selected "never" when it asks me if I want to back up my messages.

As a non phone techie who has worked decades in a classified environment that is very interesting. I can imagine security folks might insist that cell phones which will probably contain classified information have the 'never backup' setting always set. However those same folks would also insist the old phones be kept safely in which case they are either available, or securely destroyed by the security folks themselves in which case there would be a record. More questions that can easily be asked.

My guess is they also played fast and loose with security procedures in a way that would have cost me my job instantaneously.

[Petche]

What I think is worse is the disdain they hold for the public and thinking their story is believable

Exactly this, just come out with ridiculous lies which are never challenged. Same with the "eyesight testing" with Cummins!
They treat the general public like fools, boils my blood!!

[BillyStubbsTears]

Sunak has defended being responsible for the utterly mad Eat Out to Help Out policy. He was responsible for pressurising Johnson into delaying lockdown in Autumn 2020, leading to the tragedy of winter 2020/21.

All that is out in the open.

Makes you wonder. What on earth could be on his WhatsApp messages that led him to "lose" them?

[Filo]

Sunak has defended being responsible for the utterly mad Eat Out to Help Out policy. He was responsible for pressurising Johnson into delaying lockdown in Autumn 2020, leading to the tragedy of winter 2020/21.

All that is out in the open.

Makes you wonder. What on earth could be on his WhatsApp messages that led him to "lose" them?

What I can’t understand is, if he’s lost them why did he make a legal challenge not to disclose them?

[ravenrover]

I see the yanks have got this phone business right in Trumps conspiracy charge for Jan 6th. They've confiscated his phone to use as evidence what a good idea who'd ever have thought of it!

[ravenrover]

I see Lord Bethel who had previously declared he had changed/lost/broke etc his phine when asked about whatsaapp messages for the Covid enquiry has now miraculously managed to retrieve a "message" from Mone re PPE, from 2020  from somewhere

[BillyStubbsTears]

I see Lord Bethel who had previously declared he had changed/lost/broke etc his phine when asked about whatsaapp messages for the Covid enquiry has now miraculously managed to retrieve a "message" from Mone re PPE, from 2020  from somewhere

Someone has called this an example of Scroedinger's Chat. Simultaneously lost and not lost.

[Mike_F]

Lord Jim Bethel.

The man who stood in parliament and said how the awarding of contracts to manufacture COVID tests had been "transformational" to British companies including Omega Diagnostics.

Oh aye, it transformed their business alright. They spent fortunes expanding facilities, buying stock and hiring staff in readiness to fulfil their £100m+ contract.

Guess how many kits the government ended up buying from them. It's a very round number.

They subsequently had to sell off their main premises in a fire sale to the Chinese company behind the "Flowflex" kits.

I'm absolutely convinced there's another scandal waiting to be uncovered with that lot. There were times when COVID tests were like rocking horse shit and we had British manufacturers ready to go but the government wouldn't even use them as a stop gap while wee waited for more far east kits to arrive.

[Glyn_Wigley]

Well, well, well...

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-phone-messages-penny-mordaunt-b2467069.html

[SydneyRover]

If like me you've never tik'd, tok'd, been a member of fb or What'sApp and never progressed beyond much further than using a phone as something to make calls then this may be useful.

I've picked out the relevant bits.

BBC

''So can WhatsApp messages simply vanish?

Chats are stored separately on each person's device.

So if Person A and Person B are exchanging messages, then both of their phones will have a full, and separate, record of their conversation.

Messages can only be deleted for everybody up to 48 hours after they are sent - and a note appears for all participants saying this has happened.

But any messages older than that can only be deleted by someone on their own phone.

So if Person A deletes a message that is more than two days old, Person B will still have it.

It can only be deleted from Person B's phone by someone who physically picks up that phone and gets into their WhatsApp account.

There's also a feature called disappearing messages.

But that feature only launched in the UK in November 2020 and messages sent before this was switched on would not vanish.

Boris Johnson said that he factory reset his phone. This would not affect the record of his conversation with Penny Mordaunt that was stored on her phone, even if he no longer had it.

He also said he changed his number. Again - whether he started a new WhatsApp account or transferred his old one to the new number, this would not affect the data stored on Ms Mordaunt's phone.

Finally, he mentioned a WhatsApp server outage at the time. An outage at WhatsApp HQ might prevent message sending, but it would not affect the content of messages already sent.

WhatsApp messages are never stored on WhatsApp servers.

If they are backed up, they will be stored on either Apple or Google servers, depending on whether the phone is iPhone or Android.

And they are sent using end-to-end encryption, meaning that only the sender and recipient's devices can read them.

Even if WhatsApp or someone else were to access them, they would not be able to tamper with them''

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-67780595

[drfchound]

I wonder what could have possibly happened to the messages on Mordaunts phone?
More to the importantly, what happened to the messages that Mike_F mentions further up the thread.

[Iberian Red]

Christ above!
He lied to the Queen(or sent soggy biscuit thick as Fogg).
Lied about  parties at 10 Downing St.
Lied in previous jobs,got sacked.
Only Boris apologists or folk as thick as would try to defend him.
Step up a couple of posters on here.

[Bentley Bullet]

Iberian Red, what is this obsession of yours with soggy biscuits?

[Iberian Red]

I reserve it for folks like you.

[Iberian Red]

Iberian Red, what is this obsession of yours with soggy biscuits?

You know what I mean!
The type that socks up and shallows any muck that comes out of the Etonian elite that you vote for.

[Bentley Bullet]

I've looked up what "soggy Biscuit" means. It means adolescents w**king on biscuits and forcing the last one who shoots his load to eat it.

Is that what your obsession is?

[drfchound]

He does appear to speak about stuff that like quite a lot BB.

[Bentley Bullet]

He does appear to speak about stuff that like quite a lot BB.

Yeah, and what's ironic is he says it's us that talks b*llocks.

[Colemans Left Hook]

I see Lord Bethel who had previously declared he had changed/lost/broke etc his phine when asked about whatsaapp messages for the Covid enquiry has now miraculously managed to retrieve a "message" from Mone re PPE, from 2020  from somewhere

Someone has called this an example of Scroedinger's Chat. Simultaneously lost and not lost.

apart from the mis-spelling of Schrödinger that was funny

developing your "effort" ... Scroogedinger's Chat would be more appropriate at this time of year

it was always  Schrödinger's when I was a lad  :

below is a practical example of Schrödinger's wave theorem

 

and if you jumped off a tall building you could give us a practical example of the "doppler effect"