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Colin C No.3

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Re: Brexit - how well is it going?
« Reply #60 on January 04, 2024, 03:46:18 pm by Colin C No.3 »
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Re: Brexit - how well is it going?
« Reply #61 on January 04, 2024, 05:04:30 pm by selby »
  By the way Syd, I can't get over the remainer's never accepting the leave vote that was much wider in the UK than made out because anyone who lived abroad and were registered to vote up to 15yrs before the referendum were entitled to vote and obviuosly the vast majority of them would vote to stay especially the large numbers in Spain, France and the other EU countries.
  And for the first and only time anyone domiciled in Gibraltar who voted 98% to stay, their vote was added to the UK tally.
  The leave vote overcame a referendum set up to advantage the remain vote, had leaflets distributed to every address at the governments cost begging people to vote remain, and the BBC propaganda machine broadcasting to the very last minute encouraging people to vote remain, and every top politician from the PM down supporting the remain side of the referendum.
  And you say a message on the side of a  bus and a second world war photograph with Farage in front of it defeated all that, and not the fact that the EU was morphing into a state of its own where the UK electorate would have no control over laws and the way they progressed as a country, then I think those who think that are thicker than I have given them credit for in the past.
   And the leave side of the argument had the more polished speakers,  speakers  who gave the impression they cared and were not part of the EU cartel or the plum in the mouth British establishment that has always thought the working class were subservient who did themselves no good preaching to our population and actually saying they would make it difficult for us if we left appealing to our B******S to you attitude.
  Anyway things world wide seem to be conspiring against the EU now we have left, their ambition of flattening our banking system has failed spectacularly, and they have long memories, and the world is a very different place with Europe in general losing their place in the world as we have done, and their condescending attitude is not going to push buttons much longer.
« Last Edit: January 04, 2024, 05:12:17 pm by selby »

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Re: Brexit - how well is it going?
« Reply #62 on January 04, 2024, 05:41:55 pm by Ldr »
  By the way Syd, I can't get over the remainer's never accepting the leave vote that was much wider in the UK than made out because anyone who lived abroad and were registered to vote up to 15yrs before the referendum were entitled to vote and obviuosly the vast majority of them would vote to stay especially the large numbers in Spain, France and the other EU countries.
  And for the first and only time anyone domiciled in Gibraltar who voted 98% to stay, their vote was added to the UK tally.
  The leave vote overcame a referendum set up to advantage the remain vote, had leaflets distributed to every address at the governments cost begging people to vote remain, and the BBC propaganda machine broadcasting to the very last minute encouraging people to vote remain, and every top politician from the PM down supporting the remain side of the referendum.
  And you say a message on the side of a  bus and a second world war photograph with Farage in front of it defeated all that, and not the fact that the EU was morphing into a state of its own where the UK electorate would have no control over laws and the way they progressed as a country, then I think those who think that are thicker than I have given them credit for in the past.
   And the leave side of the argument had the more polished speakers,  speakers  who gave the impression they cared and were not part of the EU cartel or the plum in the mouth British establishment that has always thought the working class were subservient who did themselves no good preaching to our population and actually saying they would make it difficult for us if we left appealing to our B******S to you attitude.
  Anyway things world wide seem to be conspiring against the EU now we have left, their ambition of flattening our banking system has failed spectacularly, and they have long memories, and the world is a very different place with Europe in general losing their place in the world as we have done, and their condescending attitude is not going to push buttons much longer.

It certainly seems that there are some posters not mature enough to grasp that people can have a differing opinion to them unless they were lied to. Should I name names? Maybe not now, wouldn’t want to step on any toes

Sprotyrover

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Re: Brexit - how well is it going?
« Reply #63 on January 04, 2024, 06:26:54 pm by Sprotyrover »
We dodged a few Bullets last year as the EU heaped up more membership costs to be absorbed , mainly on the 21 st June.£50 billion Ukraine facility to cater for Ukraines modernisation,£2 billion on migration and border control,£10.5 Billion Neighbourhood and the world.£2.5 billion Solidarity and Emergency reserve.£3 billion Invest EU,£5 Billion,Innovation fund,£1.5 billion£The European Defence fund.£0.5 horizon Europe,£15 billion extra borrowing. Costs.£1.9 billion extra Brussels administration,£16 billion extra contribution from members based on their companies profits.£28 Billion Emissions trading system 2024/27
£1.5 billion Carbon border adjustment.total extra £118 Billion Source Eu Commison 21 June 2023.

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Re: Brexit - how well is it going?
« Reply #64 on January 04, 2024, 06:27:35 pm by wilts rover »
  By the way Syd, I can't get over the remainer's never accepting the leave vote that was much wider in the UK than made out because anyone who lived abroad and were registered to vote up to 15yrs before the referendum were entitled to vote and obviuosly the vast majority of them would vote to stay especially the large numbers in Spain, France and the other EU countries.
  And for the first and only time anyone domiciled in Gibraltar who voted 98% to stay, their vote was added to the UK tally.
  The leave vote overcame a referendum set up to advantage the remain vote, had leaflets distributed to every address at the governments cost begging people to vote remain, and the BBC propaganda machine broadcasting to the very last minute encouraging people to vote remain, and every top politician from the PM down supporting the remain side of the referendum.
  And you say a message on the side of a  bus and a second world war photograph with Farage in front of it defeated all that, and not the fact that the EU was morphing into a state of its own where the UK electorate would have no control over laws and the way they progressed as a country, then I think those who think that are thicker than I have given them credit for in the past.
   And the leave side of the argument had the more polished speakers,  speakers  who gave the impression they cared and were not part of the EU cartel or the plum in the mouth British establishment that has always thought the working class were subservient who did themselves no good preaching to our population and actually saying they would make it difficult for us if we left appealing to our B******S to you attitude.
  Anyway things world wide seem to be conspiring against the EU now we have left, their ambition of flattening our banking system has failed spectacularly, and they have long memories, and the world is a very different place with Europe in general losing their place in the world as we have done, and their condescending attitude is not going to push buttons much longer.

It certainly seems that there are some posters not mature enough to grasp that people can have a differing opinion to them unless they were lied to. Should I name names? Maybe not now, wouldn’t want to step on any toes

Well you are making unproven accusations and allegations that you haven't backed up with facts. Which is unlike you but par for the course for Brexit and Brexit supporters faced with evidence they don't like since 2016.

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« Reply #65 on January 04, 2024, 08:45:11 pm by BillyStubbsTears »
  By the way Syd, I can't get over the remainer's never accepting the leave vote that was much wider in the UK than made out because anyone who lived abroad and were registered to vote up to 15yrs before the referendum were entitled to vote and obviuosly the vast majority of them would vote to stay especially the large numbers in Spain, France and the other EU countries.
  And for the first and only time anyone domiciled in Gibraltar who voted 98% to stay, their vote was added to the UK tally.
  The leave vote overcame a referendum set up to advantage the remain vote, had leaflets distributed to every address at the governments cost begging people to vote remain, and the BBC propaganda machine broadcasting to the very last minute encouraging people to vote remain, and every top politician from the PM down supporting the remain side of the referendum.
  And you say a message on the side of a  bus and a second world war photograph with Farage in front of it defeated all that, and not the fact that the EU was morphing into a state of its own where the UK electorate would have no control over laws and the way they progressed as a country, then I think those who think that are thicker than I have given them credit for in the past.
   And the leave side of the argument had the more polished speakers,  speakers  who gave the impression they cared and were not part of the EU cartel or the plum in the mouth British establishment that has always thought the working class were subservient who did themselves no good preaching to our population and actually saying they would make it difficult for us if we left appealing to our B******S to you attitude.
  Anyway things world wide seem to be conspiring against the EU now we have left, their ambition of flattening our banking system has failed spectacularly, and they have long memories, and the world is a very different place with Europe in general losing their place in the world as we have done, and their condescending attitude is not going to push buttons much longer.

Well done Selby.

You and Dominic Cummings.

By their friends shall ye know them.

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Re: Brexit - how well is it going?
« Reply #66 on January 04, 2024, 09:16:26 pm by normal rules »
I said at the time that brexit should not be judged in the short term.
The true benefits (or not) should be judged over the same amount of time that it took the uk to be ensconced in the EU machine. Decades.
Signs are, that EU scepticism is gaining traction across the major players in Europe. The whole mechanism is unravelling. Germany on the verge of recession. French right wing politics coming to the fore. Italian right wing politics the same .Poland anti EU rhetoric becoming more evident. Europeans, across the board sick of huge scale immigration.
It’s only going one way.
The house of cards will collapse in time.

BillyStubbsTears

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« Reply #67 on January 04, 2024, 09:59:31 pm by BillyStubbsTears »
I find it fascinating the way people over on the right wing fringes actively want the EU to fail. It's like they have absolutely zero comprehension of history or geopolitics, or of the fact that the zero sum approach to international economics was understood to be b*llocks 200 years ago. They think it's all something that will happen to Them while We sail on. If They lose, We win.

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« Reply #68 on January 05, 2024, 06:46:49 am by SydneyRover »
It's politics/economics/humanity even, viewed through a football kaleidoscope, it's all about winning and losing.

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Re: Brexit - how well is it going?
« Reply #69 on January 05, 2024, 06:59:11 am by ncRover »
I find it fascinating the way people over on the right wing fringes actively want the EU to fail. It's like they have absolutely zero comprehension of history or geopolitics, or of the fact that the zero sum approach to international economics was understood to be b*llocks 200 years ago. They think it's all something that will happen to Them while We sail on. If They lose, We win.

Interesting post.

Globalisation is beneficial to everyone but also inevitable in the technological age.

Any system in this world creates problems, we will never move in a perfect world.

But that doesn’t mean that the problems of today need to be solved by going backwards and throwing the baby out with the bath water.

We aren’t exactly a trailblazing example to inspire a wave of EU departures.

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« Reply #70 on January 05, 2024, 09:28:21 am by selby »
  Billy, probably something to do with the EU leaders and the Quislings in this country including Starmer openly getting together to undermine a democratic vote, openly stating they were going to bring in measures to punish us, were going to wreck our financial services industry openly trying to entice them to Paris and Germany (that went well) , people like yourself and Syd making out people who didn't vote the way you wanted them to are thick and openly saying so. And after seven years being degenerate to other posters and coming across as tiresome pricks.

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« Reply #71 on January 05, 2024, 09:38:03 am by SydneyRover »
and yet selby, it sounds like you're the really bitter one, aye?

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« Reply #72 on January 05, 2024, 09:54:35 am by ravenrover »
Selby have a look at How they Broke Britain by James O'Brien especially the chapters on Murdoch and Dacre

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Re: Brexit - how well is it going?
« Reply #73 on January 05, 2024, 12:56:39 pm by BillyStubbsTears »
  Billy, probably something to do with the EU leaders and the Quislings in this country including Starmer openly getting together to undermine a democratic vote, openly stating they were going to bring in measures to punish us, were going to wreck our financial services industry openly trying to entice them to Paris and Germany (that went well) , people like yourself and Syd making out people who didn't vote the way you wanted them to are thick and openly saying so. And after seven years being degenerate to other posters and coming across as tiresome pricks.

Churchill once said the best argument against democracy was a 5 minute chat with the average voter. I suspect he was thinking of you. A head poisoned by far right bile and impervious to seeing anything else.

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« Reply #74 on January 05, 2024, 01:56:57 pm by belton rover »
  Billy, probably something to do with the EU leaders and the Quislings in this country including Starmer openly getting together to undermine a democratic vote, openly stating they were going to bring in measures to punish us, were going to wreck our financial services industry openly trying to entice them to Paris and Germany (that went well) , people like yourself and Syd making out people who didn't vote the way you wanted them to are thick and openly saying so. And after seven years being degenerate to other posters and coming across as tiresome pricks.

Churchill once said the best argument against democracy was a 5 minute chat with the average voter. I suspect he was thinking of you. A head poisoned by far right bile and impervious to seeing anything else.
If you think that’s a true reflection of the average voter (not Selby, your description of him), then there lies the problem with your view of the people of this country.

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« Reply #75 on January 05, 2024, 02:31:24 pm by BillyStubbsTears »
Belton.

I'm simply saying what the greatest leader our country ever had said.

But, since you ask, do you remember the opinion poll in the week of the Brexit vote, where half the respondents said they believed we DID give £350m/week to the EU.

THE most important vote in half a century.

A lie that had been thoroughly and totally debunked.

And half the population were so unwilling or unable to engage with basic facts that they believed the lie to be true.

If that doesn't give you pause for thought on the limitations of democracy, I'm not sure what would.

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« Reply #76 on January 05, 2024, 02:41:52 pm by belton rover »
Belton.

I'm simply saying what the greatest leader our country ever had said.

But, since you ask, do you remember the opinion poll in the week of the Brexit vote, where half the respondents said they believed we DID give £350m/week to the EU.

THE most important vote in half a century.

A lie that had been thoroughly and totally debunked.

And half the population were so unwilling or unable to engage with basic facts that they believed the lie to be true.

If that doesn't give you pause for thought on the limitations of democracy, I'm not sure what would.
Of course it gives me pause for thought. But it doesn’t make me think that the average voter is someone who has been ‘poisoned by far right bile and impervious to anything else’. That’s your opinion, not Churchill’s. He didn’t say that.
I consider myself an ‘average voter’.
I agree that democracy is flawed, but my views on it are not nearly as extreme as yours are.

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« Reply #77 on January 05, 2024, 04:38:23 pm by BillyStubbsTears »
Belton.

I'm simply saying what the greatest leader our country ever had said.

But, since you ask, do you remember the opinion poll in the week of the Brexit vote, where half the respondents said they believed we DID give £350m/week to the EU.

THE most important vote in half a century.

A lie that had been thoroughly and totally debunked.

And half the population were so unwilling or unable to engage with basic facts that they believed the lie to be true.

If that doesn't give you pause for thought on the limitations of democracy, I'm not sure what would.
Of course it gives me pause for thought. But it doesn’t make me think that the average voter is someone who has been ‘poisoned by far right bile and impervious to anything else’. That’s your opinion, not Churchill’s. He didn’t say that.
I consider myself an ‘average voter’.
I agree that democracy is flawed, but my views on it are not nearly as extreme as yours are.

OK, for clarity, I was saying specifically that Selby is poisoned by far right bile. And yes, I see how it might come across that was meant to reflect my opinion of the average voter. It doesn't. It was poorly phrased by me.

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« Reply #78 on January 05, 2024, 05:46:50 pm by Sprotyrover »
and yet selby, it sounds like you're the really bitter one, aye?
This thread is only for people who have a Vote, not for Whinging Ozzie Pomms!

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« Reply #79 on January 05, 2024, 05:50:39 pm by Sprotyrover »
Belton.

I'm simply saying what the greatest leader our country ever had said.

But, since you ask, do you remember the opinion poll in the week of the Brexit vote, where half the respondents said they believed we DID give £350m/week to the EU.

THE most important vote in half a century.

A lie that had been thoroughly and totally debunked.

And half the population were so unwilling or unable to engage with basic facts that they believed the lie to be true.

If that doesn't give you pause for thought on the limitations of democracy, I'm not sure what would.
Of course it gives me pause for thought. But it doesn’t make me think that the average voter is someone who has been ‘poisoned by far right bile and impervious to anything else’. That’s your opinion, not Churchill’s. He didn’t say that.
I consider myself an ‘average voter’.
I agree that democracy is flawed, but my views on it are not nearly as extreme as yours are.

OK, for clarity, I was saying specifically that Selby is poisoned by far right bile. And yes, I see how it might come across that was meant to reflect my opinion of the average voter. It doesn't. It was poorly phrased by me.
How can a person who spouts anti Right wing bile such as yourself admire Winston Churchill!

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« Reply #80 on January 05, 2024, 07:20:49 pm by selby »
  Only thing that has  has poisoned me is reading the same winging clap trap, and reading your constant denigration of any poster that disagrees with you, and your constant wish to overturn a democratic vote by the people of this country.
  Think yourself lucky you live in these times, in years gone by you would have been hung drawn and quartered.

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« Reply #81 on January 05, 2024, 07:40:51 pm by SydneyRover »
Here's another example a bit off topic but not too far away from the crux of what is being discussed.

''More than a third of US adults say Biden’s 2020 victory was not legitimate
New poll finds just 62% believe Biden’s election win over Donald Trump was fair – down from 69% in December 2021''

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/jan/02/poll-biden-2020-election-illegitimate

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« Reply #82 on January 05, 2024, 08:17:38 pm by BillyStubbsTears »
  Only thing that has  has poisoned me is reading the same winging clap trap, and reading your constant denigration of any poster that disagrees with you, and your constant wish to overturn a democratic vote by the people of this country.
  Think yourself lucky you live in these times, in years gone by you would have been hung drawn and quartered.

Goodness, is it that time already.

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« Reply #83 on January 05, 2024, 08:34:07 pm by idler »
Well to answer both sides I voted leave purely because I didn’t want to be part of a federal Europe.
Has Brexit given me anything like I envisaged? Definitely not.
Would I have voted differently if I could have envisaged the sh***how that took place? Certainly.
Some leavers wanted out whatever the cost. I expected a civilised, mature negotiation. More fool me.
« Last Edit: January 05, 2024, 08:58:15 pm by idler »

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« Reply #84 on January 05, 2024, 08:44:19 pm by Filo »
Well to answer both sides I voted leave purely because I didn’t want to be part of a federal Europe.
Has Brexit given me anything like I envisaged? Definitely not.
Would I have voted differently if I could have envisaged the sh***how that took place. Certainly.
Some leavers wanted out whatever the cost. I expected a civilised, mature negotiation. More fool me.

This is exactly me, given the chance now I would vote to rejoin, and in a democracy we are allowed to change our minds

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« Reply #85 on January 05, 2024, 08:50:00 pm by BillyStubbsTears »
Bang on Filo.

The irony of boneheaded Leavers screaming "antidemocratic" at people who merely wanted a vote to confirm that a type of Brexit that had never been discussed in 2016, but that was then imposed on us by a far right cabal and a liar, was actually what the country wanted.

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« Reply #86 on January 05, 2024, 08:58:59 pm by BillyStubbsTears »
Take Jacob here.

Jacob clearly didn't know what he was voting for when he voted Leave in 2016.

https://twitter.com/Jacob_Rees_Mogg/status/1743242910533865506

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« Reply #87 on January 05, 2024, 09:16:08 pm by selby »
  I voted stay in, partly because I thought something like has happened would, mostly to stop the big hit I took that night on investments, I would vote stay out now, mostly to protect investments and the fact we would not go back on anywhere like the old terms and would be really skanked.

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« Reply #88 on January 05, 2024, 09:22:50 pm by SydneyRover »
It would be more convincing if you could show us where you said that selby

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« Reply #89 on January 05, 2024, 09:32:18 pm by belton rover »
I, too, regret the position we are in now, despite voting leave. But I don’t regret voting leave, if that makes sense.
What really, really irks me are the bitter remainers who tar everyone with the same racist, bigoted, gullible, thick kitson brush (there are quite a few on here who do that.
If there is another vote in my lifetime, I will have this experience to help me choose. Having said that, if there was a vote tomorrow, I would vote to rejoin. I may not feel the same way though in 20 years time.
I just wish the bitter ones amongst us would accept the democratic decision and move on.

 

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