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By the way Syd, I can't get over the remainer's never accepting the leave vote that was much wider in the UK than made out because anyone who lived abroad and were registered to vote up to 15yrs before the referendum were entitled to vote and obviuosly the vast majority of them would vote to stay especially the large numbers in Spain, France and the other EU countries. And for the first and only time anyone domiciled in Gibraltar who voted 98% to stay, their vote was added to the UK tally. The leave vote overcame a referendum set up to advantage the remain vote, had leaflets distributed to every address at the governments cost begging people to vote remain, and the BBC propaganda machine broadcasting to the very last minute encouraging people to vote remain, and every top politician from the PM down supporting the remain side of the referendum. And you say a message on the side of a bus and a second world war photograph with Farage in front of it defeated all that, and not the fact that the EU was morphing into a state of its own where the UK electorate would have no control over laws and the way they progressed as a country, then I think those who think that are thicker than I have given them credit for in the past. And the leave side of the argument had the more polished speakers, speakers who gave the impression they cared and were not part of the EU cartel or the plum in the mouth British establishment that has always thought the working class were subservient who did themselves no good preaching to our population and actually saying they would make it difficult for us if we left appealing to our B******S to you attitude. Anyway things world wide seem to be conspiring against the EU now we have left, their ambition of flattening our banking system has failed spectacularly, and they have long memories, and the world is a very different place with Europe in general losing their place in the world as we have done, and their condescending attitude is not going to push buttons much longer.
Quote from: selby on January 04, 2024, 05:04:30 pm By the way Syd, I can't get over the remainer's never accepting the leave vote that was much wider in the UK than made out because anyone who lived abroad and were registered to vote up to 15yrs before the referendum were entitled to vote and obviuosly the vast majority of them would vote to stay especially the large numbers in Spain, France and the other EU countries. And for the first and only time anyone domiciled in Gibraltar who voted 98% to stay, their vote was added to the UK tally. The leave vote overcame a referendum set up to advantage the remain vote, had leaflets distributed to every address at the governments cost begging people to vote remain, and the BBC propaganda machine broadcasting to the very last minute encouraging people to vote remain, and every top politician from the PM down supporting the remain side of the referendum. And you say a message on the side of a bus and a second world war photograph with Farage in front of it defeated all that, and not the fact that the EU was morphing into a state of its own where the UK electorate would have no control over laws and the way they progressed as a country, then I think those who think that are thicker than I have given them credit for in the past. And the leave side of the argument had the more polished speakers, speakers who gave the impression they cared and were not part of the EU cartel or the plum in the mouth British establishment that has always thought the working class were subservient who did themselves no good preaching to our population and actually saying they would make it difficult for us if we left appealing to our B******S to you attitude. Anyway things world wide seem to be conspiring against the EU now we have left, their ambition of flattening our banking system has failed spectacularly, and they have long memories, and the world is a very different place with Europe in general losing their place in the world as we have done, and their condescending attitude is not going to push buttons much longer.It certainly seems that there are some posters not mature enough to grasp that people can have a differing opinion to them unless they were lied to. Should I name names? Maybe not now, wouldn’t want to step on any toes
I find it fascinating the way people over on the right wing fringes actively want the EU to fail. It's like they have absolutely zero comprehension of history or geopolitics, or of the fact that the zero sum approach to international economics was understood to be b*llocks 200 years ago. They think it's all something that will happen to Them while We sail on. If They lose, We win.
Billy, probably something to do with the EU leaders and the Quislings in this country including Starmer openly getting together to undermine a democratic vote, openly stating they were going to bring in measures to punish us, were going to wreck our financial services industry openly trying to entice them to Paris and Germany (that went well) , people like yourself and Syd making out people who didn't vote the way you wanted them to are thick and openly saying so. And after seven years being degenerate to other posters and coming across as tiresome pricks.
Quote from: selby on January 05, 2024, 09:28:21 am Billy, probably something to do with the EU leaders and the Quislings in this country including Starmer openly getting together to undermine a democratic vote, openly stating they were going to bring in measures to punish us, were going to wreck our financial services industry openly trying to entice them to Paris and Germany (that went well) , people like yourself and Syd making out people who didn't vote the way you wanted them to are thick and openly saying so. And after seven years being degenerate to other posters and coming across as tiresome pricks.Churchill once said the best argument against democracy was a 5 minute chat with the average voter. I suspect he was thinking of you. A head poisoned by far right bile and impervious to seeing anything else.
Belton.I'm simply saying what the greatest leader our country ever had said.But, since you ask, do you remember the opinion poll in the week of the Brexit vote, where half the respondents said they believed we DID give £350m/week to the EU.THE most important vote in half a century. A lie that had been thoroughly and totally debunked.And half the population were so unwilling or unable to engage with basic facts that they believed the lie to be true.If that doesn't give you pause for thought on the limitations of democracy, I'm not sure what would.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on January 05, 2024, 02:31:24 pmBelton.I'm simply saying what the greatest leader our country ever had said.But, since you ask, do you remember the opinion poll in the week of the Brexit vote, where half the respondents said they believed we DID give £350m/week to the EU.THE most important vote in half a century. A lie that had been thoroughly and totally debunked.And half the population were so unwilling or unable to engage with basic facts that they believed the lie to be true.If that doesn't give you pause for thought on the limitations of democracy, I'm not sure what would. Of course it gives me pause for thought. But it doesn’t make me think that the average voter is someone who has been ‘poisoned by far right bile and impervious to anything else’. That’s your opinion, not Churchill’s. He didn’t say that.I consider myself an ‘average voter’.I agree that democracy is flawed, but my views on it are not nearly as extreme as yours are.
and yet selby, it sounds like you're the really bitter one, aye?
Quote from: belton rover on January 05, 2024, 02:41:52 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on January 05, 2024, 02:31:24 pmBelton.I'm simply saying what the greatest leader our country ever had said.But, since you ask, do you remember the opinion poll in the week of the Brexit vote, where half the respondents said they believed we DID give £350m/week to the EU.THE most important vote in half a century. A lie that had been thoroughly and totally debunked.And half the population were so unwilling or unable to engage with basic facts that they believed the lie to be true.If that doesn't give you pause for thought on the limitations of democracy, I'm not sure what would. Of course it gives me pause for thought. But it doesn’t make me think that the average voter is someone who has been ‘poisoned by far right bile and impervious to anything else’. That’s your opinion, not Churchill’s. He didn’t say that.I consider myself an ‘average voter’.I agree that democracy is flawed, but my views on it are not nearly as extreme as yours are.OK, for clarity, I was saying specifically that Selby is poisoned by far right bile. And yes, I see how it might come across that was meant to reflect my opinion of the average voter. It doesn't. It was poorly phrased by me.
Only thing that has has poisoned me is reading the same winging clap trap, and reading your constant denigration of any poster that disagrees with you, and your constant wish to overturn a democratic vote by the people of this country. Think yourself lucky you live in these times, in years gone by you would have been hung drawn and quartered.
Well to answer both sides I voted leave purely because I didn’t want to be part of a federal Europe.Has Brexit given me anything like I envisaged? Definitely not. Would I have voted differently if I could have envisaged the sh***how that took place. Certainly.Some leavers wanted out whatever the cost. I expected a civilised, mature negotiation. More fool me.