Tucker Carlson

[BillyStubbsTears]

Says Russia is wonderful and implies it's because their leader is so much better than America's.
https://twitter.com/TPostMillennial/status/1758158808835125642/mediaViewer?currentTweet=1758158808835125642&currentTweetUser=TPostMillennial

In other, totally unconnected news.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-68315943

[ncRover]

I’m glad you brought this up. What an absolute helmet he is.

Rich man is surprised a strong currency can buy you lots of stuff in a poor country. Wow.

The American right seem to prefer Putin and Russia because they are obsessed with anything “anti-woke” to the point they would support their enemy. The global world order would fall but at least there’d be no big pharma or drag queens.

For the fringe right and left, the west is an evil imperial force that cannot be trusted. But they’ll trust a dictator who sends his political and journalistic opponents to jail instead.

I thought this was a good piece by David Cameron:

https://thehill.com/opinion/international/4465907-david-cameron-pass-ukraine-funding-for-the-sake-of-global-security/

There were Americans in the 1940s who didn’t want to get involved in WW2 let’s not forget.

[BillyStubbsTears]

One thing Carlson isn't is stupid.

He's got an audience of tens of millions who adore Trump.

Trump has to win the Presidency again if he's not going to have his empire dismembered.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-us-canada-68132436

And here's the thing.

Trump doesn't only need to win the Presidency. He needs to either never leave the Presidency once he's there, or to destroy the legal system.

Otherwise, Trump WILL end his days bankrupt and in clink.

What Carlson's doing here is softening up the Trump supporters to think "Hey, maybe a democracy-destroying demagogue in charge ain't such a bad thing."

[Bristol Red Rover]

I’m glad you brought this up. What an absolute helmet he is.

Rich man is surprised a strong currency can buy you lots of stuff in a poor country. Wow.

The American right seem to prefer Putin and Russia because they are obsessed with anything “anti-woke” to the point they would support their enemy. The global world order would fall but at least there’d be no big pharma or drag queens.

For the fringe right and left, the west is an evil imperial force that cannot be trusted. But they’ll trust a dictator who sends his political and journalistic opponents to jail instead.

I thought this was a good piece by David Cameron:

https://thehill.com/opinion/international/4465907-david-cameron-pass-ukraine-funding-for-the-sake-of-global-security/

There were Americans in the 1940s who didn’t want to get involved in WW2 let’s not forget.

Cameron bigging up the UK support for Israel in its genocidal thrust. Bigging up the way the UK bombed Yemen making it's own shipping a target whereas it wasn't before. And freedom in Ukraine - "freedom" meaning the US attempted, and failing, takeover of Ukraine, killing hundreds of thousands and destroying the country.

And then Cameron goes onto spread propaganda around the death stats in Ukraine, and bigging up the conspiracy theory of Russian advancing westwards - "the Klingons are a coming!" No loss of NATO service personel - erm.... a wooden nose growng on that one.

Really NC, I think you can choose less one dimensional allies than that.

Back on topic, yes Carlson in an arse. So is Trump, and so is Biden. What does that say? Oh yes, so is Putin, but he does have a brain, he is at least someone who can play the role of head gangster rather than be the pathetic puppets as the US contingent, and Sunak and Starmer. I'd even say the same about Natanyahu - he's a fairly skilled payer in those circles. They are all the lowest of people, the power players, the gangsters, all of them.

[Bristol Red Rover]

In other, totally unconnected news.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-68315943

Unconnected it - why mention it?

Gonzalo Lira similarly died in Ukraine custody recently. Julian Assange is imprisoned here in the west. There's nothing I know bad about either of them. Navalny wanted muslims exterminated due to them being cockroaches. Other very dodgy ideas too. So, rather than blithely publicising the BBC narrative, why not show some intelligent critique here? I'm not defending Russia, just saying the story is not as one dimentional as you have placed it.

[Glyn_Wigley]

The leading opposition politician in Russia has just suddenly died in prison, regardless of what his views were. How many other dimensions to that are there?

[BillyStubbsTears]

The leading opposition politician in Russia has just suddenly died in prison, regardless of what his views were. How many other dimensions to that are there?

Ask BRR. He once told us that the way Putin deals with his domestic enemies is similar to the way "the Establishment" dealt with Corbyn.

What a f**king world, eh?

[Bristol Red Rover]

The leading opposition politician in Russia has just suddenly died in prison, regardless of what his views were. How many other dimensions to that are there?

Read about the guy, then tell me. Better still tell me about Gonzalo Lira in Ukraine prison. Or just read my post - looks like you latched onto one phrase and managed to ignore the rest - one dimensional you could say.

[SydneyRover]

The leading opposition politician in Russia has just suddenly died in prison, regardless of what his views were. How many other dimensions to that are there?

Read about the guy, then tell me. Better still tell me about Gonzalo Lira in Ukraine prison. Or just read my post - looks like you latched onto one phrase and managed to ignore the rest - one dimensional you could say.

Gonzalo Lira

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gonzalo_Lira

You can amend wiki with your own version, but you'll have to show why (unless there is a ready made conspiracy theory why you can't of course)

oops nearly forgot, remind me what the connections are?

[Colin C No.3]

Comparing Gonzalo Lira with Alexe Navalny in any way, shape or form shows you have absolutely no idea or conception of what is happening in world affairs, absolutely none.

You have taken up more space on this platform spouting anti west shite (I won’t credit you with the mental capacity to call you a propagandist), to the extent that you would have us ‘believe’ (no one has bought or is buying your crap in case you haven’t noticed) that Russia’s invasion of Ukraine is (& although you’ve not dared go as far as to use the word but have ‘danced’ around it for page after page after f***ing page) legitimate.

Legitimate.

Because Russia invaded Crimea to free its ‘Russian population’ from fascists….bollox.

Legitimate.

Because ‘the west’ has sought to ‘encroach’ upon Russian borders & has always ‘used’ Ukraine to antagonise the Russian’s into believing NATO would eventually embrace Ukraine into the Organisation so leaving Russia with little option but to ‘defend’ its borders by invading…..bollox.

Legitimate.

Because Ukraine has & is carrying out as many atrocities on civilians during Russia’s ‘Special Military Operation’ as Russia has been accused of…….bollox.

Now & again after realising even your rhetoric has gone beyond the realms of sanity you’ll ’pop in’ the odd sentence “I’m not saying that I agree with what Russia has done…”.

Not agreeing with what Russia has done? WHAT RUSSIA HAS DONE!?

Where the f**k do we start?!

Ever thought where all ‘this’ will end? Really thought?

Have you bollox you narrow minded hypocritical tw*t.

That’s me done except to say, I hope one day you will wash your hands of democracy, pack your bags & take your misguided ‘views’ (I suddenly feel prone to being ‘gentler’. A bit like seeing a rabid dog being put down & thinking ‘who knows how it became infected?’.) to a place where your views will see you receive an ‘Order of Merit’ & you can walk the streets with ‘like minded individuals’ except of course that’s exactly what you’ll be. Just an individual with no recourse to express your ‘views’ as you do now in this ‘corrupt western society’, unless of course you wish the same fate as suffered by Alexe Navalny.

[ncRover]

Russian police arresting people for laying flowers at memorials for political prisoners.

I wonder if the response to this will be “but Biden is bad as well”.

[Branton Red]

I’m glad you brought this up. What an absolute helmet he is.

Rich man is surprised a strong currency can buy you lots of stuff in a poor country. Wow.

The American right seem to prefer Putin and Russia because they are obsessed with anything “anti-woke” to the point they would support their enemy. The global world order would fall but at least there’d be no big pharma or drag queens.

For the fringe right and left, the west is an evil imperial force that cannot be trusted. But they’ll trust a dictator who sends his political and journalistic opponents to jail instead.

I thought this was a good piece by David Cameron:

https://thehill.com/opinion/international/4465907-david-cameron-pass-ukraine-funding-for-the-sake-of-global-security/

There were Americans in the 1940s who didn’t want to get involved in WW2 let’s not forget.

That's an excellent article from Cameron. It's reassuring to know the UK is so steadfast on this most important of issues. Thank you for sharing.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Russian police arresting people for laying flowers at memorials for political prisoners.

I wonder if the response to this will be “but Biden is bad as well”.

What you have to realise is that it is absolutely pointless trying to argue with people like this. They are like religious fundamentalists. They've been infused with this certainty that there's a simple, underpinning truth that explains everything if only people would embrace it.

Religious fundamentalists believe whatever happens, it's all God's will, and you simply cannot reason with that or shake that belief.

Far left/right tankies believe that the greatest evil in the world is Western capitalism, and they will not be shaken from that belief by anything. So anyone who is against the West must not be criticised. If they do something manifestly evil, you say "Yeah, but, the West has done X, Y and Z, so you mustn't judge".

And just as religious zealots believe they've seen the truth and everyone else has their vision obscured, so the far left/right tankies think that they have this clarity of sight, whole everyone else is indoctrinated by The Elite and their media.

It's is absolutely pointless trying to change their minds. You just need to point out how f**king stupid their reasoning is, and maybe stop them infecting other people.

[drfchound]

Regarding that piece by Cameron, of course that weapons spending will increase the ND and that in turn will give ammunition (not the wrong word) to the LP who constantly criticise the government.
Yeah, I know that is what the opposition do.

[Bristol Red Rover]

Comparing Gonzalo Lira with Alexe Navalny in any way, shape or form shows you have absolutely no idea or conception of what is happening in world affairs, absolutely none.

You have taken up more space on this platform spouting anti west shite (I won’t credit you with the mental capacity to call you a propagandist), to the extent that you would have us ‘believe’ (no one has bought or is buying your crap in case you haven’t noticed) that Russia’s invasion of Ukraine is (& although you’ve not dared go as far as to use the word but have ‘danced’ around it for page after page after f***ing page) legitimate.

Legitimate.

Because Russia invaded Crimea to free its ‘Russian population’ from fascists….bollox.

Legitimate.

Because ‘the west’ has sought to ‘encroach’ upon Russian borders & has always ‘used’ Ukraine to antagonise the Russian’s into believing NATO would eventually embrace Ukraine into the Organisation so leaving Russia with little option but to ‘defend’ its borders by invading…..bollox.

Legitimate.

Because Ukraine has & is carrying out as many atrocities on civilians during Russia’s ‘Special Military Operation’ as Russia has been accused of…….bollox.

Now & again after realising even your rhetoric has gone beyond the realms of sanity you’ll ’pop in’ the odd sentence “I’m not saying that I agree with what Russia has done…”.

Not agreeing with what Russia has done? WHAT RUSSIA HAS DONE!?

Where the f**k do we start?!

Ever thought where all ‘this’ will end? Really thought?

Have you bollox you narrow minded hypocritical tw*t.

That’s me done except to say, I hope one day you will wash your hands of democracy, pack your bags & take your misguided ‘views’ (I suddenly feel prone to being ‘gentler’. A bit like seeing a rabid dog being put down & thinking ‘who knows how it became infected?’.) to a place where your views will see you receive an ‘Order of Merit’ & you can walk the streets with ‘like minded individuals’ except of course that’s exactly what you’ll be. Just an individual with no recourse to express your ‘views’ as you do now in this ‘corrupt western society’, unless of course you wish the same fate as suffered by Alexe Navalny.

Oh dear.

[Bristol Red Rover]

The leading opposition politician in Russia has just suddenly died in prison, regardless of what his views were. How many other dimensions to that are there?

Read about the guy, then tell me. Better still tell me about Gonzalo Lira in Ukraine prison. Or just read my post - looks like you latched onto one phrase and managed to ignore the rest - one dimensional you could say.

Gonzalo Lira

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gonzalo_Lira

You can amend wiki with your own version, but you'll have to show why (unless there is a ready made conspiracy theory why you can't of course)

oops nearly forgot, remind me what the connections are?

There the connection is people criticising the current regime dying in captivity. Obviously.

Ukraine is no different than Russia that way.

And Assange?

[Glyn_Wigley]

The leading opposition politician in Russia has just suddenly died in prison, regardless of what his views were. How many other dimensions to that are there?

Read about the guy, then tell me.

No, YOU said there are more dimensions to this. What are they, other than the basic fact that someone opposed to Putin has suddenly died in prison? The views the man may or not have held are irrelevant to that fact.

I couldn't give a stuff about Gonzalo Liza, which is why I haven't mentioned him so stop trying to evade the issue by going down an irrelevant rabbithole...unless you're trying to connect the two by implying Navalny has been killed in some sort of weird act of revenge.

[Glyn_Wigley]

The leading opposition politician in Russia has just suddenly died in prison, regardless of what his views were. How many other dimensions to that are there?

Read about the guy, then tell me. Better still tell me about Gonzalo Lira in Ukraine prison. Or just read my post - looks like you latched onto one phrase and managed to ignore the rest - one dimensional you could say.

Gonzalo Lira

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gonzalo_Lira

You can amend wiki with your own version, but you'll have to show why (unless there is a ready made conspiracy theory why you can't of course)

oops nearly forgot, remind me what the connections are?

There the connection is people criticising the current regime dying in captivity. Obviously.

Ukraine is no different than Russia that way.

And Assange?

So what? I'm talking about RUSSIA, not any other country. If I wanted to talk about any prisoner who's died in any other country I'd have asked about them. And by the way all you can do is to point your finger somewhere else it's blindingly obvious that know ther are no other dimensions to this (the term that YOU used) and you know it.

[Bristol Red Rover]

So you have an agenda with Russia. Just that is one dimensional.

[Glyn_Wigley]

So you have an agenda with Russia. Just that is one dimensional.

I don't have an agenda, I just asked what dimensions you think there are other the basic facts.

However, your agenda of swerving every awkward question by either ignoring it or trying to introduce  irrelevancies at every turn is more and more apparent with every post you make.

[Bristol Red Rover]

The reason I choose to highlight others who've died is mainly because I don't buy into the obvious political posturing around this - note the BBC swamping of this story. The posturing that is targeting Russia as the bad guys whilst ignoring,  or lowering the sights on, the other bad guys. I have no love of Russian politics, its the same greedy abusive elites, gangsterism, over ordinary people that occurs in most places. Ukraine is the in your face other place, hence I mentioned Lira as an obvious example.

And then Lira was just blogging on issues. I don't think he has an aggressive inciteful racist attitude to any people, calling for their extermination. However, in what he does he challenges the Western perspectives on a war the UK is promoting. Navalny is against someone the UK is at war with.

And then geopolitics - the US thinks it can gain influence and reduce Russian influence if Navalny were to be rousing anti Putin feelings.

Why don't you don't care about others?

[Glyn_Wigley]

The reason I choose to highlight others who've died is mainly because I don't buy into the obvious political posturing around this - note the BBC swamping of this story. The posturing that is targeting Russia as the bad guys whilst ignoring,  or lowering the sights on, the other bad guys. I have no love of Russian politics, its the same greedy abusive elites, gangsterism, over ordinary people that occurs in most places. Ukraine is the in your face other place, hence I mentioned Lira as an obvious example.

And then Lira was just blogging on issues. I don't think he has an aggressive inciteful racist attitude to any people, calling for their extermination. However, in what he does he challenges the Western perspectives on a war the UK is promoting. Navalny is against someone the UK is at war with.

And then geopolitics - the US thinks it can gain influence and reduce Russian influence if Navalny were to be rousing anti Putin feelings.

Why don't you don't care about others?

I might care about other deaths if I knew something about them but they are not relevant to Navalny's death.

I don't want to hear about them in this thread because I want to know what you think are the other possible dimensions to Navalny's death. That is the one and only thing I've asked you. Not about anyone else's death so shut up about them and answer my question.

Or are you going to not answer - yet again - by throwing yet more stuff I'm not interested in at me in lieu of telling me the other dimensions to Navalny's death?

[Bristol Red Rover]

I just told you some. Seems you're angry, and rude. I'll leave you to it.

[ncRover]

Russian police arresting people for laying flowers at memorials for political prisoners.

I wonder if the response to this will be “but Biden is bad as well”.

What you have to realise is that it is absolutely pointless trying to argue with people like this. They are like religious fundamentalists. They've been infused with this certainty that there's a simple, underpinning truth that explains everything if only people would embrace it.

Religious fundamentalists believe whatever happens, it's all God's will, and you simply cannot reason with that or shake that belief.

Far left/right tankies believe that the greatest evil in the world is Western capitalism, and they will not be shaken from that belief by anything. So anyone who is against the West must not be criticised. If they do something manifestly evil, you say "Yeah, but, the West has done X, Y and Z, so you mustn't judge".

And just as religious zealots believe they've seen the truth and everyone else has their vision obscured, so the far left/right tankies think that they have this clarity of sight, whole everyone else is indoctrinated by The Elite and their media.

It's is absolutely pointless trying to change their minds. You just need to point out how f**king stupid their reasoning is, and maybe stop them infecting other people.

They are trade-off denialists.

[Glyn_Wigley]

I just told you some. Seems you're angry, and rude. I'll leave you to it.

No, you told me completely unrelated stuff that in i way can be 'another dimension' to the circumstances of Navalny's death.

Of course you'll leave me to it, because you know you're looking a fool and are trying to extricate yourself from your own words by playing the indignant card.

[ravenrover]

I see Navalny was visited by the specials a couple of daysbefore he suddenly died for some unknown reason.
Also thete appears to be problems in the handing over his body. I wonder if it will be cremated and disposed of somewhere in Siberia?

[Bristol Red Rover]

Russian police arresting people for laying flowers at memorials for political prisoners.

I wonder if the response to this will be “but Biden is bad as well”.

What you have to realise is that it is absolutely pointless trying to argue with people like this. They are like religious fundamentalists. They've been infused with this certainty that there's a simple, underpinning truth that explains everything if only people would embrace it.

Religious fundamentalists believe whatever happens, it's all God's will, and you simply cannot reason with that or shake that belief.

Far left/right tankies believe that the greatest evil in the world is Western capitalism, and they will not be shaken from that belief by anything. So anyone who is against the West must not be criticised. If they do something manifestly evil, you say "Yeah, but, the West has done X, Y and Z, so you mustn't judge".

And just as religious zealots believe they've seen the truth and everyone else has their vision obscured, so the far left/right tankies think that they have this clarity of sight, whole everyone else is indoctrinated by The Elite and their media.

It's is absolutely pointless trying to change their minds. You just need to point out how f**king stupid their reasoning is, and maybe stop them infecting other people.

Thing is BST is wrapped up in his narrative, executed above, he is even unable to see things from the other side. More so, his fixation on his "anti-both sidism" philosophy chains him into the conflict he is fed - like an impassioned footy fan - and disables him from seeing the bigger picture, the "game". He cannot see when his narrative doesn't apply,  how there may be a different perspective which isn't so obsequious in base.

In UK politics, he doesn't like Tories, so he is impassioned behind the team playing them whatever they are.

Be honest BST. You can hate Sunak, Trump, Hamas, Barnsley and Putin and still criticise Starmer, Reeves, Blair, Biden, Zelensky, Natanyahu, and Rovers.

[Bristol Red Rover]

I just told you some. Seems you're angry, and rude. I'll leave you to it.

No, you told me completely unrelated stuff that in i way can be 'another dimension' to the circumstances of Navalny's death.

Of course you'll leave me to it, because you know you're looking a fool and are trying to extricate yourself from your own words by playing the indignant card.

To save time, tell me what you do know about Navalny. Eg what his policies are. Who his friends are. Who is behind him. What international connections he has. What his health record is. That's all an eg for you. I doubt you have all those answers. But at least tell me something about his aims and who is behind him. We can go from there. Or maybe you can see what I meant by more dimensions both from what I already said, and me listing those questions/issues.

[BessieBlue]

Navalny stood for a free democratic Russia and like alot of the despot Putin's opponents he was assassinated for his views.

You only have to look at Putin's key allies - North Korea and Iran - shining beacons of free democratic society - to gain a true picture of Russia's current position in the world.

[Bristol Red Rover]

Navalny stood for a free democratic Russia and like alot of the despot Putin's opponents he was assassinated for his views.

You only have to look at Putin's key allies - North Korea and Iran - shining beacons of free democratic society - to gain a true picture of Russia's current position in the world.

Thats what you've been reading on the beeb is it? Well that must be the whole truth then. Or maybe you have read wider and actually have something of substance you're not saying. But do feel free to keep taking the soma pills if you prefer. It's a free country after all,  isn't it?