Flat track bullies?

[BillyStubbsTears]

Fascinating difference in our stats against lower sides and higher sides.

Against teams currently in the bottom 10 our record is:

P12 W8 D2 L2 F22 A10 PTS26 PPG2.17
Average result W 2-1

Against teams currently in the top 14 it is:

P20 W2 D4 L14 F20 A47 PTS10 PPG0.5
Average result L 1-2.5

That's a very stark difference. Got to start somewhere, obviously, and it's great that we can put poorer sides to the sword like today. But we certainly need to demonstrate that we can perform better against higher sides over the rest of the season.

[drfchound]

Stats can soon be made to look different though.
Out of interest what would that look like if you showed results against top half and bottom half teams.

[ravenrover]

I wonder what positions those top14 were in when we played them

[dickos1]

Can always rely on Billy to put a negative spin on it

[adamtherover]

I wonder what positions those top14 were in when we played them

crawley were in the playoffs when we beat them..

[dickos1]

Think Gillingham were 3rd

[nice one rovers]

The top half stats really highlight how poor the defence has been.  Should see an improvement in that now

[GazLaz]

According to the data, performances in the recent upturn in results haven’t been as good as people think.

We were in a position where results mattered more than performances, so that’s great. Longer term, the jury is still out.

In the last 4 games our attacking and defensive outputs exactly correspond with the season averages…

[adamtherover]

According to the data, performances in the recent upturn in results haven’t been as good as people think.

We were in a position where results mattered more than performances, so that’s great. Longer term, the jury is still out.

In the last 4 games our attacking and defensive outputs exactly correspond with the season averages…

in the last 4 games, we have scored 9 and conceded 5, so over the season, would have a healthy goal difference.  But our current gd is minus 15, so how is the current run in line with the seasons attacking and defensive averages?

[BillyStubbsTears]

Can always rely on Billy to put a negative spin on it

As ever, you are incapable of separating "negative" from "balanced".

Yesterday was very enjoyable. I assume though that we have ambitions beyond caning the worst sides in the country and losing to everyone else?

[ncRover]

According to the data, performances in the recent upturn in results haven’t been as good as people think.

We were in a position where results mattered more than performances, so that’s great. Longer term, the jury is still out.

In the last 4 games our attacking and defensive outputs exactly correspond with the season averages…

I think this is where the eye test becomes a powerful tool Gaz.

The actual goals in our last 3 games have been much better quality in their build up and execution. Everything was a bit scruffy and lucky before. Perhaps the make up of the defence invites pressure but we have defended our box much better too. That’s where the game is won and lost.

Looking at xG created and conceded, Barrow aren’t much better than us. But they’re way ahead in the actual table and everyone gets a stiffy over their manager.

I think the duels won by the team is a very important foundation for success in this division. We haven’t been outfought in the last 4 games.

I think we get a bit of an inferiority complex when playing the likes of Wrexham, Notts, Bradford and Stockport but the mentality of the team is getting stronger and stronger.

[Colin C No.3]

Can always rely on Billy to put a negative spin on it

As ever, you are incapable of separating "negative" from "balanced".

Yesterday was very enjoyable. I assume though that we have ambitions beyond caning the worst sides in the country and losing to everyone else?

So Wimbledon might be the acid test as to how much we’re progressing & whether this ‘mini turnaround’ is really something to feel positive about moving forward?

Or does the data tell us to ‘sit down & shut up’?

[BillyStubbsTears]

Wimbledon will be a very interesting one. They are a decent side over the season as a whole. But their away form over the past 5 months has made us look good.

P11 W1 D5 L5

[dickos1]

Can always rely on Billy to put a negative spin on it

As ever, you are incapable of separating "negative" from "balanced".

Yesterday was very enjoyable. I assume though that we have ambitions beyond caning the worst sides in the country and losing to everyone else?

No it’s just nonsense
If we played someone who was top of the league in October it’s pretty irrelevent where they are now, some 6 months later

[dickos1]

According to the data, performances in the recent upturn in results haven’t been as good as people think.

We were in a position where results mattered more than performances, so that’s great. Longer term, the jury is still out.

In the last 4 games our attacking and defensive outputs exactly correspond with the season averages…

I think that must tell you though that stats aren’t everything. Our defensive output over the last 3 games has been significantly better than the rest of the season. It’s been miles better.
That’s obvious,
Our physicality over the last 2 games has been nothing like the rest of the season,
Yesterday we looked dangerous everytime we had the ball, that’s definitely not been the case for the rest of the season.
We’ve improved significantly in the last 2 games I think, regardless of what the stats say

[BillyStubbsTears]

I wonder what positions those top14 were in when we played them

crawley were in the playoffs when we beat them..

Crawley had played 10 games when we played them. Mostly against struggling sides. You cannot judge the real quality of a side after 10 games.

When we played them, they were embarking on a run, which currently stands at:

P21 W7 D2 L12.

That's bottom 6 form for half a season and that is far closer to their actually quality than a table snapshot after 10 games.

[Michael Shaw]

Fascinating   ...?

[BillyStubbsTears]

Fascinating   ...?

Well aye. Given the choice between being fascinated by that, or by owt you contribute...

[BigH]

Fascinating difference in our stats against lower sides and higher sides.

Against teams currently in the bottom 10 our record is:

P12 W8 D2 L2 F22 A10 PTS26 PPG2.17
Average result W 2-1

Against teams currently in the top 14 it is:

P20 W2 D4 L14 F20 A47 PTS10 PPG0.5
Average result L 1-2.5

That's a very stark difference. Got to start somewhere, obviously, and it's great that we can put poorer sides to the sword like today. But we certainly need to demonstrate that we can perform better against higher sides over the rest of the season.

Suggests we’ll get another 25-26 points to finish on 61-62?

What’s that a 14th or 15th place finish?


What odds can you get on that?

[BillyStubbsTears]

Think Gillingham were 3rd

And the point of this is?

[dickos1]

Think Gillingham were 3rd

And the point of this is?

You know the point
League positions change all the time, the only important point is when they are when we play them or where they finish at the end of the season.
To pick and choose where they are months after is absolute nonsense. And just screams of someone searching for anything negative 

[BillyStubbsTears]

Think Gillingham were 3rd

And the point of this is?

You know the point
League positions change all the time, the only important point is when they are when we play them or where they finish at the end of the season.
To pick and choose where they are months after is absolute nonsense. And just screams of someone searching for anything negative 

Nope.

Still don't understand why you have brought Gillingham into this.

They were in the top 14 when we played them. They are in the top 14 now.

[scawsby steve]

Can always rely on Billy to put a negative spin on it

That can't be true. According to you and others, "negative posters" don't come on here when we've won.

Yesterday was great, and 4 games unbeaten is very welcome, albeit against teams in the bottom 8.

Perspective.

[drfchound]

Why split it against teams in the top 14 and bottom 10 though.
Why not top 12 and bottom 12.
I can only think that it might show us in a better light.

[ravenrover]

Billy I asked about positions when we played them, were some in the top 14 now, in the lower half and vice versa? Were some always in the top 14? To make a point as the table stands now doesn't seem in context to me

[dickos1]

Can always rely on Billy to put a negative spin on it

That can't be true. According to you and others, "negative posters" don't come on here when we've won.

Yesterday was great, and 4 games unbeaten is very welcome, albeit against teams in the bottom 8.

Perspective.

But if you listen to Billy
It doesn’t matter where they are in the league at the minute we need to wait a few months and see where they are then

[NickDRFC]

Billy I asked about positions when we played them, were some in the top 14 now, in the lower half and vice versa? Were some always in the top 14? To make a point as the table stands now doesn't seem in context to me

For the first dozen games doesn’t necessarily mean a great deal. You could also adjust for form at the time (should that be last 6, 8 or 10 games? Home or away?), injuries, suspensions, managerial changes etc…it quickly becomes very complicated.

The teams at the bottom at this stage of the season are generally not very good and the teams at the top are better. It’s not that deep, it’s a pretty good indication that we’ve been very poor against the better teams this season and pretty good against the poorer ones.

[GazLaz]

8pts from the last 4 games. xPts is 4.75, we are running quite hot.

[pib]

Interesting how things can shift.

Wimbledon regarded as decent. Crawley not regarded as very good.

After tonight’s results (Wimbledon 0-1 Crawley) Crawley are only a point behind Wimbledon with a game in hand.

The waters are very much muddied as to who is a “good” side and who isn’t based on league position, as there are only 3 points separating 16th and 7th.

[Sammy Chung was King]

 Our recent resurgence smacks of a few players, realising they are playing for their futures. Also confidence being gained from things going right for us during games. I’m convinced we have a few bad apples in the basket in our squad. There has to be a reason why a manager as talented as McCann is at this level, hasn’t been able to get a tune out of them. Is it his inexperience at dealing with a situation like ours, or is it we’ve got our fair share of players that hide? I don’t know, but the recent good form has been great.