George Galloway MP

[tyke1962]

from the parrot 4/4/2020

''IMO Starmer is the best choice for leader of the Labour Party.
He speaks well and will probably give them a chance at the next GE''

I think the consensus was that Keith could be the acceptable face of a left leaning Labour Party Sydney in a way that Corbyn couldn't be given his history .

He certainly got the backing of the left during the leadership election on that ticket .

There wasn't anything wrong with Corbyn's policies , the problem was his history , Keith had none of that baggage .

That's not quite how it's played out hence my view has changed , how simple does it have to be Syd ? .

The delve in to the archives game on forums or even in real life has been done to death to try and discredit people who don't agree with them .

It's a favourite pastime of the liberal class so it comes as no surprise that you are playing this game other than engage in proper debate .

It's designed to shut your opponent up or keep the debate narrow when the debate takes them to uncomfortable places that go against their beliefs .

Keep em coming Syd .

[idler]

As said on tv tonight. If George Galloway is stood between, as he said two cheeks of the same arse and he is in the middle.
What does that make him?

[drfchound]

from the parrot 4/4/2020

''IMO Starmer is the best choice for leader of the Labour Party.
He speaks well and will probably give them a chance at the next GE''

I think the consensus was that Keith could be the acceptable face of a left leaning Labour Party Sydney in a way that Corbyn couldn't be given his history .

He certainly got the backing of the left during the leadership election on that ticket .

There wasn't anything wrong with Corbyn's policies , the problem was his history , Keith had none of that baggage .

That's not quite how it's played out hence my view has changed , how simple does it have to be Syd ? .

The delve in to the archives game on forums or even in real life has been done to death to try and discredit people who don't agree with them .

It's a favourite pastime of the liberal class so it comes as no surprise that you are playing this game other than engage in proper debate .

It's designed to shut your opponent up or keep the debate narrow when the debate takes them to uncomfortable places that go against their beliefs .

Keep em coming Syd .

There must be an aviary full of parrots on the Labour side of the fence tyke based on the views held in favour of Corbyn pre the 2019 battering compared to what some of them squawk about him since then.
Have you saved the screen shot Syd?

[SydneyRover]

When did you resign from the labour party tyke 1963?

asking for a friend

That's a lie for a start , you couldn't possibly have any friends .

I never joined at all in the end , I think the bit where Keith said he was building on the work started by Corbyn only to do the opposite might have had something to do with it .

So, you call Starmer out but can't keep your own word, sort of a fair weather friend.

How many heroes can you have

corbyn, starmer, mick (grow up) lynch and now galloway ............... for a couple of weeks at least aye?

oops forgot about andy burnham

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIuf_SPvX-Y

This is what you need to answer tyke ...............

[BillyStubbsTears]

from the parrot 4/4/2020

''IMO Starmer is the best choice for leader of the Labour Party.
He speaks well and will probably give them a chance at the next GE''

I think the consensus was that Keith could be the acceptable face of a left leaning Labour Party Sydney in a way that Corbyn couldn't be given his history .

He certainly got the backing of the left during the leadership election on that ticket .

There wasn't anything wrong with Corbyn's policies , the problem was his history , Keith had none of that baggage .

That's not quite how it's played out hence my view has changed , how simple does it have to be Syd ? .

The delve in to the archives game on forums or even in real life has been done to death to try and discredit people who don't agree with them .

It's a favourite pastime of the liberal class so it comes as no surprise that you are playing this game other than engage in proper debate .

It's designed to shut your opponent up or keep the debate narrow when the debate takes them to uncomfortable places that go against their beliefs .

Keep em coming Syd .

Aye. Corbyn had all the right domestic policies. He was just never, ever going to get elected. Fancy that eh?

And that's before you get started on his foreign policies, where he and his cronies did and still do bend over backwards to not criticise Putin.

[Bristol Red Rover]

Far-right and far-left overlap

- Mistrust of mainstream media
- Anti-globalist
- Anti-intervention in foreign affairs / wars
- Us versus “the elites”
- Prone to conspiracies

Is this you being against both far left/right, and those 5 "overlaps"? Would I be correct to infer that you are for centerists, and for the opposite of the 5 "overlaps"?

[Bristol Red Rover]

Aye. Corbyn had all the right domestic policies. He was just never, ever going to get elected. Fancy that eh?

And that's before you get started on his foreign policies, where he and his cronies did and still do bend over backwards to not criticise Putin.

Being as how his policies wouldn't have benefitted the super rich of course he wouldn't get elected, with the mass mainstream media narrative being controlled by those same super rich.

I think that's what you call democracy? And yet you bang on and on and on about other undemocratic nations. Are you a bit confused, or just super rich?

[SydneyRover]

Sydney. This trawling through the archives makes for really interesting reading, a bit creepy mind, but interesting.
If anyone was in any doubt that Starmer has lost all credibility over the last four years, they won’t be now.
Was that your intention?

As I have said, I don't have to think too much about what I would have said, but you know what is said about lack of truth and memory. As for creepy, is there something in your back catalogue?

If you can find where I have dubbed starmer as perfect you may have to do a bit of trawling yourself, if you look at those dishing it out on starmer they mostly don't have a position themselves, dd, selby, rabble ........ etc.

Starmer is the best man to defeat the tories imho.

[belton rover]

Sydney. This trawling through the archives makes for really interesting reading, a bit creepy mind, but interesting.
If anyone was in any doubt that Starmer has lost all credibility over the last four years, they won’t be now.
Was that your intention?

As I have said, I don't have to think too much about what I would have said, but you know what is said about lack of truth and memory. As for creepy, is there something in your back catalogue?

If you can find where I have dubbed starmer as perfect you may have to do a bit of trawling yourself, if you look at those dishing it out on starmer they mostly don't have a position themselves, dd, selby, rabble ........ etc.

Starmer is the best man to defeat the tories imho.

Baldrick could defeat the Tories at the next election. Without any help from a dachshund named Colin.

[SydneyRover]

Then put your house on a labour win belton

[BillyStubbsTears]

Sydney. This trawling through the archives makes for really interesting reading, a bit creepy mind, but interesting.
If anyone was in any doubt that Starmer has lost all credibility over the last four years, they won’t be now.
Was that your intention?

As I have said, I don't have to think too much about what I would have said, but you know what is said about lack of truth and memory. As for creepy, is there something in your back catalogue?

If you can find where I have dubbed starmer as perfect you may have to do a bit of trawling yourself, if you look at those dishing it out on starmer they mostly don't have a position themselves, dd, selby, rabble ........ etc.

Starmer is the best man to defeat the tories imho.

Baldrick could defeat the Tories at the next election. Without any help from a dachshund named Colin.

You reckon Labour would win the next Election with Corbyn as leader?

A man who wants Ukraine to lay down its weapons and give Putin the territory he has stolen.

A man who lost one election against a PM who literally couldn't get her mouth to work when put under pressure on the Election campaign trail.

Personally, as a Labour party member, I could not vote for a Corbyn- Milne-McCluskey-Murray controlled Labour party, given the current threat to Europe from Putin.

[Bristol Red Rover]

BST is displaying the same obsequious ways to the establishment as this Sky reporter interviewing Gorgeous George. Worth watching, hilarious! 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7p7CAyxHgg

[roverstillidie91]

I can see a shift moving away from the old traditional parties slowly which may be a good thing but not if you're like myself and don't want Tories in again next time.

It does certainly give Labour plenty to think about.

That said the independent candidate did get a good turn out as well but it is hard to see whether GG is in it for the publicity or to actually do it for the people of Rochdale. He said it was for Gaza however his constituents in that town I am sure have had it hard as well with 14 years of tories.

If this is replicated elsewhere and as the candidate for Labour wasn't endorsed by them it most likely needs an election where there isn't any controversy to see what the outcome is.

However if constituents start moving away from Labour as well as the Tories it could be a problem for Labour in my view.

[belton rover]

Sydney. This trawling through the archives makes for really interesting reading, a bit creepy mind, but interesting.
If anyone was in any doubt that Starmer has lost all credibility over the last four years, they won’t be now.
Was that your intention?

As I have said, I don't have to think too much about what I would have said, but you know what is said about lack of truth and memory. As for creepy, is there something in your back catalogue?

If you can find where I have dubbed starmer as perfect you may have to do a bit of trawling yourself, if you look at those dishing it out on starmer they mostly don't have a position themselves, dd, selby, rabble ........ etc.

Starmer is the best man to defeat the tories imho.

Baldrick could defeat the Tories at the next election. Without any help from a dachshund named Colin.

You reckon Labour would win the next Election with Corbyn as leader?

A man who wants Ukraine to lay down its weapons and give Putin the territory he has stolen.

A man who lost one election against a PM who literally couldn't get her mouth to work when put under pressure on the Election campaign trail.

Personally, as a Labour party member, I could not vote for a Corbyn- Milne-McCluskey-Murray controlled Labour party, given the current threat to Europe from Putin.

I think you should show Baldrick some damn respect man, rather than make political comparisons to Corbyn.

[SydneyRover]

As many have said George is a great orator and can put a good debate together , the way he defended himself in Washington all those years ago when summoned by a Senate committee was genius .

I just think he enjoys pyssing off the Labour Party to be honest and would probably do and say almost anything to accomplish that .

https://twitter.com/georgegalloway/status/1366063132402147329?lang=en

I’m voting #Tory with my first vote for the incumbent MSP. And then for myself and
@doonhamer1963
 and
@Jamie_Blackett
 on the list. Now THAT is
@Alliance4Unity
3:30 AM · Mar 1, 2021

[SydneyRover]

As many have said George is a great orator and can put a good debate together , the way he defended himself in Washington all those years ago when summoned by a Senate committee was genius .

I just think he enjoys pyssing off the Labour Party to be honest and would probably do and say almost anything to accomplish that .

Here is the great orator himself kissing the feet of saddam

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIy_GmvUElE

[ncRover]

Far-right and far-left overlap

- Mistrust of mainstream media
- Anti-globalist
- Anti-intervention in foreign affairs / wars
- Us versus “the elites”
- Prone to conspiracies

Is this you being against both far left/right, and those 5 "overlaps"? Would I be correct to infer that you are for centerists, and for the opposite of the 5 "overlaps"?

Not necessarily, it’s important to keep an open mind about things.

And not necessarily all of them at the same time to the nth degree, like someone on the far-right or far-left might be.

Maybe there could be a case made for anti-semitism as both a far left and far right quality too.

Another example. Distrust of big-pharma would have been a classic old school left trait, now the fringes of the right reflexively do.

That’s just some patterns I’ve noticed, if you can dispute them?

Galloway is also a Tucker Carlson fan.

Another example - Wanting a one-state Israel / Palestine resolution.

[roverstillidie91]

Sydney. This trawling through the archives makes for really interesting reading, a bit creepy mind, but interesting.
If anyone was in any doubt that Starmer has lost all credibility over the last four years, they won’t be now.
Was that your intention?

As I have said, I don't have to think too much about what I would have said, but you know what is said about lack of truth and memory. As for creepy, is there something in your back catalogue?

If you can find where I have dubbed starmer as perfect you may have to do a bit of trawling yourself, if you look at those dishing it out on starmer they mostly don't have a position themselves, dd, selby, rabble ........ etc.

Starmer is the best man to defeat the tories imho.

Baldrick could defeat the Tories at the next election. Without any help from a dachshund named Colin.

You reckon Labour would win the next Election with Corbyn as leader?

A man who wants Ukraine to lay down its weapons and give Putin the territory he has stolen.

A man who lost one election against a PM who literally couldn't get her mouth to work when put under pressure on the Election campaign trail.

Personally, as a Labour party member, I could not vote for a Corbyn- Milne-McCluskey-Murray controlled Labour party, given the current threat to Europe from Putin.

I don't personally believe Labour will win the forthcoming election obviously if I am proved wrong then thats fair enough.

However, as much as people don't like Jeremy Corbyn don't know what he has supposed to have done and the claims substantiated?

His policies weren't to the liking of the MSM and establishment which is why he was smeared so much (wrongly which has been proven).

Also he appealed more to the younger generation and his commitment to nationalizing all the public services which in my view should be in public hands anyway.

Keir Starmer doesn't appeal to the younger generation that's the difference.

[Herbert Anchovy]

Way, way, way back in the midsts of time I was actively involved with the left of the Labour Party and all it stood for particularly Michael Foot and Tony Benn. It took me a few years to arrive at some (at the time) uncomfortable and painful conclusions though:

A) The left rarely give consideration to how much their policies will cost the country
B) Many on the left are more concerned with minority, selective ‘pet policies’ than an overall strategy of running a country.
C) In reality, many left wingers who I knew didn’t truthfully want Labour in power. They were far more comfortable with the politics of radicalism and protest than responsibility.

During the Miners strike of 84/85 I remember going along to events and sharing stories about what was going on in the northern mining communities. I was shocked by how many people in the south didn’t really care. Most Tory voters felt that the Miners had it coming all along and deserved all that Thatcher was dishing out to them. Those on the left of Labour, who should have been natural allies of the miners, were more concerned with how to use the situation to beat Thatcher than they were with supporting the Miners.

It was at this point that I began to see the left for what it really was. Lots of good people, but many with priorities at odds with mine. So in my opinion, if Labour wants power then it has no choice at all but to stick with a left of centre approach.

[wilts rover]

BST is displaying the same obsequious ways to the establishment as this Sky reporter interviewing Gorgeous George. Worth watching, hilarious! 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7p7CAyxHgg

I wonder what Galloway would think if a guest on his tv shows answered his questions like that? And then got the mob in the room to close the interview (and summary) down?

Reminds me of Johnson. And populists everywhere.

As to whether or not he will be a good MP for Rochdale? Search Hansard. As MP for Bethnal Green and then Bradford he never held a local surgery, hardly ever appeared in Parliament and certainly never spoke unless it was on a foreign policy issue.

[SydneyRover]

tyke

''The delve in to the archives game on forums or even in real life has been done to death to try and discredit people who don't agree with them .

It's a favourite pastime of the liberal class so it comes as no surprise that you are playing this game other than engage in proper debate .

It's designed to shut your opponent up or keep the debate narrow when the debate takes them to uncomfortable places that go against their beliefs''

It's a bit of a weird world you inhabit tyke, you spend a lot of your forum life (as we all do) looking back to what politicians say and have done and said and picking them up and yet you don't want the same standard for yourself and maybe others.

And add a conspiracy theory to boot

[tyke1962]

from the parrot 4/4/2020

''IMO Starmer is the best choice for leader of the Labour Party.
He speaks well and will probably give them a chance at the next GE''

I think the consensus was that Keith could be the acceptable face of a left leaning Labour Party Sydney in a way that Corbyn couldn't be given his history .

He certainly got the backing of the left during the leadership election on that ticket .

There wasn't anything wrong with Corbyn's policies , the problem was his history , Keith had none of that baggage .

That's not quite how it's played out hence my view has changed , how simple does it have to be Syd ? .

The delve in to the archives game on forums or even in real life has been done to death to try and discredit people who don't agree with them .

It's a favourite pastime of the liberal class so it comes as no surprise that you are playing this game other than engage in proper debate .

It's designed to shut your opponent up or keep the debate narrow when the debate takes them to uncomfortable places that go against their beliefs .

Keep em coming Syd .

Aye. Corbyn had all the right domestic policies. He was just never, ever going to get elected. Fancy that eh?

And that's before you get started on his foreign policies, where he and his cronies did and still do bend over backwards to not criticise Putin.

Didn't I once read on here that you went out and canvassed for the Labour Party in the two elections Corbyn fought Billy ?

I could be wrong on that and I'm sure you'll correct me if I was .

[SydneyRover]

''Didn't I once read on here that you went out and canvassed for the Labour Party in the two elections Corbyn fought Billy ?''

no looking back tyke

[tyke1962]

Way, way, way back in the midsts of time I was actively involved with the left of the Labour Party and all it stood for particularly Michael Foot and Tony Benn. It took me a few years to arrive at some (at the time) uncomfortable and painful conclusions though:

A) The left rarely give consideration to how much their policies will cost the country
B) Many on the left are more concerned with minority, selective ‘pet policies’ than an overall strategy of running a country.
C) In reality, many left wingers who I knew didn’t truthfully want Labour in power. They were far more comfortable with the politics of radicalism and protest than responsibility.

During the Miners strike of 84/85 I remember going along to events and sharing stories about what was going on in the northern mining communities. I was shocked by how many people in the south didn’t really care. Most Tory voters felt that the Miners had it coming all along and deserved all that Thatcher was dishing out to them. Those on the left of Labour, who should have been natural allies of the miners, were more concerned with how to use the situation to beat Thatcher than they were with supporting the Miners.

It was at this point that I began to see the left for what it really was. Lots of good people, but many with priorities at odds with mine. So in my opinion, if Labour wants power then it has no choice at all but to stick with a left of centre approach.

I also think you have to factor in that Thatcher did make a significant number of working class people better off , it just boiled down to where you lived in the country or what jobs you did .

Given the times and less communication and media outlets this is something that wasn't apparent in mining and other heavy industrial communities .

We thought ALL the working class were getting hammered by Thatcher and that wasn't the case .

The classic example is perhaps Essex Man who isn't the caricature he's often painted , he really does exist , they loved Thatcher , they loved the entrepreneurial narrative , they bought their council house for a pittance and saw it increase in value to astronomical levels .

The country was already changing even before the strike began , Scargill was a reminder of the 70's , winter of discontent , power cuts and three day weeks , the NUM was capable of bringing governments down and many people in this country didn't much care for it especially those who were doing alright .

The defeat of the NUM in my opinion just completed the transformation in the country rather than it's beginning .

I could never understand at the time  how the woman kept winning with increased majorities with the carnage she'd caused , it's only as I've got older that I  realised just how possibly insular we probably were although that's just down to the times of the day .

Saying that there were some clues during the strike which I never picked up on , it wasn't just Tory voters who quite liked the NUM getting a kicking , there were plenty of people outside of the industry in my circle who didn't much care for the legitimacy of the strike and caused confrontations at that time .

It never was as solid even in mining communities as it's often portrayed today , there were many who did their duty simply because if they hadn't they knew their lives would be made intolerable .

Scargill wasn't as popular as many would have you believe .

That's just my assessment of that time but it could of course be different to how others saw it .

My personal fear at that time wasn't so much the industry closing down , my concern was what came after ? , what did the future offer ?

[Colin C No.3]

Sydney. This trawling through the archives makes for really interesting reading, a bit creepy mind, but interesting.
If anyone was in any doubt that Starmer has lost all credibility over the last four years, they won’t be now.
Was that your intention?

As I have said, I don't have to think too much about what I would have said, but you know what is said about lack of truth and memory. As for creepy, is there something in your back catalogue?

If you can find where I have dubbed starmer as perfect you may have to do a bit of trawling yourself, if you look at those dishing it out on starmer they mostly don't have a position themselves, dd, selby, rabble ........ etc.

Starmer is the best man to defeat the tories imho.

Baldrick could defeat the Tories at the next election. Without any help from a dachshund named Colin.

You reckon Labour would win the next Election with Corbyn as leader?

A man who wants Ukraine to lay down its weapons and give Putin the territory he has stolen.

A man who lost one election against a PM who literally couldn't get her mouth to work when put under pressure on the Election campaign trail.

Personally, as a Labour party member, I could not vote for a Corbyn- Milne-McCluskey-Murray controlled Labour party, given the current threat to Europe from Putin.

I don't personally believe Labour will win the forthcoming election obviously if I am proved wrong then thats fair enough.

However, as much as people don't like Jeremy Corbyn don't know what he has supposed to have done and the claims substantiated?

His policies weren't to the liking of the MSM and establishment which is why he was smeared so much (wrongly which has been proven).

Also he appealed more to the younger generation and his commitment to nationalizing all the public services which in my view should be in public hands anyway.

Keir Starmer doesn't appeal to the younger generation that's the difference.

Which planet have you just arrived from?

[SydneyRover]

SS.

I wonder where Galloway got his inspiration for the "two cheeks of the same backside" quip from?

https://twitter.com/antelava/status/1131838636591386626

There he is. Proud socialist. Supporter of the oppressed Muslims. Man of the people. With a white supremacist far right ex-investment banker and author of "Destroying the Great Satan: The Rise of Islamic Facism". (sic)

BST, Galloway stands up, rightly or wrongly, for Muslims. He's also pledged to try and help Rochdale FC. Whether he does or not remains to be seen.

What does Starmer stand up for? What are his policies on anything? What is he going to do differently to the current motley crew?

Unfortunately Steve he's very choosy which muslims he stands up for aye?

The Uyghur Muslims must be feeling a bit miffed.

NO CONCENTRATION CAMPS IN CHINA - Their muslim population is growing!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMwqYRLgjs8&t=1s

[Bristol Red Rover]

Whilst we watch George have a few fun months wiping the floor with Starmer, Sunak and their gangs, there's a bigger snowball rolling down the hill. Andrew Feinstein who is going to be running against Starmer in the Holborn, St Pancras ward.

Starmer won't like that, it upsets his need for control. He could, at best for him, be vulnerable to serious damaging gaffs under that pressure/anxiety, at worst, lose his seat.

[SydneyRover]

Whilst we watch George have a few fun months wiping the floor with Starmer, Sunak and their gangs, there's a bigger snowball rolling down the hill. Andrew Feinstein who is going to be running against Starmer in the Holborn, St Pancras ward.

Starmer won't like that, it upsets his need for control. He could, at best for him, be vulnerable to serious damaging gaffs under that pressure/anxiety, at worst, lose his seat.

Please tell me you want 5 more years of tory rule

[Bristol Red Rover]

I don't want ANY party in control who are continuing feeding the very rich. That directly harms the majority,  and also the quality of life in every way. The wealth gap that is growing is making us all worse off.

Labour, Liberals, Tories are all the same. They support the establishment, including the very rich. Voting for any of those is a turkey voting for Christmas.

[SydneyRover]

I don't want ANY party in control who are continuing feeding the very rich. That directly harms the majority,  and also the quality of life in every way. The wealth gap that is growing is making us all worse off.

Labour, Liberals, Tories are all the same. They support the establishment, including the very rich. Voting for any of those is a turkey voting for Christmas.

Next you'll be telling me your radical politics is limited to a 4 tier football off topic forum. If you were thinking of replacing Starmer and the labour party and have a grand plan to defeat the tories you should have spoken up a bit earlier, I think you've left your run a little late.