Predicting the election result.

[IDM]

32 of the 40 promised new hospitals have been built. The promise was to have all 40 completed between 2021 and 2030.

If you think Starmer says nothing but the truth then your trust in him is greater than probably half of the members of the party he leads.

No they haven’t..

And no, I don’t trust any politician absolutely.  There will always be things they can’t deliver, honestly or not..

[Bentley Bullet]

32 of the 40 promised new hospitals have been built. The promise was to have all 40 completed between 2021 and 2030.

If you think Starmer says nothing but the truth then your trust in him is greater than probably half of the members of the party he leads.

When someone promises 40 NEW hospitals do you think it acceptable to include renovations or new wings as a completely NEW hospital?

No, I don't think it is acceptable to deceive the public, no matter what party it is.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

Labour will set out its manifesto and go about trying to implement it, as all Governments do.

People can then assess whether they think it good or bad in an election in 5 years time. If Labour turn out to have deceived people, the people can vote for change.

The Brexit vote was won on a bed of straight out lies and deception about how it would be implemented and what the consequences would be. How do we hold people responsible for that, now the Liar In Chief has moved on to a 100k per month job peddling lies in the papers. Which of course is how he started.

Political parties could make that point and make it a manifesto commitment to massively change it?  Strangely, it appears nobody is planning to do that, perhaps because it's not a popular vote winner?  We are coming up to 10 years on now, I don't see why there shouldn't be a discussion about Brexit held in the next few years.

The manifestos are key for me, Labour have said a lot of the right things but I still have a bit of concern that they'll tax me to high heaven, my biggest concern is around talk of capping pension tax allowance.

[i_ateallthepies]

32 of the 40 promised new hospitals have been built. The promise was to have all 40 completed between 2021 and 2030.

If you think Starmer says nothing but the truth then your trust in him is greater than probably half of the members of the party he leads.

According to the NAO, 11 are judged new hospitals, while 20 meet other elements of DHSC’s definition.  One project in Dorset does not meet the definition.

32 of the 40 promised new hospitals have been built. The promise was to have all 40 completed between 2021 and 2030.

If you think Starmer says nothing but the truth then your trust in him is greater than probably half of the members of the party he leads.

When someone promises 40 NEW hospitals do you think it acceptable to include renovations or new wings as a completely NEW hospital?

No, I don't think it is acceptable to deceive the public, no matter what party it is.

Yet here you are creating your own untruth to defend someone known to be a persistent liar.

[Bentley Bullet]

32 of the 40 promised new hospitals have been built. The promise was to have all 40 completed between 2021 and 2030.

If you think Starmer says nothing but the truth then your trust in him is greater than probably half of the members of the party he leads.

According to the NAO, 11 are judged new hospitals, while 20 meet other elements of DHSC’s definition.  One project in Dorset does not meet the definition.

32 of the 40 promised new hospitals have been built. The promise was to have all 40 completed between 2021 and 2030.

If you think Starmer says nothing but the truth then your trust in him is greater than probably half of the members of the party he leads.

When someone promises 40 NEW hospitals do you think it acceptable to include renovations or new wings as a completely NEW hospital?

No, I don't think it is acceptable to deceive the public, no matter what party it is.

Yet here you are creating your own untruth to defend someone known to be a persistent liar.

What?

[bpoolrover]

The trouble with the Referendum result ( apart from the obvious) was that it was far too close and I'm surprised Cameron didn't say " for such a massive move to be carried out we will require a Voting majority of at least 66 % before we change the status quo"

I'm even MORE surprised that the Govt havent legislated for that to try and ensure B***** cannot be undone with a 52 rejoin 48 stay out vote

I have been sick of being called a remoaner by the Media for wanting another vote and I think it perfectly democratic to do so given that Farage made it clear that should the vote be close , even 51 % Remain and 49 % that he would continue to campaign until Leave won

If it's good enough for a 7 times failed MP it's good enough for me

lets say the result was remain then a year later they had another vote as it was close and it changed to leave can you honestly say that would be acceptable?

[ChrisBx]

32 of the 40 promised new hospitals have been built. The promise was to have all 40 completed between 2021 and 2030.

Can you list these new hospitals?

[Herbert Anchovy]

Labour will set out its manifesto and go about trying to implement it, as all Governments do.

People can then assess whether they think it good or bad in an election in 5 years time. If Labour turn out to have deceived people, the people can vote for change.

The Brexit vote was won on a bed of straight out lies and deception about how it would be implemented and what the consequences would be. How do we hold people responsible for that, now the Liar In Chief has moved on to a 100k per month job peddling lies in the papers. Which of course is how he started.

Political parties could make that point and make it a manifesto commitment to massively change it?  Strangely, it appears nobody is planning to do that, perhaps because it's not a popular vote winner?  We are coming up to 10 years on now, I don't see why there shouldn't be a discussion about Brexit held in the next few years.

The manifestos are key for me, Labour have said a lot of the right things but I still have a bit of concern that they'll tax me to high heaven, my biggest concern is around talk of capping pension tax allowance.

Personally, I wouldn't mind paying higher taxes as long as there's a clear return in these taxes for the nation. Right now, I am taxed quite a bit but have no idea at all where that money is being used as public services are a shambles.

[BillyStubbsTears]

If you want to know why we are paying the highest tax since the War for services that are falling apart, start here.

https://x.com/BenChu_/status/1797249151983317033

The income of workers has barely risen in 14 years under this lot. Absolutely unprecedented since the time of the Napoleonic Wars.

[wilts rover]

32 of the 40 promised new hospitals have been built. The promise was to have all 40 completed between 2021 and 2030.

If you think Starmer says nothing but the truth then your trust in him is greater than probably half of the members of the party he leads.

According to the NAO, 11 are judged new hospitals, while 20 meet other elements of DHSC’s definition.  One project in Dorset does not meet the definition.

32 of the 40 promised new hospitals have been built. The promise was to have all 40 completed between 2021 and 2030.

If you think Starmer says nothing but the truth then your trust in him is greater than probably half of the members of the party he leads.

When someone promises 40 NEW hospitals do you think it acceptable to include renovations or new wings as a completely NEW hospital?

No, I don't think it is acceptable to deceive the public, no matter what party it is.

Yet here you are creating your own untruth to defend someone known to be a persistent liar.

What?

In 2019 Johnson promised there would be 40 new hospitals by 2030.

In 2020 Sunak changed the definition of a 'new' hospital to incude renovation of an old one.

In August 2023 the NAO reported that at best 32 of the 'new' hospitals would be completed by 2030.

In November 2023 the PAC reported even this was unlikely to happen.

As of January 2024 no 'new' hospital had been completed.

https://lowdownnhs.info/analysis/new-hospitals-the-chaos-continues/

What I believe pies is saying, and he can correct me if I am wrong, is that in the same thread you have said you hate liars whilst posting a known and proven lie.

[ChrisBx]

Today will be a busy day of polls. The first is a poll of GB News viewers:

May 30th-31st

LAB: 46% (+7)
CON: 25% (-3)
REF: 18% (-2)
LDEM: 6% (-)
GRN: 2% (-1)

If the Tories are losing these voters to Labour, then their outlook really isn't positive.

[ChrisBx]

And now for Redfield & Wilton who used a sample size of c.10,000:

31/5 - 2/6:

Labour 46% (–)
Conservative 20% (-3)
Reform 14% (+1)
Lib Dem 10% (+1)
Green 5% (–)
SNP 2% (-1)
Other 2% (-1)

[ChrisBx]

YouGov projection:

Labour: 422 (+220 from GE2019)
Conservative: 140 (-225)
Lib Dem: 48 (+37)
SNP: 17 (-31)
Green: 2 (+1)
PC: 2 (-2)
Reform UK: 0 (=)

[ncRover]

Oh dear… maybe the Faiza Shaheen news hasn’t filtered through the full population yet?

[drfchound]

Oh dear… maybe the Faiza Shaheen news hasn’t filtered through the full population yet?

Do you know what mate, I bet that isn’t far from the truth.
The general public at large probably will not have heard of her and have no knowledge of the current situation with her.

[scawsby steve]

Let's be honest, Keith doesn't really have to do anything now. The next few weeks will be a cakewalk for him.

It's when he gets in that the problems will begin. I don't envy him.

[ravenrover]

32 of the 40 promised new hospitals have been built. The promise was to have all 40 completed between 2021 and 2030.

If you think Starmer says nothing but the truth then your trust in him is greater than probably half of the members of the party he leads.

When someone promises 40 NEW hospitals do you think it acceptable to include renovations or new wings as a completely NEW hospital?

No, I don't think it is acceptable to deceive the public, no matter what party it is.

Strange way of saying yes or no but I'll take it as a no 32 New hospitals haven't been built

[Bentley Bullet]

I meant to say that 32 of the 40 promised new hospitals SHOULD have been built (by 2030). The plan was to have all 40 completed between 2021 and 2030.

[Iberian Red]

Today will be a busy day of polls. The first is a poll of GB News viewers:

May 30th-31st

LAB: 46% (+7)
CON: 25% (-3)
REF: 18% (-2)
LDEM: 6% (-)
GRN: 2% (-1)

If the Tories are losing these voters to Labour, then their outlook really isn't positive.

Chris bx.
I think that survey should be dismissed immediately.
There's only one monster that watches GBnews,unfortunately it has a couple of hundred different heads.

[IDM]

I meant to say that 32 of the 40 promised new hospitals SHOULD have been built (by 2030). The plan was to have all 40 completed between 2021 and 2030.

But they are not all “new” hospitals are they.?

[Bristol Red Rover]

I predict the establishment will end up with around 550 to 600 seats, so as ever, no change on the swingometer there. But at least the people had their month of intense debate and distractions, and a special day out feeling they matter.

[Bentley Bullet]

I meant to say that 32 of the 40 promised new hospitals SHOULD have been built (by 2030). The plan was to have all 40 completed between 2021 and 2030.

But they are not all “new” hospitals are they.?

They classed extensions and refurbishments as new builds along with completely new hospitals built on new or current sites.

[ravenrover]

I meant to say that 32 of the 40 promised new hospitals SHOULD have been built (by 2030). The plan was to have all 40 completed between 2021 and 2030.

And Rich-ie still insisting 40 NEW hospitals to be built by 2030
Does that mean if they are not and Labour win the election that it will be their fault?

[wilts rover]

I meant to say that 32 of the 40 promised new hospitals SHOULD have been built (by 2030). The plan was to have all 40 completed between 2021 and 2030.

But they are not all “new” hospitals are they.?

They classed extensions and refurbishments as new builds along with completely new hospitals built on new or current sites.

Not when Johnson first announced them in 2019 they weren't. He announced he would build 40 brand new hospitals.

As you appear to have missed my post #159 above here it is again:

In 2019 Johnson promised there would be 40 new hospitals by 2030.

In 2020 Sunak changed the definition of a 'new' hospital to incude renovation of an old one.

In August 2023 the NAO reported that at best 32 of the 'new' hospitals would be completed by 2030.

In November 2023 the PAC reported even this was unlikely to happen.

As of January 2024 no 'new' hospital had been completed.

https://lowdownnhs.info/analysis/new-hospitals-the-chaos-continues/

What I believe pies is saying, and he can correct me if I am wrong, is that in the same thread you have said you hate liars whilst posting a known and proven lie.

[danumdon]

I predict the establishment will end up with around 550 to 600 seats, so as ever, no change on the swingometer there. But at least the people had their month of intense debate and distractions, and a special day out feeling they matter.

Unfortunately this will be the defining message we will all be able to take from this election when its done and dusted.

Will be intriguing to see how the two main parties can make their manifestoes read differently when in effect they will be delivering something very much similar as to make any difference to the electorate at large.

[Bentley Bullet]

I meant to say that 32 of the 40 promised new hospitals SHOULD have been built (by 2030). The plan was to have all 40 completed between 2021 and 2030.

And Rich-ie still insisting 40 NEW hospitals to be built by 2030
Does that mean if they are not and Labour win the election that it will be their fault?

No, on the contrary, Labour will blame the Tories!

[Donnywolf]

AND from 3 posts above (173) Liar Johnson also promised Care package was ready to hit the ground running in his inaugural Lie Speech outside Number 10 and for good measure said there were no Parties in Downing Street but if there were " they all followed the Rules of the day "

[Sprotyrover]

AND from 3 posts above (173) Liar Johnson also promised Care package was ready to hit the ground running in his inaugural Lie Speech outside Number 10 and for good measure said there were no Parties in Downing Street but if there were " they all followed the Rules of the day "

Tony Blair was the biggest liar, he and Mandelson were true ‘Spin’ Doctors.

[SydneyRover]

I wonder if one was offered 40 new cars as part of a business deal and you received a bunch of old cars some with 1 new tyre or a nodding dog on the back shelf others with a cheap respray one would consider it a good deal?

[IDM]

I meant to say that 32 of the 40 promised new hospitals SHOULD have been built (by 2030). The plan was to have all 40 completed between 2021 and 2030.

But they are not all “new” hospitals are they.?

They classed extensions and refurbishments as new builds along with completely new hospitals built on new or current sites.

so it was b*llocks then.?