Worryingly bad

[Lesonthewest]

The 'negativity, & 'ridicoulous'' words that have been used time & time again, that are hopelessly untrue.

[dickos1]

Start of a new season played 3 games won 2, scored 7 goals conceded 4,
Yet we’re seeing the same old folk with the same old negativity.
It’s not surprising in the slightest,

[McCammon egg n chips]

Quite a lot of revisionism saying you called for Schofield to go! As I remember it lurking from afar, you defended him in every thread right until the death.

Anyhow - this season I haven't seen the "usual suspects" with their negativity. Only BST throwing toys out the pram after one bad half of football.

99% of rovers fans are not overly concerned right now.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Quite a lot of revisionism saying you called for Schofield to go! As I remember it lurking from afar, you defended him in every thread right until the death.

Anyhow - this season I haven't seen the "usual suspects" with their negativity. Only BST throwing toys out the pram after one bad half of football.

99% of rovers fans are not overly concerned right now.

And this is why it's impossible to have a sensible discussion in here.

I thought Saturday's performance was a poor one. I've explained why in detail, and why the specific cause of the poor performance was a worry. I DIDN'T even hint at thinking that meant the season was going to be a disaster. And in some folks minds that gets processing into "doom and gloom", "negativity" and "throwing toys out of the pram". There's a child-like sensitivity among some people to ANY criticism.

[drfchound]

Quite a lot of revisionism saying you called for Schofield to go! As I remember it lurking from afar, you defended him in every thread right until the death.

Anyhow - this season I haven't seen the "usual suspects" with their negativity. Only BST throwing toys out the pram after one bad half of football.

99% of rovers fans are not overly concerned right now.

And this is why it's impossible to have a sensible discussion in here.

I thought Saturday's performance was a poor one. I've explained why in detail, and why the specific cause of the poor performance was a worry. I DIDN'T even hint at thinking that meant the season was going to be a disaster. And in some folks minds that gets processing into "doom and gloom", "negativity" and "throwing toys out of the pram". There's a child-like sensitivity among some people to ANY criticism.

 

[McCammon egg n chips]

BST - might be worth buying a mirror, because it looks like you've got a child-like sensitivity to ANY criticism.

Where's your sense of perspective?

Characterising Saturday as "worryingly bad" and comparing it to performances in the first half of last season is clearly over the top. Hence why you've been widely panned on here.

[BillyStubbsTears]

BST - might be worth buying a mirror, because it looks like you've got a child-like sensitivity to ANY criticism.

Where's your sense of perspective?

Characterising Saturday as "worryingly bad" and comparing it to performances in the first half of last season is clearly over the top. Hence why you've been widely panned on here.

My point, which I've now explained half a dozen times is that the weakness on Saturday was exactly the same as the weakness we had in the first half of last season. In what way is that "clearly over the top"?

[pib]

Might be the words "worryingly bad", "seriously cack" and "fall apart".

[McCammon egg n chips]

Genuinely - were you so concerned at half time on Saturday? Did you think we were back to first half of last season performances at half time?

[BillyStubbsTears]

For the record, I only saw the last ten minutes of the first half. We were clearly second best in that spell, and the second half continued in that vein. We were comfortably broken up, and we looked vulnerable when they attacked.

I'll say it again for clarity. My opinion is that we were unable to cope with an aggressive press. That's precisely the problem we had last season up until Craig slotted in and that is why it was a worry. As I said (and the pile on folk have ignored) Kelly showed some promise at beating the press in his cameo, and my feeling is that we will need him, or someone else better than Broadbent to step up if we are going to be serious top end material.

Shouldn't need saying, but, y'know...this place. I'd be absolutely delighted if Broadbent becomes the Whiteman standard player that McCann has said he sees.

PS. The reason I missed the first 35 minutes is that the Rovers website appears to have deleted my account, which was working a couple of days before. I'll admit, spending the thick end of an hour figuring out what had happened, before deciding to set up a new account didn't help my mood. If I missed 35 minutes of Copacabana football, then I understand why folk got wound up about my criticisms of what I did see.

[drfchound]

Keep going.

[les@donr]

One defeat doesn’t mean the we are suddenly a poor team. We need to keep things in perspective. GM has built a great squad and is more than capable of getting us promoted.

[danumdon]

What did that famous ex manager of ours once say,

"I don't get too high with the highs or too low with the lows"

About the sharpest thing he ever did say!

[scawsby steve]

OK, guys, I'll try and put a bit of perspective on things. I genuinely think there are far more positives than negatives at the moment.

The positives are an owner who is now digging deep into his pockets, a first class manager at this level, and a squad with a wealth of attacking talent, particularly on the wings.

The negatives for me are that the defensive problems of the last few seasons still don't seem to have been fully addressed. I rate Newport as a very mediocre League 2 team, yet they opened us up with ease, even in that first half.

I think we'll beat Morecambe with ease on Saturday; but I'm a bit concerned about Port Vale. They've signed some very good players, and Vale Park is a bogey ground of ours. If we defend badly there, we could get another pumping, for the 2nd away game on the trot.

That would concern me.

[Sven Vath]

OK, guys, I'll try and put a bit of perspective on things. I genuinely think there are far more positives than negatives at the moment.

The positives are an owner who is now digging deep into his pockets, a first class manager at this level, and a squad with a wealth of attacking talent, particularly on the wings.

The negatives for me are that the defensive problems of the last few seasons still don't seem to have been fully addressed. I rate Newport as a very mediocre League 2 team, yet they opened us up with ease, even in that first half.

I think we'll beat Morecambe with ease on Saturday; but I'm a bit concerned about Port Vale. They've signed some very good players, and Vale Park is a bogey ground of ours. If we defend badly there, we could get another pumping, for the 2nd away game on the trot.

That would concern me.

Do people really believe there are negatives at this moment in  time?

[dickos1]

OK, guys, I'll try and put a bit of perspective on things. I genuinely think there are far more positives than negatives at the moment.

The positives are an owner who is now digging deep into his pockets, a first class manager at this level, and a squad with a wealth of attacking talent, particularly on the wings.

The negatives for me are that the defensive problems of the last few seasons still don't seem to have been fully addressed. I rate Newport as a very mediocre League 2 team, yet they opened us up with ease, even in that first half.

I think we'll beat Morecambe with ease on Saturday; but I'm a bit concerned about Port Vale. They've signed some very good players, and Vale Park is a bogey ground of ours. If we defend badly there, we could get another pumping, for the 2nd away game on the trot.

That would concern me.

Do people really believe there are negatives at this moment in  time?

They certainly do, crazy ain’t it

[Lesonthewest]

Start of a new season played 3 games won 2, scored 7 goals conceded 4,
Yet we’re seeing the same old folk with the same old negativity.
It’s not surprising in the slightest,

Nope, it's about having an opinion game to game, wether it be praise or critisism. Not negativity.

[Lesonthewest]

OK, guys, I'll try and put a bit of perspective on things. I genuinely think there are far more positives than negatives at the moment.

The positives are an owner who is now digging deep into his pockets, a first class manager at this level, and a squad with a wealth of attacking talent, particularly on the wings.

The negatives for me are that the defensive problems of the last few seasons still don't seem to have been fully addressed. I rate Newport as a very mediocre League 2 team, yet they opened us up with ease, even in that first half.

I think we'll beat Morecambe with ease on Saturday; but I'm a bit concerned about Port Vale. They've signed some very good players, and Vale Park is a bogey ground of ours. If we defend badly there, we could get another pumping, for the 2nd away game on the trot.

That would concern me.

Do people really believe there are negatives at this moment in  time?

They certainly do, crazy ain’t it

Negativity absolutely not, concerns over the most recent performance? yes. The same concerns Grant commented on in his interview. Weird that isn't it.

[StocksArmy]

The performance wasn’t as bad as people are making out. Defensively traits of last season crept in but, we had enough opportunities to take something from the game. Ironside in particular should have had 2 and Clifton on another day could have got a couple. We lost that bit of an edge off the ball that has recently made us successful and have conceded 3 times because of it. You have to sit back sometimes and think… how many times this season will we concede 3 goals in 1 half of football. There won’t be many.

[dickos1]

OK, guys, I'll try and put a bit of perspective on things. I genuinely think there are far more positives than negatives at the moment.

The positives are an owner who is now digging deep into his pockets, a first class manager at this level, and a squad with a wealth of attacking talent, particularly on the wings.

The negatives for me are that the defensive problems of the last few seasons still don't seem to have been fully addressed. I rate Newport as a very mediocre League 2 team, yet they opened us up with ease, even in that first half.

I think we'll beat Morecambe with ease on Saturday; but I'm a bit concerned about Port Vale. They've signed some very good players, and Vale Park is a bogey ground of ours. If we defend badly there, we could get another pumping, for the 2nd away game on the trot.

That would concern me.

Do people really believe there are negatives at this moment in  time?

They certainly do, crazy ain’t it

Negativity absolutely not, concerns over the most recent performance? yes. The same concerns Grant commented on in his interview. Weird that isn't it.

I didn’t hear grant come out and suggest the signings he’s made aren’t as good as the players he had last season, I didn’t hear him saying it was a performance like the first half of last season, I didn’t hear him say it was worryingly bad or cack.

But yes ok, grant said the same as all the negativity on here

[colincramb]

OK, guys, I'll try and put a bit of perspective on things. I genuinely think there are far more positives than negatives at the moment.

The positives are an owner who is now digging deep into his pockets, a first class manager at this level, and a squad with a wealth of attacking talent, particularly on the wings.

The negatives for me are that the defensive problems of the last few seasons still don't seem to have been fully addressed. I rate Newport as a very mediocre League 2 team, yet they opened us up with ease, even in that first half.

I think we'll beat Morecambe with ease on Saturday; but I'm a bit concerned about Port Vale. They've signed some very good players, and Vale Park is a bogey ground of ours. If we defend badly there, we could get another pumping, for the 2nd away game on the trot.

That would concern me.

Do people really believe there are negatives at this moment in  time?

They certainly do, crazy ain’t it

Negativity absolutely not, concerns over the most recent performance? yes. The same concerns Grant commented on in his interview. Weird that isn't it.

I didn’t hear grant come out and suggest the signings he’s made aren’t as good as the players he had last season, I didn’t hear him saying it was a performance like the first half of last season, I didn’t hear him say it was worryingly bad or cack.

But yes ok, grant said the same as all the negativity on here

Jesus wept dickos, have a day off will you. Yes, we get it, you like to support the club. But you can still call it for what it is. And what Saturday was, was awful for the most part. Whether it was a one off, we will see but what I can guarantee is that nobody on this forum wants to see this manager and squad fail. That doesn’t mean though that individual performances and areas of concern game to game can’t be pointed out with their own opinions.

[Lesonthewest]

OK, guys, I'll try and put a bit of perspective on things. I genuinely think there are far more positives than negatives at the moment.

The positives are an owner who is now digging deep into his pockets, a first class manager at this level, and a squad with a wealth of attacking talent, particularly on the wings.

The negatives for me are that the defensive problems of the last few seasons still don't seem to have been fully addressed. I rate Newport as a very mediocre League 2 team, yet they opened us up with ease, even in that first half.

I think we'll beat Morecambe with ease on Saturday; but I'm a bit concerned about Port Vale. They've signed some very good players, and Vale Park is a bogey ground of ours. If we defend badly there, we could get another pumping, for the 2nd away game on the trot.

That would concern me.

Do people really believe there are negatives at this moment in  time?

They certainly do, crazy ain’t it

Negativity absolutely not, concerns over the most recent performance? yes. The same concerns Grant commented on in his interview. Weird that isn't it.

I didn’t hear grant come out and suggest the signings he’s made aren’t as good as the players he had last season, I didn’t hear him saying it was a performance like the first half of last season, I didn’t hear him say it was worryingly bad or cack.

But yes ok, grant said the same as all the negativity on here

No he said 'concerning', & he was bang on, that 2nd half was, not negative, just truthfull.

[dickos1]

OK, guys, I'll try and put a bit of perspective on things. I genuinely think there are far more positives than negatives at the moment.

The positives are an owner who is now digging deep into his pockets, a first class manager at this level, and a squad with a wealth of attacking talent, particularly on the wings.

The negatives for me are that the defensive problems of the last few seasons still don't seem to have been fully addressed. I rate Newport as a very mediocre League 2 team, yet they opened us up with ease, even in that first half.

I think we'll beat Morecambe with ease on Saturday; but I'm a bit concerned about Port Vale. They've signed some very good players, and Vale Park is a bogey ground of ours. If we defend badly there, we could get another pumping, for the 2nd away game on the trot.

That would concern me.

Do people really believe there are negatives at this moment in  time?

They certainly do, crazy ain’t it

Negativity absolutely not, concerns over the most recent performance? yes. The same concerns Grant commented on in his interview. Weird that isn't it.

I didn’t hear grant come out and suggest the signings he’s made aren’t as good as the players he had last season, I didn’t hear him saying it was a performance like the first half of last season, I didn’t hear him say it was worryingly bad or cack.

But yes ok, grant said the same as all the negativity on here

Jesus wept dickos, have a day off will you. Yes, we get it, you like to support the club. But you can still call it for what it is. And what Saturday was, was awful for the most part. Whether it was a one off, we will see but what I can guarantee is that nobody on this forum wants to see this manager and squad fail. That doesn’t mean though that individual performances and areas of concern game to game can’t be pointed out with their own opinions.

Saturday wasn’t awful!
Have u not seen the last 3 years, the majority of that was awful.
We could easily have won on Saturday and played well in spells.

[dickos1]

OK, guys, I'll try and put a bit of perspective on things. I genuinely think there are far more positives than negatives at the moment.

The positives are an owner who is now digging deep into his pockets, a first class manager at this level, and a squad with a wealth of attacking talent, particularly on the wings.

The negatives for me are that the defensive problems of the last few seasons still don't seem to have been fully addressed. I rate Newport as a very mediocre League 2 team, yet they opened us up with ease, even in that first half.

I think we'll beat Morecambe with ease on Saturday; but I'm a bit concerned about Port Vale. They've signed some very good players, and Vale Park is a bogey ground of ours. If we defend badly there, we could get another pumping, for the 2nd away game on the trot.

That would concern me.

Do people really believe there are negatives at this moment in  time?

They certainly do, crazy ain’t it

Negativity absolutely not, concerns over the most recent performance? yes. The same concerns Grant commented on in his interview. Weird that isn't it.

I didn’t hear grant come out and suggest the signings he’s made aren’t as good as the players he had last season, I didn’t hear him saying it was a performance like the first half of last season, I didn’t hear him say it was worryingly bad or cack.

But yes ok, grant said the same as all the negativity on here

No he said 'concerning', & he was bang on, that 2nd half was, not negative, just truthfull.

He said one particular aspect of the game was concerning. Nothing else

[i_ateallthepies]

OK, guys, I'll try and put a bit of perspective on things. I genuinely think there are far more positives than negatives at the moment.

The positives are an owner who is now digging deep into his pockets, a first class manager at this level, and a squad with a wealth of attacking talent, particularly on the wings.

The negatives for me are that the defensive problems of the last few seasons still don't seem to have been fully addressed. I rate Newport as a very mediocre League 2 team, yet they opened us up with ease, even in that first half.

I think we'll beat Morecambe with ease on Saturday; but I'm a bit concerned about Port Vale. They've signed some very good players, and Vale Park is a bogey ground of ours. If we defend badly there, we could get another pumping, for the 2nd away game on the trot.

That would concern me.

Do people really believe there are negatives at this moment in  time?

They certainly do, crazy ain’t it

Negativity absolutely not, concerns over the most recent performance? yes. The same concerns Grant commented on in his interview. Weird that isn't it.

I didn’t hear grant come out and suggest the signings he’s made aren’t as good as the players he had last season, I didn’t hear him saying it was a performance like the first half of last season, I didn’t hear him say it was worryingly bad or cack.

But yes ok, grant said the same as all the negativity on here

Jesus wept dickos, have a day off will you. Yes, we get it, you like to support the club. But you can still call it for what it is. And what Saturday was, was awful for the most part. Whether it was a one off, we will see but what I can guarantee is that nobody on this forum wants to see this manager and squad fail. That doesn’t mean though that individual performances and areas of concern game to game can’t be pointed out with their own opinions.

Saturday wasn’t awful!
Have u not seen the last 3 years, the majority of that was awful.
We could easily have won on Saturday and played well in spells.

Yes, Dickos, the last three years was awful and yet for the whole three years you argued black was white against anyone who criticised it.

[Little Wolf]

Dont understand the criticism of Broadbent it was 1-1 went he went off and it went downhill pretty fast after he left the field, its his break through year and i think he will improve massively throughout the season, thought Grant took off a defensive midfielder and put on an attacking midfielder trying to get the 3 points, it backfired, hey ho, no major issues you know Grant will always go for the 3 points, never a dull moment, we have issues in certain positions as do all teams its up to Grant to sort them out and i know he will, in Grant we trust

[Pancho Regan]

OK, guys, I'll try and put a bit of perspective on things. I genuinely think there are far more positives than negatives at the moment.

The positives are an owner who is now digging deep into his pockets, a first class manager at this level, and a squad with a wealth of attacking talent, particularly on the wings.

The negatives for me are that the defensive problems of the last few seasons still don't seem to have been fully addressed. I rate Newport as a very mediocre League 2 team, yet they opened us up with ease, even in that first half.

I think we'll beat Morecambe with ease on Saturday; but I'm a bit concerned about Port Vale. They've signed some very good players, and Vale Park is a bogey ground of ours. If we defend badly there, we could get another pumping, for the 2nd away game on the trot.

That would concern me.

Do people really believe there are negatives at this moment in  time?

They certainly do, crazy ain’t it

Negativity absolutely not, concerns over the most recent performance? yes. The same concerns Grant commented on in his interview. Weird that isn't it.

I didn’t hear grant come out and suggest the signings he’s made aren’t as good as the players he had last season, I didn’t hear him saying it was a performance like the first half of last season, I didn’t hear him say it was worryingly bad or cack.

But yes ok, grant said the same as all the negativity on here

Jesus wept dickos, have a day off will you. Yes, we get it, you like to support the club. But you can still call it for what it is. And what Saturday was, was awful for the most part. Whether it was a one off, we will see but what I can guarantee is that nobody on this forum wants to see this manager and squad fail. That doesn’t mean though that individual performances and areas of concern game to game can’t be pointed out with their own opinions.

Saturday wasn’t awful!
Have u not seen the last 3 years, the majority of that was awful.
We could easily have won on Saturday and played well in spells.

Yes, Dickos, the last three years was awful and yet for the whole three years you argued black was white against anyone who criticised it.

No he didn't. He was quite willing to accept our shortcomings and take part in reasonable debate, he didn't argue that "black was white".

The main bone of contention on this thread is the OTT phraseology used by the OP, and his usual stubbornness in refusing to admit that. Much better in his eyes to throw patronising insults at those who disagree with him and having the nerve to call their reactions "child-like".

[Lesonthewest]

OK, guys, I'll try and put a bit of perspective on things. I genuinely think there are far more positives than negatives at the moment.

The positives are an owner who is now digging deep into his pockets, a first class manager at this level, and a squad with a wealth of attacking talent, particularly on the wings.

The negatives for me are that the defensive problems of the last few seasons still don't seem to have been fully addressed. I rate Newport as a very mediocre League 2 team, yet they opened us up with ease, even in that first half.

I think we'll beat Morecambe with ease on Saturday; but I'm a bit concerned about Port Vale. They've signed some very good players, and Vale Park is a bogey ground of ours. If we defend badly there, we could get another pumping, for the 2nd away game on the trot.

That would concern me.

Do people really believe there are negatives at this moment in  time?

They certainly do, crazy ain’t it

Negativity absolutely not, concerns over the most recent performance? yes. The same concerns Grant commented on in his interview. Weird that isn't it.

I didn’t hear grant come out and suggest the signings he’s made aren’t as good as the players he had last season, I didn’t hear him saying it was a performance like the first half of last season, I didn’t hear him say it was worryingly bad or cack.

But yes ok, grant said the same as all the negativity on here

No he said 'concerning', & he was bang on, that 2nd half was, not negative, just truthfull.

He said one particular aspect of the game was concerning. Nothing else

Exactly. That's what posters are commenting on, not negativity or anything else.

[BillyStubbsTears]

OK, guys, I'll try and put a bit of perspective on things. I genuinely think there are far more positives than negatives at the moment.

The positives are an owner who is now digging deep into his pockets, a first class manager at this level, and a squad with a wealth of attacking talent, particularly on the wings.

The negatives for me are that the defensive problems of the last few seasons still don't seem to have been fully addressed. I rate Newport as a very mediocre League 2 team, yet they opened us up with ease, even in that first half.

I think we'll beat Morecambe with ease on Saturday; but I'm a bit concerned about Port Vale. They've signed some very good players, and Vale Park is a bogey ground of ours. If we defend badly there, we could get another pumping, for the 2nd away game on the trot.

That would concern me.

Do people really believe there are negatives at this moment in  time?

They certainly do, crazy ain’t it

Negativity absolutely not, concerns over the most recent performance? yes. The same concerns Grant commented on in his interview. Weird that isn't it.

I didn’t hear grant come out and suggest the signings he’s made aren’t as good as the players he had last season, I didn’t hear him saying it was a performance like the first half of last season, I didn’t hear him say it was worryingly bad or cack.

But yes ok, grant said the same as all the negativity on here

No he said 'concerning', & he was bang on, that 2nd half was, not negative, just truthfull.

He said one particular aspect of the game was concerning. Nothing else

Err.

He said "We need to look at this because there's lots of areas where we can improve. We didn't get on the ball, we didn't handle the ball, we didn't pick up the seconds, they were more aggressive than us." He said, "Everything that we've worked on for 3-4 months went out the window and we looked like a team of individuals."

This is precisely the point I was making. Yet I'm being hysterical apparently, and McCann is calm and reflective.

Weird place, this is sometimes.

[BillyStubbsTears]

By the way. I've got a thesaurus here. Have a guess what the first synonym is that it lists for "concerning".